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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Agreed Spurs crazy (although Spurs are rubbish!)

Two key points worth discussion:

ONE: The ref claimed he would not tolerate "dissent" but this went as far as to not allow ANY questions as to: who committed the foul in question, what the foul was for, where a free-kick could be taken from.  Every 'comment' uttered on the field was dissent. When a conscious decision was made to remove all comments from the field except from the captain, this was still dissent.  A quick checking of the definition of dissent, as per the Oxford dictionary stated:

 

"dissent - verb: express disagreement with a prevailing or official view"

 

Law 12 of the FIFA Laws of the Game, under 'Showing dissent by word or action' also comments,

 

"A player who is guilty of dissent by protesting (verbally or non-verbally) against a referee�s decision must be cautioned."

 

Clearly the use of the word "protesting against a referee's decision", backs up Oxfords definition and the common sense approach to the commonly understood meaning of dissent? A genuine question to an official, to obtain clarity and to allow the smooth flowing of the game is surely constructive?

 

TWO: An Upper Hutt defender received a ball straight to the face around 30 yards out towards the sideline (a clearance struck by a strong PNGHS defender), which grounded her, resulting in her clutching her head. The referee stated play would not be stopped for this head injury as it was "ball to head." 

 
Other than a collision with another player or the ground, isn't a ball to the head/face a reasonable claim for stoppage, especially this far out from goal? The force of a football can be as high as 208 joules, which is greater than the force of any other sporting ball apart from a golf ball. Such a strike straight to the nose/face can lead to serious injuries, concussion and complications, especially around the jaw where there is no attachment to the skull and such an impact can force the jaw back against the base of the skull. 
 
But hey, lets let the play go on whilst the player is on the ground in agony and perhaps serious injury?! Am I expecting too much?

 

That's me. 

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I take it from Feverish's comment that the ref in their game wasn't that flash either. Some times no ref is better than any ref!! popz2010-05-10 15:16:22
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Marist in the box seat now. Still Massey to play though. Top four teams looking on a par with each other.
Marist keep scoring depite everyone knowing their game plan of lone striker and through balls down the middle, with the ginger given a free role in behind. Both us and UH have failed to stop them scoring. Mix of inexperience and naivity from us I think (saying that, its not where the goals came from). Their defense stopped us well with the committed attitude, which made up for them being poor ball players. Third goal was frustrating after no one tackled the tall ginger, allowing themselves to be pushed off the ball. A nasty deflection capped it off. 
Feverish2010-05-10 14:30:09

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
@goonerfan and spurscrazy. While I was not present to view the incidents you mentioned, from a referee's perspective it would be disappointing to say the least if even half of what you say is accurate. I'm of the view that we should always stop the game immediately for head injuries, no matter the origin. I'm assuming that concerned witnesses were not saying "at least it was only the ball." Even IF the player were simulating, we have cautions etc for that sort of thing. On the topic of dissent, your definition was spot on. In fact, most of us will try and show a little leniency as a little questioning/disagreement is natural. Maybe the backchat had gotten out of hand, I don't know, I can only speculate.
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Spurs crazy wrote:

turkiye wrote:
I hear UHC had a player sent off. Details, anyone?
All I will say is that its a joke to expect clubs to supply ball boys and rope of the ground when They disrespect the league by sending out a ref (and im using the term ref very lightly) that has no idea of the game and what he should be doing.� He booked the wrong player in the 1st half and then proceeded to book anyone that appealed for a decision.� One player was booked for cheering a goal scored. Another was booked for the use of her elbows when the closest marker was probably 5 meters away.� And if your interested the clown in the middle was Richter.As for the game I thought PNGHS have some promising players in there side.� Very impressed with the centre back with the bright yellow boots.� The game was played in good spirits with neither side doing anything to warrent a card throughout the game I thought.


I feel sorry for you. He ruined many a game back in the day. I remember him booking me for diving when I got hit with a studs up challenge in the thigh. As he was pulling the card out I was showing him the bleeding stud marks but he still carded me!(about 4 were bleeding - he obviously didn't take much care when checking the boots before the game)
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Frank the Tank wrote:
@goonerfan and spurscrazy. While I was not present to view the incidents you mentioned, from a referee's perspective it would be disappointing to say the least if even half of what you say is accurate. I'm of the view that we should always stop the game immediately for head injuries, no matter the origin. I'm assuming that concerned witnesses were not saying "at least it was only the ball." Even IF the player were simulating, we have cautions etc for that sort of thing. On the topic of dissent, your definition was spot on. In fact, most of us will try and show a little leniency as a little questioning/disagreement is natural. Maybe the backchat had gotten out of hand, I don't know, I can only speculate.

Well after a day to cool day and reflect, im still just as annoyed as I was yesterday.  As the 2nd yellow for decent was a comment of "He wasn't sure" when one of our other players questioned his decision.  This didnt effect the result of the game but cost the club a good player for next weeks game and also a fine to the club for the red.

It was the 2nd head injury in the game and he was told the 1st time he should stop for head injures.  This is what is so annoying with it.  Especially when he stopped play for a leg injury.  The two refs running the line were probably better equipped to run the game.  Hopefully we dont get him again.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well it's good to hear that the game's result was not affected, but the other repercussions you speak of are still unfortunate. I'm doing sundays only this month so may end up on one of your games sooner rather than later myself
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thanks for your comments Frank. With over 20 years in the beautiful game, I had hoped I was on the right track!

I can understand your point, that if the back chat got out of hand, then the referee needs to take a hard line and there are certainly many strong-willed women footballers around, that can be difficult at times to manage. However on this occasion, the players hadn't been on the field for any longer than five minutes and the ref was calling every enquiry dissent. AND to make things worse, the requests for information were ones of genuine enquiry, not 'questioning or comments in disagreement' as you put it.

I believe in the old adage that the sign of a good ref is one you don't notice and it truly is an unenviable job, but when the game becomes all about the ref stamping his authority, with even the other team commenting that the game seemed to be all about him, questions need to be asked.

I don't know what it would take, but surely the top men's referees should have to each officiate two women's games a season?
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re: the dissent, it actually surprised me that these happened in a women's game. I say this because on the whole, women's games are MUCH easier to officiate. The main factors in this are normally the pace of the game and the relative lack of backchat. Therein lies a part of the problem. These factors, along with the physical skill level, mean that some referees don't enjoy these games as much and ( I believe errroneously ) don't see them as worthwile. Now when our development officer does appointments for the upcoming games, he can only appoint us based on when we say we are available (eg sundays only as is the case with myself this month). Normally the mens Central League games get the absolute top refs available on Sundays but after that there aren't too many more refs available. So in short that means the pool of refs he has to use isn't the biggest so they can't force every ref to do women's games. However I personally think that women's games can actually produce pretty decent football at times and are excellent for referee development, especially for younger refs like myself.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What do you know, I get appointed to do a line for you guys on the subs side on Sunday against United.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thats good news.  But what isnt is Upper Hutt 2nds have Richter this week.  Lets hope he was just having a bad day last week.  But I doubt it as he is only good enough for capital 4 in the mens division.
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Well I'll try not to have one on sunday then. see ya thereFrank the Tank2010-05-11 17:25:11
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Spurs crazy wrote:
Thats good news.  But what isnt is Upper Hutt 2nds have Richter this week.  Lets hope he was just having a bad day last week.  But I doubt it as he is only good enough for capital 4 in the mens division.
 
Are you suggesting Capital 4 is of a lower level of football than Central League Women? 

Football is working class ballet - Alf Garnet

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mumbino wrote:
Spurs crazy wrote:
Thats good news.  But what isnt is Upper Hutt 2nds have Richter this week.  Lets hope he was just having a bad day last week.  But I doubt it as he is only good enough for capital 4 in the mens division.
 
Are you suggesting Capital 4 is of a lower level of football than Central League Women? 
Yes.
Also shows his reffing level when it is the 6th league down.  Its good to have refs but put them at the appropriate levels.
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Spurs crazy wrote:
mumbino wrote:
Spurs crazy wrote:
Thats good news.  But what isnt is Upper Hutt 2nds have Richter this week.  Lets hope he was just having a bad day last week.  But I doubt it as he is only good enough for capital 4 in the mens division.
 
Are you suggesting Capital 4 is of a lower level of football than Central League Women? 
Yes.
Also shows his reffing level when it is the 6th league down.  Its good to have refs but put them at the appropriate levels.
 
6th league down in the Mens Division might be appropriate, but from the football I have seen Spurs crazy, he won't notice alot of difference.

Football is working class ballet - Alf Garnet

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. AJ132010-05-29 18:44:46
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mumbino wrote:
Spurs crazy wrote:
mumbino wrote:
Spurs crazy wrote:
Thats good news.  But what isnt is Upper Hutt 2nds have Richter this week.  Lets hope he was just having a bad day last week.  But I doubt it as he is only good enough for capital 4 in the mens division.
 
Are you suggesting Capital 4 is of a lower level of football than Central League Women? 
Yes.
Also shows his reffing level when it is the 6th league down.  Its good to have refs but put them at the appropriate levels.
 
6th league down in the Mens Division might be appropriate, but from the football I have seen Spurs crazy, he won't notice alot of difference.
Come watch Upper Hutt then, You will see good football
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Spurs crazy wrote:
mumbino wrote:
Spurs crazy wrote:
mumbino wrote:
Spurs crazy wrote:
Thats good news.  But what isnt is Upper Hutt 2nds have Richter this week.  Lets hope he was just having a bad day last week.  But I doubt it as he is only good enough for capital 4 in the mens division.
 
Are you suggesting Capital 4 is of a lower level of football than Central League Women? 
Yes.
Also shows his reffing level when it is the 6th league down.  Its good to have refs but put them at the appropriate levels.
 
6th league down in the Mens Division might be appropriate, but from the football I have seen Spurs crazy, he won't notice alot of difference.
Come watch Upper Hutt then, You will see good football
I don't doubt that for a minute Spurs crazy, Upper Hutt are a very good team.  But do you honestly think the Palmerston Nths or Lower Hutts are playing better football than the Capital 4 Mens Division?  Irrelevant discussion really, as I couldn't ever see them playing each other for a laugh regardless.    My point (or more opinion really) was that I don't see any Capital 4 Team finding alot of difficulty against any Womens CL team, so I considered your comment "only good enough for Captial 4" a bit, well, conceited.  However, each to his/her own....

Football is working class ballet - Alf Garnet

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Feverish wrote:
Marist in the box seat now. Still Massey to play though. Top four teams looking on a par with each other.
Marist keep scoring depite everyone knowing their game plan of lone striker and through balls down the middle, with the ginger given a free role in behind. Both us and UH have failed to stop them scoring. Mix of inexperience and naivity from us I think (saying that, its not where the goals came from). Their defense stopped us well with the committed attitude, which made up for them being poor ball players. Third goal was frustrating after no one tackled the tall ginger, allowing themselves to be pushed off the ball. A nasty deflection capped it off. 
 

Too bad the Wharfies coach doesn't know how to lose graciously like his players.

MaristPride2010-05-13 15:08:33
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There are a few coaches around who are like that which is a pity. Also might pay for coaches to cease calling players "tall ginger" etc. Might offend some people.
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MaristPride wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Marist in the box seat now. Still Massey to play though. Top four teams looking on a par with each other.
Marist keep scoring depite everyone knowing their game plan of lone striker and through balls down the middle, with the ginger given a free role in behind. Both us and UH have failed to stop them scoring. Mix of inexperience and naivity from us I think (saying that, its not where the goals came from). Their defense stopped us well with the committed attitude, which made up for them being�poor ball players. Third�goal was frustrating after no one tackled the tall ginger, allowing�themselves to be pushed off the ball. A nasty deflection capped it off.�

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To bad the Wharfies coach doesn't know how to loose with pride like his players.


I'd have thought Feverish is pretty comfortable with loose...
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ha calm down, Just trying to comment on a game - as everyone else seems to be ranting about refs. What I wrote was really complete drivel - but feel free to comment on your own games instead of getting all defensive...
oh and I do like to bait people so they enter debate in the forum - which obviously worked on you Marist personFeverish2010-05-13 14:48:13

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MaristPride wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Marist in the box seat now. Still Massey to play though. Top four teams looking on a par with each other.
Marist keep scoring depite everyone knowing their game plan of lone striker and through balls down the middle, with the ginger given a free role in behind. Both us and UH have failed to stop them scoring. Mix of inexperience and naivity from us I think (saying that, its not where the goals came from). Their defense stopped us well with the committed attitude, which made up for them being poor ball players. Third goal was frustrating after no one tackled the tall ginger, allowing themselves to be pushed off the ball. A nasty deflection capped it off. 
 

Too bad the Wharfies coach doesn't know how to lose graciously like his players.

I wouldn't put on here the thoughts of the players

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Looks as if UH's womens second team has had a change of ref for this weekend.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Saw that, rather funny.  Says to me they saw him as a bad ref and didnt want to inflict Upper Hutt with him two weeks running.  Would be interested to hear from the game he does this week.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Looks like I've been moved also, I'm sure Marist v Massey will be a good game.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Welllington United 0 UHC 11 (Eleven) - Only saw the last ten minutes and the last two goals. Popz and Stefan will give the match report!! 
 
That new pitch looks smart. That being the new artificial turf pitch at Te Whaea.
dairyflat2010-05-16 15:59:24
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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the second game at te whaea was 3-1, marist over massey palmy. marist had control for most of it but massey came back at them in the second half and were probably unlucky not to make the scores closer. marist are a class team though
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agreed - Massey looked dead after that 3rd goal in first half. But they really came out firing in the second. I left after 20 minutes of the second half, so Masseys goal must have been late in the piece
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yeah it was a quality goal, created by the left fullback who i thought was massey's best player. massey had a scrappy shot cleared off the line late as well. good contest i thought, might watch more women's football rather than lie around home nursing hangovers
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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If you want to watch quality women's football, then Wharf is the way to go.
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wharf 7 PNG 3
png aint bad. dunno how they are doing poorly. Apparently they are improving so I think they should do better next round. I was a tad worried at 1-0 down.
Nice of one of the parents to compliment the way the team conducted themselves on the pitch.
 
a bit scared shtless over the cricket score UH knocked up

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I was running one of the lines for this game and I would agree with your assessment of her as Massey's best player. She was actually quite unlucky to not score directly from one corner and would have done so had it not rebounded off a defender on the goal line who didn't know much about it ( rebounded off her bottom if I remember rightly).
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ran a line on the following game, it's great to run on but the rubber dirt stuff can get annoying quickly if it gets into your boots.
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Frank the Tank wrote:
I was running one of the lines for this game and I would agree with your assessment of her as Massey's best player. She was actually quite unlucky to not score directly from one corner and would have done so had it not rebounded off a defender on the goal line who didn't know much about it ( rebounded off her bottom if I remember rightly).
Yeah that corner was what i was referring to when i said one was cleared off the line. she's one to watch for sure. that rubber stuff sticks to you when its wet but so does dirt, so not much different
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good point. At least it won't get all boggy.
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so change of fixtures unexpectedly. This weekend is now Knockout Cup. Nice notification NZF.
Marist v Wharf and Seatoun v UH. The highest ranking four team play each other. 4 games in total (8 teams) then the Wgtn winner plays Massey I guess (who get a free ride to the quarters)

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Feverish wrote:
so change of fixtures unexpectedly. This weekend is now Knockout Cup. Nice notification NZF.
Marist v Wharf and Seatoun v UH. The highest ranking four team play each other. 4 games in total (8 teams) then the Wgtn winner plays Massey I guess (who get a free ride to the quarters)
You seem surprised at this Greeny? I would have thought it was to be expected from NZF, no notification, etc.
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