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The FFA and friends need to concern themselves more with finding franchises that are financially stable than trying to arsehole teams out. I'm still sad that the Fury and Gold Coast got the flick. 16 teams would make for a good league. Theoretically in the FFA Cup, they would be the quarter finalists. However results are a lottery. 

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Lonegunmen wrote:

The FFA and friends need to concern themselves more with finding franchises that are financially stable than trying to arsehole teams out. I'm still sad that the Fury and Gold Coast got the flick. 16 teams would make for a good league. Theoretically in the FFA Cup, they would be the quarter finalists. However results are a lottery. 

Dream scenario, I'd like to see by the start of the 2024/25 season 16 teams, each with 7 visa spots and the salary cap widened. Minimum percentage of the salary cap that must be used lowered to 60% ($1.8m), and the cap itself raised to $3m. Wouldn't mind another marquee player slot either. The 6 teams to be added to the 10 current licensed teams would be Canberra, Tasmania, Woolongong, South Melbourne, Campbelltown and Geelong. 16 teams playing each other home and away once equals 30 rounds a season, after which the top 8 compete in quarters/semi/grand-final (1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc). 8 games a week, with 2 being played Friday and 3 each on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday/Sunday games would have a 3:30:pm, 5:30:pm and 7:30:pm kickoffs (local time).While at first the nix would probably suffer under the new salary cap and the Sydney and Melbourne teams would dominate, i think in the long run its for the best. Bigger salary cap and more marquee and visa slots allow for bigger names and better quality players to decide to play here. The quality of the league would improve and would in turn improve our players by exposing them to this new increase in quality. Better football and more money being splashed means more viewers. more viewers means bigger broadcasting rights deals, and bigger sponsorship and advertising deals, ultimately pumping more money into the league.
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Lonegunmen wrote:

The FFA and friends need to concern themselves more with finding franchises that are financially stable than trying to arsehole teams out. I'm still sad that the Fury and Gold Coast got the flick. 16 teams would make for a good league. Theoretically in the FFA Cup, they would be the quarter finalists. However results are a lottery. 

Dream scenario, I'd like to see by the start of the 2024/25 season 16 teams, each with 7 visa spots and the salary cap widened. Minimum percentage of the salary cap that must be used lowered to 60% ($1.8m), and the cap itself raised to $3m. Wouldn't mind another marquee player slot either. The 6 teams to be added to the 10 current licensed teams would be Canberra, Tasmania, Woolongong, South Melbourne, Campbelltown and Geelong. 16 teams playing each other home and away once equals 30 rounds a season, after which the top 8 compete in quarters/semi/grand-final (1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc). 8 games a week, with 2 being played Friday and 3 each on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday/Sunday games would have a 3:30:pm, 5:30:pm and 7:30:pm kickoffs (local time).While at first the nix would probably suffer under the new salary cap and the Sydney and Melbourne teams would dominate, i think in the long run its for the best. Bigger salary cap and more marquee and visa slots allow for bigger names and better quality players to decide to play here. The quality of the league would improve and would in turn improve our players by exposing them to this new increase in quality. Better football and more money being splashed means more viewers. more viewers means bigger broadcasting rights deals, and bigger sponsorship and advertising deals, ultimately pumping more money into the league.

I’d chuck a Pacific Island team in place of Wollongong tbh, or maybe Geelong because we don’t want too many Melbourne clubs. Maybe Solomon Islands or New Caledonia, even Vanuatu, since football’s the biggest sports there? That would immeasurably improve Pacific football if they get a free pass to sign any Islander + Aussies as homegrown. I’m thinking New Caledonia since Christian Karembeu is a massive voice in Oceania and he’s been calling for a Pacific team in the A-League for ages. Crowds would actually be pretty good, the team would give he islands something to be proud of.

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mrsmiis wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The FFA and friends need to concern themselves more with finding franchises that are financially stable than trying to arsehole teams out. I'm still sad that the Fury and Gold Coast got the flick. 16 teams would make for a good league. Theoretically in the FFA Cup, they would be the quarter finalists. However results are a lottery. 

Dream scenario, I'd like to see by the start of the 2024/25 season 16 teams, each with 7 visa spots and the salary cap widened. Minimum percentage of the salary cap that must be used lowered to 60% ($1.8m), and the cap itself raised to $3m. Wouldn't mind another marquee player slot either. The 6 teams to be added to the 10 current licensed teams would be Canberra, Tasmania, Woolongong, South Melbourne, Campbelltown and Geelong. 16 teams playing each other home and away once equals 30 rounds a season, after which the top 8 compete in quarters/semi/grand-final (1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc). 8 games a week, with 2 being played Friday and 3 each on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday/Sunday games would have a 3:30:pm, 5:30:pm and 7:30:pm kickoffs (local time).While at first the nix would probably suffer under the new salary cap and the Sydney and Melbourne teams would dominate, i think in the long run its for the best. Bigger salary cap and more marquee and visa slots allow for bigger names and better quality players to decide to play here. The quality of the league would improve and would in turn improve our players by exposing them to this new increase in quality. Better football and more money being splashed means more viewers. more viewers means bigger broadcasting rights deals, and bigger sponsorship and advertising deals, ultimately pumping more money into the league.

I’d chuck a Pacific Island team in place of Wollongong tbh, or maybe Geelong because we don’t want too many Melbourne clubs. Maybe Solomon Islands or New Caledonia, even Vanuatu, since football’s the biggest sports there? That would immeasurably improve Pacific football if they get a free pass to sign any Islander + Aussies as homegrown. I’m thinking New Caledonia since Christian Karembeu is a massive voice in Oceania and he’s been calling for a Pacific team in the A-League for ages. Crowds would actually be pretty good, the team would give he islands something to be proud of.

I'd like to see a PI team too, didn't add it though as I was trying to be as realistic as possible. Can't see it happening but no reason it shouldn't. Team could be based in Noumea and use Stade Numa-Daly Magenta as their home ground, which has a capacity of 16,000 (in other words, perfect). They could then do maybe two "home" games in Honiara at the Lawson Tama Stadium (up to 20,000), three in Fiji - Either Prince Charles Park in Nadi (18,000 capacity) or ANZ stadium in Suva (15,000), leaving 10 home games in Noumea (providing expansion is to 16 teams). Noumea has roughly a population of 200,000, which is definitely big enough to be the official home city. The islands have never had a professional team, so support would be immense. As for money, they could pull a Nix and rustle up an ownership consortium made up collectively of some of the Islands' wealthiest, and perhaps an agreement with the Fijian, Solomon Islands and New Caledonian governments to help fund the club. Sponsorship would have to be a huge part of revenue because ticket prices will need to be very low. Any potential problems could be fixed, but unfortunately  i doubt the FFA would bother
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mrsmiis wrote:

[quote=Lonegunmen]

The FFA and friends need to concern themselves more with finding franchises that are financially stable than trying to arsehole teams out. I'm still sad that the Fury and Gold Coast got the flick. 16 teams would make for a good league. Theoretically in the FFA Cup, they would be the quarter finalists. However results are a lottery. 

Dream scenario, I'd like to see by the start of the 2024/25 season 16 teams, each with 7 visa spots and the salary cap widened. Minimum percentage of the salary cap that must be used lowered to 60% ($1.8m), and the cap itself raised to $3m. Wouldn't mind another marquee player slot either. The 6 teams to be added to the 10 current licensed teams would be Canberra, Tasmania, Woolongong, South Melbourne, Campbelltown and Geelong. 16 teams playing each other home and away once equals 30 rounds a season, after which the top 8 compete in quarters/semi/grand-final (1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc). 8 games a week, with 2 being played Friday and 3 each on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday/Sunday games would have a 3:30:pm, 5:30:pm and 7:30:pm kickoffs (local time).While at first the nix would probably suffer under the new salary cap and the Sydney and Melbourne teams would dominate, i think in the long run its for the best. Bigger salary cap and more marquee and visa slots allow for bigger names and better quality players to decide to play here. The quality of the league would improve and would in turn improve our players by exposing them to this new increase in quality. Better football and more money being splashed means more viewers. more viewers means bigger broadcasting rights deals, and bigger sponsorship and advertising deals, ultimately pumping more money into the league.

...  "i doubt the FFA would bother"

No they wouldn't but if the A League was run separately from the FFA as it should be then surely sound sides should get a look in.  Would also open the door to a team from Singapore for instance.

Regarding Canberra, it seems no one there in interested fans wise much like the Gold Coast. so best ignored as the MLS does with Florida.

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They could chuck in a good team from the detained would be refugees island too.

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Supposedly there's still enthusiasm for A-League expansion, despite a big drop in crowd numbers this season. 

http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/a-league/ale...

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I wonder if declining numbers are because it is only 10 teams with pretty much the same 4 winning everything? Extra teams might freshen it up but salary caps etc need to be reviewed too.

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Ernie was in favour of dropping the salary cap and squad limits when he was here, I wonder if that's still the Phoenix position.

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Quote "Crowds up: Newcastle, Adelaide, Perth Crowds flat: Western Sydney, Wellington, Central Coast, Melbourne Victory"

If the A-League clubs triumph over Lowy/Gollop - Watch this space!

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What is going to bring in bigger crowds? it can only be better players can't it? So does more better players = larger salary cap and more incentive to sign marquee quality players?  While some of these marquee players are pretty handy, are they of the quality first envisaged? How many top guns have we actually had in the league? I can think of only 2 or 3 that I especisally got off my ass and trundled down to Wellington to see especially.

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More teams also mean more spots for Australia players. Do they have the depth?

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2ndBest wrote:

More teams also mean more spots for Australia players. Do they have the depth?

A good discussion point [seriously], awaiting that with interest.
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2ndBest wrote:

More teams also mean more spots for Australia players. Do they have the depth?

A good discussion point [seriously], awaiting that with interest.

An interesting question that one. lets say the league expands to 12 teams within the next 18 months. Assuming both teams fill the current maximum import quota and maximum squad capacity, its effectively introducing 36 new Australian players into the league (While both new teams would almost certainly sign many experienced HAL players from other teams, obviously those other teams still need to replace those players and hence the introduction of 36 new Aussies). I don't think this is too far a jump. Despite A-League crowd and viewership numbers being down, Australian football is still very much on the up, and their lower leagues continue to produce some quality young players. Looking at some of the Australian players on the bench for A league teams currently (think Clisby, Kilkenny, etc), throw in a couple of marquee Aussies and/or your 5 import slots plus the biggest and best from the NPL and you can get a pretty good team.
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We may see the triumphant return of Cirnak.

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2ndBest wrote:

More teams also mean more spots for Australia players. Do they have the depth?

A good discussion point [seriously], awaiting that with interest.

An interesting question that one. lets say the league expands to 12 teams within the next 18 months. Assuming both teams fill the current maximum import quota and maximum squad capacity, its effectively introducing 36 new Australian players into the league (While both new teams would almost certainly sign many experienced HAL players from other teams, obviously those other teams still need to replace those players and hence the introduction of 36 new Aussies). I don't think this is too far a jump. Despite A-League crowd and viewership numbers being down, Australian football is still very much on the up, and their lower leagues continue to produce some quality young players. Looking at some of the Australian players on the bench for A league teams currently (think Clisby, Kilkenny, etc), throw in a couple of marquee Aussies and/or your 5 import slots plus the biggest and best from the NPL and you can get a pretty good team.

If their import slots are containing some well known players, that could really ignite a turn around in crowds. Not just older players past their prime, but hopefully some in their late 20's early 30's...not late 30's.

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2ndBest wrote:

More teams also mean more spots for Australia players. Do they have the depth?

A good discussion point [seriously], awaiting that with interest.

An interesting question that one. lets say the league expands to 12 teams within the next 18 months. Assuming both teams fill the current maximum import quota and maximum squad capacity, its effectively introducing 36 new Australian players into the league (While both new teams would almost certainly sign many experienced HAL players from other teams, obviously those other teams still need to replace those players and hence the introduction of 36 new Aussies). I don't think this is too far a jump. Despite A-League crowd and viewership numbers being down, Australian football is still very much on the up, and their lower leagues continue to produce some quality young players. Looking at some of the Australian players on the bench for A league teams currently (think Clisby, Kilkenny, etc), throw in a couple of marquee Aussies and/or your 5 import slots plus the biggest and best from the NPL and you can get a pretty good team.

I dunno if you can say Australian football in general is on the up. Their U20s have failed to qualify for the last two WCs and their U23s have failed to qualify for the last two Olympics, and massive fees at junior level are driving players away
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2ndBest wrote:

More teams also mean more spots for Australia players. Do they have the depth?

A good discussion point [seriously], awaiting that with interest.

An interesting question that one. lets say the league expands to 12 teams within the next 18 months. Assuming both teams fill the current maximum import quota and maximum squad capacity, its effectively introducing 36 new Australian players into the league (While both new teams would almost certainly sign many experienced HAL players from other teams, obviously those other teams still need to replace those players and hence the introduction of 36 new Aussies). I don't think this is too far a jump. Despite A-League crowd and viewership numbers being down, Australian football is still very much on the up, and their lower leagues continue to produce some quality young players. Looking at some of the Australian players on the bench for A league teams currently (think Clisby, Kilkenny, etc), throw in a couple of marquee Aussies and/or your 5 import slots plus the biggest and best from the NPL and you can get a pretty good team.

I dunno if you can say Australian football in general is on the up. Their U20s have failed to qualify for the last two WCs and their U23s have failed to qualify for the last two Olympics, and massive fees at junior level are driving players away

Thats a good point, was more thinking about NPL and state leagues increasing in quality
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2ndBest wrote:

More teams also mean more spots for Australia players. Do they have the depth?

A good discussion point [seriously], awaiting that with interest.

An interesting question that one. lets say the league expands to 12 teams within the next 18 months. Assuming both teams fill the current maximum import quota and maximum squad capacity, its effectively introducing 36 new Australian players into the league (While both new teams would almost certainly sign many experienced HAL players from other teams, obviously those other teams still need to replace those players and hence the introduction of 36 new Aussies). I don't think this is too far a jump. Despite A-League crowd and viewership numbers being down, Australian football is still very much on the up, and their lower leagues continue to produce some quality young players. Looking at some of the Australian players on the bench for A league teams currently (think Clisby, Kilkenny, etc), throw in a couple of marquee Aussies and/or your 5 import slots plus the biggest and best from the NPL and you can get a pretty good team.

I dunno if you can say Australian football in general is on the up. Their U20s have failed to qualify for the last two WCs and their U23s have failed to qualify for the last two Olympics, and massive fees at junior level are driving players away

Thats a good point, was more thinking about NPL and state leagues increasing in quality

Yeah I mean, I dunno much about the details but I think quite a few people in Aussie are concerned about the future of the game. Having said that, I don't think international age group football is really much of a predictor for future national success.
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Expanding responsibly could well boost interest in the A-League overall - ideally a 16 team league would be perfect.

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theprof wrote:

Expanding responsibly could well boost interest in the A-League overall - ideally a 16 team league would be perfect.

Which is why New Zealand should continue to be part of A-League, especially if it runs independently of FFA.

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Mainland FC wrote:

theprof wrote:

Expanding responsibly could well boost interest in the A-League overall - ideally a 16 team league would be perfect.

Which is why New Zealand should continue to be part of A-League, especially if it runs independently of FFA.

Auckland side or Christchurch.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

theprof wrote:

Expanding responsibly could well boost interest in the A-League overall - ideally a 16 team league would be perfect.

Which is why New Zealand should continue to be part of A-League, especially if it runs independently of FFA.

Auckland side or Christchurch.

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The Nix probably need to sort our shark out before we start talking about more kiwi sides

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Yeah I mean, I dunno much about the details but I think quite a few people in Aussie are concerned about the future of the game. Having said that, I don't think international age group football is really much of a predictor for future national success.

It's more to do with the FFA governance. The Matildas are killing it at the moment, 4th in the world of course. So that's in the way up.

One big issue here is the junior fees being WAY too much per person, Adam Peacock (the guy on Fox Sports) pays up to $500/person. As for the youth, as an avid watcher of SA NPL teams, the Premier League quality is actually pretty good! You get some great talent, but the United A-League team hadn't been playing the youngsters, only now are they being selected. Which is surprising that players like La Rocca still got a game last season!!

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Yeah I mean, I dunno much about the details but I think quite a few people in Aussie are concerned about the future of the game. Having said that, I don't think international age group football is really much of a predictor for future national success.

It's more to do with the FFA governance. The Matildas are killing it at the moment, 4th in the world of course. So that's in the way up.

One big issue here is the junior fees being WAY too much per person, Adam Peacock (the guy on Fox Sports) pays up to $500/person. As for the youth, as an avid watcher of SA NPL teams, the Premier League quality is actually pretty good! You get some great talent, but the United A-League team hadn't been playing the youngsters, only now are they being selected. Which is surprising that players like La Rocca still got a game last season!!

Not sure the Matildas are relevant to a conversation about depth of talent for A League expansion though ;)
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Yeah I mean, I dunno much about the details but I think quite a few people in Aussie are concerned about the future of the game. Having said that, I don't think international age group football is really much of a predictor for future national success.

It's more to do with the FFA governance. The Matildas are killing it at the moment, 4th in the world of course. So that's in the way up.

One big issue here is the junior fees being WAY too much per person, Adam Peacock (the guy on Fox Sports) pays up to $500/person. As for the youth, as an avid watcher of SA NPL teams, the Premier League quality is actually pretty good! You get some great talent, but the United A-League team hadn't been playing the youngsters, only now are they being selected. Which is surprising that players like La Rocca still got a game last season!!

Not sure the Matildas are relevant to a conversation about depth of talent for A League expansion though ;)

I know, just thought I would brag ? But there are a few great players here in the SA NPL. Victoria has ready made teams, that's for sure.

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Yeah, I mean we've picked up Tratt, Powell and Parkhouse from State leagues in the last few years and they are all A League quality IMO. Maybe not stars (Tratt maybe in a few years) but squaddies at least. I think they were all NSWPL though? Question is, are there 30-something guys at that level across all the NPL? Of course some overseas Aussies might come back if given the chance too

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Yeah, I mean we've picked up Tratt, Powell and Parkhouse from State leagues in the last few years and they are all A League quality IMO. Maybe not stars (Tratt maybe in a few years) but squaddies at least. I think they were all NSWPL though? Question is, are there 30-something guys at that level across all the NPL? Of course some overseas Aussies might come back if given the chance too

Yep, that's right, NSWPL is doing well for itself, and it shows with Blacktown City doing reasonably well every year in their FFA Cup runs. Dammit Jacob, I miss you ?

You do get the odd 30-something year old in each team, but I'd say the mean age is around 25. You also get players like Fabian Barbiero and Van Dommele who hold teams like Metrostars together and surprisingly there are quite a few Japanese players who may have played in the Japanese second tier, or even J-League as well. I need to do my research on those players.

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I don't think talent should be a big problem. If you create more teams, then you create more opportunities for players to shine. Expansion is always going to cause the overall quality of the league to dip a little. However, most leagues aren't trying to contract to make them have more overall talent.

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Moves announced to expand in 2019/20 season, but is it just an FFA smokescreen? Stay tuned.... 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

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Just have to win it in 18/19 to make a post 19/20 decision harder

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The Hat is Open for all comers.

(To the music of Born to be Wild)

Get your Tenders in early

Head out for the by play

Looking  For Debenchers

And what ever comes our way

Ya got to make it happen

Take Gollop in a love embrace

By all the flares in one place

Lets float with police at our place.

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Hope it goes to Tasmania and Canberra, but i fear it will go to South East Melbourne and South Sydney. Woolongong Wolves chat has simmered down over the last year, but they would surely be front-runners too. Apparently a Northern Brisbane team is putting together a strong bid at the moment too. If it is a Melbourne or Sydney team though I hope they go don't go with "South East Melbourne" or "South Sydney" as the name. I'd rather they're called Dandenong and Sutherland or St George or Woolongong or Cronulla. Gets boring otherwise

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Hope it goes to Tasmania and Canberra, but i fear it will go to South East Melbourne and South Sydney. Woolongong Wolves chat has simmered down over the last year, but they would surely be front-runners too. Apparently a Northern Brisbane team is putting together a strong bid at the moment too. If it is a Melbourne or Sydney team though I hope they go don't go with "South East Melbourne" or "South Sydney" as the name. I'd rather they're called Dandenong and Sutherland or St George or Woolongong or Cronulla. Gets boring otherwise

Also pretty sure the Southern expansion wants to have green and black as their colours which would be cool to see
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No way will Fox allow expansion teams in Canberra or Tasmania. It'll be another Sydney and Melbourne team so they can have more derbies to boost their viewership numbers.

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If they do allow another Sydney and Melbourne team, I wonder if the A-League will have the highest number of derbies relative to number of teams in the league.

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