those are some straws your clutching too - although i can't be bothered doing the maths what would the league table look like if Ngaruawahia lost the points in every game he played in? (and gave them to their opposition), what were their results against Suburbs? does that bring them back into the mix?
In any case it dosn't help us :-(
Ha ha ha - hey, where there's a glimmer of hope...... you gotta try right? Suburbs a 2-1 loss and a 3-1 win, Marquez no score. So this 12 team Prem proposal - did they say when this decision would be made. Would it mean that Ellerslie and Manurewa would stay in the league if that happened? Or still relegated and the next 2 come up?
by the end of November - but most likely it will be in 2015 the increase takes effect.
If they did it for 2014 there are several points of view on how you would make up the 12 team leagues:
a) no relegation, add Kura and Fury to Div 2 to complete your three 12 team leagues
b) relegate the bottom placed team in each division, and have a playoff between the 2nd bottom and 3rd and 4th placed teams in the lower division for 2 spots in the above league (for example for Premier League, Rewa down, and Ellerslie/Melville/North Shore to play off for 2 spots
c) promote the 3rd and 4th placed teams and keep the two relegated ones relegated - not my favourite scenario :-)
Anyway hopefully we should know soon..
It's gotta to be 2015 .
Bottom two in premier play off with 3/4 div 1......
If this happened this past season Melville would come up and Ellerslie would stay up..in my opinion...
and the same div 1/div 2...
playoff's sound like the best way to do it - gives effectively 4 promotion spots in 2015 which cheapens promotion a little bit but like you say it's still earned.
Heard today that apparently NZF are cracking down on illegal unregistered players after being hit with a big fine for something similar.
Varela sat out today's WaiBOP game as there is now uncertainty over him, but he should be fine I'm told - having been registered back and forth about six times between 3/4 different clubs you'd certainly hope he was registered properly.
Heard today that apparently NZF are cracking down on illegal unregistered players after being hit with a big fine for something similar.
Varela sat out today's WaiBOP game as there is now uncertainty over him, but he should be fine I'm told - having been registered back and forth about six times between 3/4 different clubs you'd certainly hope he was registered properly.
Canty United in the process off obtaining an International Clearence, only Morrison had an IC
What happens to the points when teams play an incorrectly registered player? What happens to teams that play a foreign player as a local in a CC match.
Ngaruawahia should have their points stripped and given to the other teams and lose promotion. In fact, it would put them at the bottom of the table and they would be relegated!
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
What happens to the points when teams play an incorrectly registered player? What happens to teams that play a foreign player as a local in a CC match.
Ngaruawahia should have their points stripped and given to the other teams and lose promotion. In fact, it would put them at the bottom of the table and they would be relegated!
Ngaruawahia never got an international clearance so in theory will be relegated to last place. Can only blame themselves, poor admin, they messed up.
No idea - but surely action can be taken when the information comes to light and the new league hasn't kicked off yet and is still far enough away to be altered.
Interestingly Melville and Ngarra drew twice in the season, Marquez played and scored in one of them but didn't feature even as a reserve in the other fixture.
Marquez played in both games vs Shore and scored in both (alot).
If the points were to be given to the opposition team - Shore would gain 6 points and Melville 3 points. Im still straw-clutching but haven't heard anything from AFF and Ngarra have nothing noted on their website. This would mean Shore finishes the table on 47 points and Melville 45...
It would be nice to know if any action is to be taken, what points are to be allocated or removed and what effect this has on the standings?
has someone from Shore or Melville made an official complaint or query? that would be the first step you would think.
I just lodged an independent query with Martin Baucutt and I think the clubs are doing the same - just nothing on AFF website or Ngarras
The Ngaruawahia coach is the new North shore coach I believe..
Is that true ZG
No we still have both our coaches still, I think if anything were to happen in that regard it might be an assistant or advisor role? Both our coaches have been re-appointed. Im a bit off the track living out West and Shore being in Devonport, so miss a lot of whats going on over the break.
Changes to the structure of the leagues must happen on the field and start in 2015. Teams must know at the beginning of the 2014 season what the leagues will look like in2015. My suggestion is no relegation from next season premier league and top 2 from div 1
Ngaruawahia should not be penalised as the rules on ITC are very vague. What are clubs supposed to do when a player coming from oversees especially from sth Americas tells them they did not play competitive football in their home country. There are no processes in place from either federation or nz for clubs to check. Clubs are run by volunteers so the onus must be on paid employees from NZF or federations
Changes to the structure of the leagues must happen on the field and start in 2015. Teams must know at the beginning of the 2014 season what the leagues will look like in2015. My suggestion is no relegation from next season premier league and top 2 from div 1
Ngaruawahia should not be penalised as the rules on ITC are very vague. What are clubs supposed to do when a player coming from oversees especially from sth Americas tells them they did not play competitive football in their home country. There are no processes in place from either federation or nz for clubs to check. Clubs are run by volunteers so the onus must be on paid employees from NZF or federations
I think Ngaruawahia need to have the points docked and then AFF work out what to do next re whom goes up etc etc
Changes to the structure of the leagues must happen on the field and start in 2015. Teams must know at the beginning of the 2014 season what the leagues will look like in2015. My suggestion is no relegation from next season premier league and top 2 from div 1
Ngaruawahia should not be penalised as the rules on ITC are very vague. What are clubs supposed to do when a player coming from oversees especially from sth Americas tells them they did not play competitive football in their home country. There are no processes in place from either federation or nz for clubs to check. Clubs are run by volunteers so the onus must be on paid employees from NZF or federations
so how did Canterbury find out - by asking him? there goes your theory.
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What about the Chilean boy from hamilton he's not cleared either isn't that why he's not in the wai.bop team?
So then Hamilton go down as well ?...
which Chilean lad is this?
If it's the one I am thinking of didn't he first play for Onehunga Sports a couple of seasons back before he transferred to Hamilton?
If that's the case then really it's an Onehunga Sports issue but since that was like two seasons ago there is very little you can do about it now (maybe a fine?).
Hamilton maybe could have checked it out but really not much blame on them i don't think.
which Chilean lad is this?
If it's the one I am thinking of didn't he first play for Onehunga Sports a couple of seasons back before he transferred to Hamilton?
If that's the case then really it's an Onehunga Sports issue but since that was like two seasons ago there is very little you can do about it now (maybe a fine?).
Hamilton maybe could have checked it out but really not much blame on them i don't think.
You are right Zane about consequences.... Ask Wairarapa...
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Yeah Varela's been on the books of a club about five different times now - from Onehunga to Waikato to Wanderers to Waikato to now WaiBOP, so naturally the coaches in charge of WaiBOP thought he'd be fully eligible, and they're not pleased at all that they're having to sort it out again.
Whats the background on that story there N-Bomb? How did that pop up?
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There's meant to be a story coming out soon about the whole Marquez/Varela/NZF fine thing so I can't say too much but from what I understand they were just doing routine checks on all their players to make sure they weren't going to lose any points (like Canterbury were doing) and some ireegularities came up.
you say fine? I hope that dosn't apply to Ngaruawahia - I feel sorry for their players but they shouldn't be allowed in premier league (and the arguement could be that should be relegated) by playing a player who was ineligable.
So will Hamilton also get relegated ? If ngaruawahia don't get promoted
http://www.aff.org.nz/index.php?id=44&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2352&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=cfa019d911
No issue with Marquez at Narra - they go up!
Big call that. So then what was the story at Canty then? Either they are talking a load of bollocks or AFF is.
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There was never an issue with Marqeez and Varela. The winter clubs involved followed the correct procedures with their Federations around the transfer process
The reason why NZF asked both Canterbury and Waibop to check their transfers was because of an recent audit of NZF by FIFA on ITC. It took some times for both Canterbury and Waibop to verify if the clubs have done things correctly. NZF told them they couldn't play these players until the checks have been done. This involved going back to their homelands governing body .
When the checks by Canterbury and Waibop were completed it comprehensively showed that the winter clubs had followed the correct procedure.
The real issue is that NZF doesn't have a clear policy around ITC
There was never an issue with Marqeez and Varela. The winter clubs involved followed the correct procedures with their Federations around the transfer process
The reason why NZF asked both Canterbury and Waibop to check their transfers was because of an recent audit of NZF by FIFA on ITC. It took some times for both Canterbury and Waibop to verify if the clubs have done things correctly. NZF told them they couldn't play these players until the checks have been done. This involved going back to their homelands governing body .
When the checks by Canterbury and Waibop were completed it comprehensively showed that the winter clubs had followed the correct procedure.
The real issue is that NZF doesn't have a clear policy around ITC
by correct policy do you mean registered them as a new player - because that's what Narra did in the case of Marquez, there was never an international clearance done. which must mean he has never played club football before - which is fine I just wanted to make that clear.
There was never an issue with Marqeez and Varela. The winter clubs involved followed the correct procedures with their Federations around the transfer process
The reason why NZF asked both Canterbury and Waibop to check their transfers was because of an recent audit of NZF by FIFA on ITC. It took some times for both Canterbury and Waibop to verify if the clubs have done things correctly. NZF told them they couldn't play these players until the checks have been done. This involved going back to their homelands governing body .
When the checks by Canterbury and Waibop were completed it comprehensively showed that the winter clubs had followed the correct procedure.
The real issue is that NZF doesn't have a clear policy around ITC
FYI - i don't really understand this complaint that NZF don't have a clear policy - to me it's totally clear, i just don't think it's needed.
If a player can give you a name of a club then you do an ITC - if he isn't sure or isn't totally sure which club was his last if you can give your federation the name of the FA he played under and some dates they can look into it for you and come back with any results (takes longer but it works as we have had that situation several times). I see Dave Cook complain that if he has no club WaiBOP won't do an ITC, well this isn't the case in AFF - I suspect it isn't the case in WaiBOP either as I woulid imagine Dave Cook hasn't done many ITC's recently!
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