I wondered how long for Cain to pop back up again. I guess its been enough time.
I did not realise Rattray was permanently up this way. I know he was a Wanderers lad for a long time and playing at Olympic but thought that was just travelling thing.
Is Ellerslie looking at a new coach Chopah? I have to say that I thought in the end, Warren was good at developing a young side with no names to play to a plan. Kudos to him.
Cain has been DoF at Oratia for a few years and been coaching there 19s too
Mike Taylor and Ants Owens taken over at Metro not heard of either guy before??
They are tired of having complete fuckwits in charge of their first team?
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Wishing Dan Rattray all the best in his first coaching gig. Hopefully Roger W will lend a hand if required.
Maybe they should organise a Blickerz gig at Fencibles to get things off on the right note??
Mike Taylor and Ants Owens taken over at Metro not heard of either guy before??
Mike Taylor coached their reserves last year - Ants is the club secretary I think?
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Anyway since there isn't much other chat going on - i may as well use this as an opportunity to shamlessly plug an ad for my club:
Was Sean Dowling your 1st team keeper last year Chopah? If so, where is he panning on playing in 2015?
On the Northern Forum there was an overseas keeper looking for a gig in NZ.
Good luck.
Was Sean Dowling your 1st team keeper last year Chopah? If so, where is he planning on playing in 2015?
On the Northern Forum there was an overseas keeper looking for a gig in NZ.
Good luck.
Yeah Sean was our first team keeper last year - we had hoped to bring through one of our reserves or U19's keepers in 2015 but one is now playing 2nd tier in the US at College and Conor Tracey is off to QPR in the Jan transfer window.
I do remember a guy on the NL forum actually - I will see if I can try and find that thread.
Oh - Sean, wasn't avoiding the question but he did tell me to keep his move (or more to the point his destination) on the down low.
All I guess I can say is it will be for a team in the NRFL Premier League in 2015.
Eastern Suburds I would guess. I hear they are spending up large in 2015 .
used to play at Suburbs so seems logical
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Eastern Suburds I would guess. I hear they are spending up large in 2015 .
Northern League large or Glenfield large?
Three for me, and two for them.
I was speaking to an Glenfield member just prior to Xmas and at the clubs AGM it was reported it only cost $28000 to run their first team last year.
Not bad considering the quality of players they had.
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I was speaking to an Glenfield member just prior to Xmas and at the clubs AGM it was reported it only cost $28000 to run their first team last year.
Not bad considering the quality of players they had.
You've missed a zero or two.
Three for me, and two for them.
I was speaking to an Glenfield member just prior to Xmas and at the clubs AGM it was reported it only cost $28000 to run their first team last year.
Not bad considering the quality of players they had.
Thats per game though.....
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I was speaking to an Glenfield member just prior to Xmas and at the clubs AGM it was reported it only cost $28000 to run their first team last year.
Not bad considering the quality of players they had.
Thats per game though.....
I'm not condemning them or anything but from what I understand a lot of the payments to players were offset by sponsorship etc. So maybe the 28k is the cost difference between actual cost and what they got from sponsors etc.
whats occurring in the lead up to the new season - anyone have any info on transfers, whose looking strong/spending big etc?
So there is at least two of the NZ U17's team heading to North Shore United - to work with U17's Assistant coach Paul Temple
when will NZ Football learn that national team coaches need to not be working directly with clubs....
At least Jose dosn't seem to have done it yet - i hope he dosn't.
So there is at least two of the NZ U17's team heading to North Shore United - to work with U17's Assistant coach Paul Temple
when will NZ Football learn that national team coaches need to not be working directly with clubs....
At least Jose dosn't seem to have done it yet - i hope he dosn't.
Probably not paid enough by NZ Football to only be a national coach.
Jose is at Central is he not?
Fundamentally, I agree with what you are saying but I would say, if you could get the entire un17 team together in a winter club playing week in week out under their coach, that would be fantastic in terms of building the team and time together.
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Jose is at Central is he not?
Fundamentally, I agree with what you are saying but I would say, if you could get the entire un17 team together in a winter club playing week in week out under their coach, that would be fantastic in terms of building the team and time together.
but like it or not isn't the wanderers concept supposed to achieve this?
Jose is at Central is he not?
Fundamentally, I agree with what you are saying but I would say, if you could get the entire un17 team together in a winter club playing week in week out under their coach, that would be fantastic in terms of building the team and time together.
but like it or not isn't the wanderers concept supposed to achieve this?
Yeah i agree but that's only 14 games, which is fudge all.
Three for me, and two for them.
Jose is at Central is he not?
Fundamentally, I agree with what you are saying but I would say, if you could get the entire un17 team together in a winter club playing week in week out under their coach, that would be fantastic in terms of building the team and time together.
but like it or not isn't the wanderers concept supposed to achieve this?
Yeah i agree but that's only 14 games, which is fudge all.
+ trainings for the entire summer it seems.
It's just that basically in our football system grass roots clubs are the ones (along with some schools and academy's) who have a responsibility to develop young players and while them moving at some point is a reality grass roots clubs have to accept (and embrace) it's hard to swallow moves like this when it's too a (most recently) mid table Div 1 side?
It's football at the moment but it's not a great look (but has been happening for ages I accept)
Jose is at Central is he not?
Fundamentally, I agree with what you are saying but I would say, if you could get the entire un17 team together in a winter club playing week in week out under their coach, that would be fantastic in terms of building the team and time together.
Just like Wanderers in the ASBP.
Jose is at Central is he not?
Fundamentally, I agree with what you are saying but I would say, if you could get the entire un17 team together in a winter club playing week in week out under their coach, that would be fantastic in terms of building the team and time together.
Whoops, inadvertently double posted.
Also posted before reading subsequent posts.
Is it fair to say Wanderers are playing better this season than last? Is that because they are training "full time"? What more could have NZF done to better prepare for the U20 WC which kicks off in only 4 and a bit months now?
Like the U17's playing together in a winter comp - this was suggested for the U20's for last year. However realistically which club is going to say, yeah we'll suspend our first team so that the U17's can play together at our club? I'd suggest none. Whereas luring a couple of key age group national team squad members to shore up (excuse the pun) your first team - game on! As seen at Shore this year and ECB's last year.
There are a lot of solutions, none I'd expect would be universally welcomed, as is the patch protecting, self centred state of which appears to be engrained across all forms of football in NZ.
Just my thoughts, opinion, observations etc etc.
Those are all bloody good points Optimist and while I know Chopah does not like the poaching aspect, what club will tell their entire first team to piss off for a 'pre-made' team to come in? You would annoy a truck load of club regulars for sure. I guess the best example we are likely to see is the Phoenix-Welly United tie up in Wellington. From what I read on here, they have basically suspended their first team for the Phoenix. I hope it works but there is potential for tears and read that's what happened with Ole and IBU (?) on here too.
You kinda wonder if this kind of approach needs some leadership and I want to talk solely from an NRFL approach. Do you tell the clubs that there will be 11 teams in the premier team and the other 1 spot will be run by a 'club' (and let's just just say for argument sake it's Uni-mt) disguising that team as a pseudo age group team of some sort? Perhaps each team in the NRFL contributes $500 (and for some clubs, that's a weeks wages for 1 player) so that it is kinda self funded as a collective investment into the betterment of national youth football. It might be that it's an u19 team that is largely going to be NZ representative in age group with numbers made up from the next age group down (u16s). It's just an idea and there are many pitfalls but I guess in fairness to the position of developing kids in a team environment for national teams and also not having clubs poaching, where is the happy medium? I think it's an interesting debate and possibly not for this thread.
I think one thing we can possible agree on (?) is that at this young age, some of these kids in this day an age don't necessarily understand loyalty to a club and it's a bit about playing with their mates or if they are really focused, thinking of only themselves and their future (I am happy to be corrected on this)
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Those are all bloody good points Optimist and while I know Chopah does not like the poaching aspect, what club will tell their entire first team to piss off for a 'pre-made' team to come in? You would annoy a truck load of club regulars for sure. I guess the best example we are likely to see is the Phoenix-Welly United tie up in Wellington. From what I read on here, they have basically suspended their first team for the Phoenix. I hope it works but there is potential for tears and read that's what happened with Ole and IBU (?) on here too.
You kinda wonder if this kind of approach needs some leadership and I want to talk solely from an NRFL approach. Do you tell the clubs that there will be 11 teams in the premier team and the other 1 spot will be run by a 'club' (and let's just just say for argument sake it's Uni-mt) disguising that team as a pseudo age group team of some sort? Perhaps each team in the NRFL contributes $500 (and for some clubs, that's a weeks wages for 1 player) so that it is kinda self funded as a collective investment into the betterment of national youth football. It might be that it's an u19 team that is largely going to be NZ representative in age group with numbers made up from the next age group down (u16s). It's just an idea and there are many pitfalls but I guess in fairness to the position of developing kids in a team environment for national teams and also not having clubs poaching, where is the happy medium? I think it's an interesting debate and possibly not for this thread.
I think one thing we can possible agree on (?) is that at this young age, some of these kids in this day an age don't necessarily understand loyalty to a club and it's a bit about playing with their mates or if they are really focused, thinking of only themselves and their future (I am happy to be corrected on this)
i get what your saying I just don't think it's needed - in my mind the clubs that are developing players are doing a good job at the moment and the ASB Youth and Senior leagues help by providing the next level of competition. I think the Wanderers concept could live a bit longer as well.
I hear there are big changes at Bay Olympic. Knowles is gone and Carl Jorgenson is coaching
Also heard a number of players are leaving
Can anyone confirm this
SK is still the director of football - some of the older guys gone, a few to join Michael Mayne
Who's Mayne coaching? And who would hire him given his record at ACFC youth this season?
Three for me, and two for them.
Waitemata - coached them last season as well.
the ACFC youth thing - maybe not the best barometer of his ability - no doubt he did some things wrong and there was a strange policy (or mistake) not to take any players who were in their last year age wise as they wanted to rebuild but then changed their mind later but had lost key players already by then. Plus it was always going to be a poisoned chalice following in the footsteps of Zoro.
Just before the comments fly back - i'm not really defending him - just pointing out there were a few key things that didn't help.
I imagine ACFC are going to look at someone else for 2015/16?
That's fair enough, i wasn't aware he was coaching at Waitemata. Assumed he was hired by a Prem or top Div 1 outfit.
Three for me, and two for them.
Mayne was at Glenfield in 2013 and Waitemata at 2014 as Chopah suggests.
Bay Olympic story is true, Jorgenson in charge and Knowles director of coaching. I know a couple of club faithful are not happy with the Jorgenson thing.
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Yeah but he didn't coach Glenfield.
Three for me, and two for them.
2013? Are you sure?
Edit: You might be right. Danny Donegan in 2013? My brain is muddled.
coached the wimmin didn't he?
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Yeah heard the Coombes to Birko story a while ago. David Fahy heading there too apparently.
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