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A League Expansion

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over 12 years ago

As the A League is riding on an all time high it's an excellent opportunity to expand the league by adding more teams.

I'd like to see 2 more added as soon as possible!

 

You guys know anything about a possible expansion?

How many teams would you like to see in the A League?

Any more NZ teams?

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over 12 years ago

Yeah. We should resurrect the Kingz. Strong local support for it.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

As the A League is riding on an all time high it's an excellent opportunity to expand the league by adding more teams.

I'd like to see 2 more added as soon as possible!

 

You guys know anything about a possible expansion?

How many teams would you like to see in the A League?

Any more NZ teams?

They have said there will be no new teams under this current TV deal, so 2017 at the earliest.

Long term, 16 teams would be perfect imo, two home & away rounds giving you 30 games. But that is a very long way off.

My 6 would be Wollongong, Canberra, Auckland, Townsville,  Geelong & Ipswich. I know there is a push for a Tassie team but I just dunno if it could be viable long term.
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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History
Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah. We should resurrect the Kingz. Strong local support for it.

Yes would be nice to have an Auckland team again!

Needs a new name and branding though. Kingz sounds gay sorry...

Wonder though if people would get behind it?

Now that the Nix have spread around the country

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over 12 years ago

An Oceania team would be nice, especially if all OFC players bar kiwis were considered non import.

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah. We should resurrect the Kingz. Strong local support for it.

Yes would be nice to have an Auckland team again!

Needs a new name and branding though. Kingz sounds gay sorry...

Wonder though if people would get behind it?

Now that the Nix have spread around the country

I was taking the piss. An A league team in Auckland has PROVEN it won't work so no - we do not need a team in Auckland.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Townsville and Gold Coast both failed, so there will probably be some wariness about it.

The FFA are probably keen to see how their nationwide cup goes first.

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over 12 years ago

As the A League is riding on an all time high it's an excellent opportunity to expand the league by adding more teams.

I'd like to see 2 more added as soon as possible!

 

You guys know anything about a possible expansion?

How many teams would you like to see in the A League?

Any more NZ teams?

They have said there will be no new teams under this current TV deal, so 2017 at the earliest.

Long term, 16 teams would be perfect imo, two home & away rounds giving you 30 games. But that is a very long way off.

My 6 would be Wollongong, Canberra, Auckland, Townsville,  Geelong & Ipswich. I know there is a push for a Tassie team but I just dunno if it could be viable long term.

On the NZ side, our crowd numbers are absolute sh!te.  Can't see them improving much over four years unless Ernie gets us into the grand final in 2015 or 2016.
How could NZ support another team?
(ACFC fans - welcome your inputs)

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

As the A League is riding on an all time high it's an excellent opportunity to expand the league by adding more teams.

I'd like to see 2 more added as soon as possible!

 

You guys know anything about a possible expansion?

How many teams would you like to see in the A League?

Any more NZ teams?

They have said there will be no new teams under this current TV deal, so 2017 at the earliest.

Long term, 16 teams would be perfect imo, two home & away rounds giving you 30 games. But that is a very long way off.

My 6 would be Wollongong, Canberra, Auckland, Townsville,  Geelong & Ipswich. I know there is a push for a Tassie team but I just dunno if it could be viable long term.


On the NZ side, our crowd numbers are absolute sh!te.  Can't see them improving much over four years unless Ernie gets us into the grand final in 2015 or 2016.

How could NZ support another team?

(ACFC fans - welcome your inputs)

'gong - 280k, Canberra - 410k, Townsville - 170k, Geelong - 180k, Hobart - 215k

Auckland has 1.4 mil people, that is massively bigger than any of the Australian options for expansion. They will get another chance at some point but they need to learn from the mistakes of the Knights & Kingz.

Having an Auckland side back in the A-League by 2020 should be a goal for NZF. My preffered option would be a joint venture with the NZ Warriors based out of Mt Smart, as I'm not sure ACFC going pro would be able to unite Auckland football supporters behind them.
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over 12 years ago

Personally I would love to have another team in Auckland, Just so I can get out and watch some football every week. But I couldn't see it being viable. Auckland has had its chances to support a team and we just don't get behind it.

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over 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

As the A League is riding on an all time high it's an excellent opportunity to expand the league by adding more teams.

I'd like to see 2 more added as soon as possible!

 

You guys know anything about a possible expansion?

How many teams would you like to see in the A League?

Any more NZ teams?

They have said there will be no new teams under this current TV deal, so 2017 at the earliest.

Long term, 16 teams would be perfect imo, two home & away rounds giving you 30 games. But that is a very long way off.

My 6 would be Wollongong, Canberra, Auckland, Townsville,  Geelong & Ipswich. I know there is a push for a Tassie team but I just dunno if it could be viable long term.


On the NZ side, our crowd numbers are absolute sh!te.  Can't see them improving much over four years unless Ernie gets us into the grand final in 2015 or 2016.

How could NZ support another team?

(ACFC fans - welcome your inputs)

'gong - 280k, Canberra - 410k, Townsville - 170k, Geelong - 180k, Hobart - 215k

Auckland has 1.4 mil people, that is massively bigger than any of the Australian options for expansion. They will get another chance at some point but they need to learn from the mistakes of the Knights & Kingz.

Having an Auckland side back in the A-League by 2020 should be a goal for NZF. My preffered option would be a joint venture with the NZ Warriors based out of Mt Smart, as I'm not sure ACFC going pro would be able to unite Auckland football supporters behind them.

Just pointing out that whatever the FFA, HAL and the clubs are doing over in the West Island, it seems to be more effective than what's happening over here.
I think our public are well over the novelty factor and since it hasn't been backed up by consistent good results or even total tiki taka, interest in NZ-related football as a whole will struggle.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 12 years ago

It would be great to have a 2nd NZ team. Maybe it'd be a case of 3rd time lucky in Auckland too. By the time a new club would kickoff it would've been a decade or so since the last debacle. Auckland City Council and Auckland rugby and hypothetical new football club could develop a small stadium somewhere more central than Mt Smart or North Harbour - possibly on the Eden Park no 2 ground site. Rectangular, 15,000 seats or so and it could be used for football in summer and provincial rugby in winter. I wonder if a central stadium with good atmosphere would increase Aucklanders' interest in football. Especially with the large immigrant population in Auckland, many of who wouldn't care about rugby but might care about football maybe it could work.

 

I also think that Christchurch could be a potential host for a new NZ team. They'll have a new stadium soon and Cantabrians are usually pretty partisan about their sports teams, plus a large population of ex-pat Brits and Irish live there too.

 

All daydreams at the moment though....

 

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over 12 years ago

There would be more to gain from canterbury than auckland in my opinion. Auckland already have the breakers and warriors, so more competition to compete with on that front, and theres a lot of money and effort going into ACFC and waitak football as it is. Part of the reason why an A-League club has been better in wellington is because we dont have these other aussie franchises to compete with, and the neutrals dont have to choose who they want to go and watch. Would be the same in Chch imo. I say forget auckland all together.

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over 12 years ago

It would be great to have a 2nd NZ team. Maybe it'd be a case of 3rd time lucky in Auckland too. By the time a new club would kickoff it would've been a decade or so since the last debacle. Auckland City Council and Auckland rugby and hypothetical new football club could develop a small stadium somewhere more central than Mt Smart or North Harbour - possibly on the Eden Park no 2 ground site. Rectangular, 15,000 seats or so and it could be used for football in summer and provincial rugby in winter. I wonder if a central stadium with good atmosphere would increase Aucklanders' interest in football. Especially with the large immigrant population in Auckland, many of who wouldn't care about rugby but might care about football maybe it could work.

 

I also think that Christchurch could be a potential host for a new NZ team. They'll have a new stadium soon and Cantabrians are usually pretty partisan about their sports teams, plus a large population of ex-pat Brits and Irish live there too.

 

All daydreams at the moment though....

 

 

If there are so many immigrants living in Auckland, why didn't they support the Knights/Kingz?

 

I live in Christchurch and I must say a team here wouldn't work I don't think.

Rugby support is very strong here, and even their beloved Crusaders don't sell out for the finals games...

And the question I'd have to ask myself is: Could or would I want to support a Chch team now that I'm a Nix Fan?

 

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over 12 years ago

Rumours flying in Chch about Mainland Football's new potential revenue source - a private sugar daddy, would you believe?

So if more football infrastructure is about to be built (so the rumours go), and Chch has a population of approx. 350,000 (and growing in next 10 years) and we have a football-loving, non-gaming trust revenue source, who knows...maybe an A league club is not out of the question.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 12 years ago

In terms of NZ rivalries (grrrrrr), although it would be nice to have any other NZ team in the A-League, I'd much like to have Dorkland.


ChCh/Canty is good too, but so much more satisfying to beat those Northerners.


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over 12 years ago

Will not happen in the foreseeable future... ie ten years. And then if and only if the nix win the league three times and have average crowds if 25000 +.

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over 12 years ago

This


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over 12 years ago

I don't think the FFA would want another NZ team if our current one struggles to be successful and draw reasonable crowds. 

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over 12 years ago
Yes, it's all down to the Phoenix. When we start getting 20k crowd averages and the Phoenix win the league, Auckland will have a chance again. The FFA will see the money and also want to prevent the possibility of us winning the league by spreading the talent. Go the Pheonix



Auckland will rise once more

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over 12 years ago

I would like to see how the other A-League teams were to react if Wellington won the grand final or topped the league but can't play in the AFC Champions League. It would be like giving the finger to Australian footballing fans and you'd think an argument would be made to the AFC to include Wellington and future NZ teams.

Slightly off topic but as someone living in Australia many A-League fans want Wellington gone because they think they add nothing to the league so before another NZ team is added the Nix are going to have to step their game up with regards to performances and off the field work.

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over 12 years ago
Jtoml3 wrote:

I would like to see how the other A-League teams were to react if Wellington won the grand final or topped the league but can't play in the AFC Champions League. It would be like giving the finger to Australian footballing fans and you'd think an argument would be made to the AFC to include Wellington and future NZ teams.

Slightly off topic but as someone living in Australia many A-League fans want Wellington gone because they think they add nothing to the league so before another NZ team is added the Nix are going to have to step their game up with regards to performances and off the field work.

What we bring to the league is another market of potentially 4 million people for TV audiences and so on. I'd imagine the NZ interest in the A League in general would drop off significantly with no kiwi team. I don't know exactly what difference that would make to sponsorship deals and TV rights but I'd guess the FFA/HAL would rather hang onto that money if they can. Fans might think the Nix bring nothing but I'm sure the league itself doesn't feel that way

 

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over 12 years ago

Would like Auckland and poss Canberra side

Heart will eventually move south i reckon


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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

Plus without us HAL would have to fabricate a rivalry between Perth and some other team.


#thenotsodistancederby

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 12 years ago

Just read the article on our struggling domestic league, the ASB Premiership.

Not on TV, hardly any crowds and so on.

What if the ASB Premiership was shut down and instead 2 more A-League teams would be formed?

Auckland City would go pro and so the Dragons in Christchurch?

Of course the FFA would have to support/accommodate this idea., and turn the A-League into something like the Super 15 Rugby competition with teams from both Australia and NZ, and both FFA and NZFootball working together.

Because let's face it the ASBP is just about dead, so why not pump money into Auckland city and a ChCh team?

That way we expand the A-League, NZ gets 3 pro football clubs and finally for once in this damn country

we'd get some sort of football culture going.

 


 

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over 12 years ago

Bwahahahaha


Who pays for it?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Speechless. 


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago

Just read the article on our struggling domestic league, the ASB Premiership.

Not on TV, hardly any crowds and so on.

What if the ASB Premiership was shut down and instead 2 more A-League teams would be formed?

Auckland City would go pro and so the Dragons in Christchurch?

Of course the FFA would have to support/accommodate this idea., and turn the A-League into something like the Super 15 Rugby competition with teams from both Australia and NZ, and both FFA and NZFootball working together.

Because let's face it the ASBP is just about dead, so why not pump money into Auckland city and a ChCh team?

That way we expand the A-League, NZ gets 3 pro football clubs and finally for once in this damn country

we'd get some sort of football culture going.

 


 

Wait, on the previous page you said an A-League team in Christchurch wouldn't work. Which is it?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 12 years ago

Tis the season to be trolly

Troll lol lol lol lol, lol lol lol lol


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago

Yes my personal opinion is that a Chch team wouldn't work, but that's only my impression based on what I get to see and hear around here.

@Jeff Vader, I only made a suggestion as to what could be done, not my job to come up with a financial plan as well...

 

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over 12 years ago

Simples:


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

Just read the article on our struggling domestic league, the ASB Premiership.

Not on TV, hardly any crowds and so on.

What if the ASB Premiership was shut down and instead 2 more A-League teams would be formed?

Auckland City would go pro and so the Dragons in Christchurch?

Of course the FFA would have to support/accommodate this idea., and turn the A-League into something like the Super 15 Rugby competition with teams from both Australia and NZ, and both FFA and NZFootball working together.

Because let's face it the ASBP is just about dead, so why not pump money into Auckland city and a ChCh team?

That way we expand the A-League, NZ gets 3 pro football clubs and finally for once in this damn country

we'd get some sort of football culture going.

 
 


For this discussion to have any prospects, the issue of OFC vs AFC having closer relationship must first be resolved. Neither FFA nor NZF would want to get into a shitfight with AFC as they did over Phoenix being allowed to play in a competition from another federation.  If NZ joins AFC, then we can play in A-League legally, with all ramifications. Until then, I won't waste my breath.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago
chefmivec wrote:
embarrassing that the link does not work you mean.

Really?
Mmm..
Should I not have used the "Insert Link" icon above? I've often had trouble with this site re posting links & images since it's last revamp.
Buggered if I know what the issue is so I'll just post the article in full.


"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

Sam Malcolmson: Phoenix will rise, but we need an Auckland team

5:30 AM Saturday Dec 28

Despite their struggles I'm convinced the Phoenix will soon be a force in the A-league again. More importantly, though, I believe the time is right for the A-league administration and New Zealand Football to consider establishing a new franchise in Auckland.

Yes, I can hear the cry that the Kingz and the Knights were dismal failures. But the A-league has progressed as a professional organisation since those embarrassing days. A new franchise will also learn from those mistakes and the success of the Phoenix in their infancy. There are enough well-heeled business people in Auckland to relish this challenge.

Phoenix coach Ernie Merrick is on the right track with the attractive style of soccer they are playing, and even a 25 per cent success rate from the strikers would have them in the top four. Once Merrick can offload a few players and sign his own, they will be title challengers.

The standard of the A-league has dropped this season but such is its closeness and unpredictability that I agree with Merrick's prediction that the Phoenix will make the playoffs.

My major concern is the poor crowds - the last two home games have attracted only around 6000 spectators. That is a big problem when you consider that last Sunday's game was played on a beautiful evening, with a late kickoff making it attractive for families during the school holidays.

That match against Sydney City highlighted that the Phoenix are really a Wellington team. Only four New Zealanders started the game and one of those, Andrew Durante, is a recently naturalised Australian.

This is not a criticism, but an observation that the pathway to professional soccer for New Zealand youngsters is restricted.

Added to that, the national league is a dismal competition and interest sparks only for the O-league, where Auckland and Waitakere have represented New Zealand well.

An Auckland A-league team, based at North Harbour Stadium, would offer more opportunities for our youngsters as well as reinvigorating the world's number one game in the country's biggest city.

Auckland's population of 1.5 million must surely be able to maintain a successful and popular A-league team. It would also be easier to attract high quality overseas foundation players and coaches to a multi-cultural city like Auckland.

How about Ryan Nelsen as the coach and a player such as one of the Manchester United legends Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes as the marquee signing who would double as assistant coach. Happy New Year, and be safe in 2014.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=11178575&ref=rss




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about 12 years ago

Jesus wept what a fucking terrible piece of writing

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about 12 years ago


writing thoughts while holidaying and drinking too much beer is bad

I LOVE LAMP

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about 12 years ago

I have no idea why this piece of nonsense went to print without the sports editor wiping his ass with it. Our young Sam clearly hasn't done his research prior to typing it up on his trusty smartphone while lying by the poolside with a glass of Christmas bubbles.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago

"Sydney City", everyone knows we're Sydney Hakoah!


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