Auckland FC - Once the Knights, Always the Knights

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Any speculation about what happens re: Men's National League in respect of a future Auckland based A-League, and their (presumed) reserve teams?

Auckland Reserves slotted into Northern League with enough notice that either 10th team in Northern League gets relegated or only 1 gets promoted from NRFL Championship that year in order to free up a spot. (and something similar bubbling down into leagues below).

National League portion becomes 12 team league with extra Northern spot reserved for Auckland Reserves and a 3rd South Island spot to avoid byes.

To avoid prospect of National League being 5 Auckland, 4 Wellington, and 3 Christchurch sides, qualification tweaked so that at least 1 side from each of Northern, WaiBop, Central, Capital, Mainland, Football South is guaranteed a spot. So this year Hamilton (6th) qualify ahead of Manurewa (4th), and Dunedin City Royals (4th)  qualify ahead of Coastal Spirit (3rd) for 3rd Southern spot.
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I'm being very idealistic I know, and I don't hate the vancouver idea tbh, but I just feel like an Auckland A-league team's needs are specific enough that a purposed stadium shouldn't be out of the question. It's needs attendance-wise will probably not be as great as League and Union's, and besides, the Warriors seem very happy at Mt Smart and I wouldn't be surprised (but don't hold me against this) if the Blues are still politically tied to Eden Park with Auckland Rugby being a private benefactor.

No matter how good a team's fans are, you can't produce a great matchday experience when a stadium is 50% empty. Say the team produces 2000-3000 active supporters. At Eden Park that's probably 1-2 blocks, but at a boutique stadium that could be the entire stand behind a goal - everyone in the venue could either be in the active support zone, or have a clear cut view of it. Great for TV and sponsors too. Plus maybe an opportunity to experiment with safe-standing which I imagine wouldn't fly with other codes?

I have no idea if the economics checks out, but if we have an opportunity to give the new team a genuine home, as so many teams overseas are able to take for granted, that would be pretty massive.
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I want the "Newton Irredentism" stadium built over Spaghetti Junction, that would be almost worth having the Mowbrays involved

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Yeah, because after a $25m franchise fee, the owners will want to spend $200m on a boutique  stadium, am I right? 
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zonknz
Any speculation about what happens re: Men's National League in respect of a future Auckland based A-League, and their (presumed) reserve teams?

Auckland Reserves slotted into Northern League with enough notice that either 10th team in Northern League gets relegated or only 1 gets promoted from NRFL Championship that year in order to free up a spot. (and something similar bubbling down into leagues below).

National League portion becomes 12 team league with extra Northern spot reserved for Auckland Reserves and a 3rd South Island spot to avoid byes.

To avoid prospect of National League being 5 Auckland, 4 Wellington, and 3 Christchurch sides, qualification tweaked so that at least 1 side from each of Northern, WaiBop, Central, Capital, Mainland, Football South is guaranteed a spot. So this year Hamilton (6th) qualify ahead of Manurewa (4th), and Dunedin City Royals (4th)  qualify ahead of Coastal Spirit (3rd) for 3rd Southern spot.
Later suggestion is ridiculous - may as well not have the qualifying system if you're gonna have crazy caveats like that. Don't forget in 2022 Nelson Suburbs came 3rd, with Dunedin City Royals 3rd in 2021, so it's already attainable for these clubs. 
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Yeah, because after a $25m franchise fee, the owners will want to spend $200m on a boutique  stadium, am I right? 
Probably not, but who can say until we know how much capital the team will have access to. There are clearly many teams worldwide that don't see stadium infrastructure as a bad investment.
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zonknz
Any speculation about what happens re: Men's National League in respect of a future Auckland based A-League, and their (presumed) reserve teams?

Auckland Reserves slotted into Northern League with enough notice that either 10th team in Northern League gets relegated or only 1 gets promoted from NRFL Championship that year in order to free up a spot. (and something similar bubbling down into leagues below).

National League portion becomes 12 team league with extra Northern spot reserved for Auckland Reserves and a 3rd South Island spot to avoid byes.

To avoid prospect of National League being 5 Auckland, 4 Wellington, and 3 Christchurch sides, qualification tweaked so that at least 1 side from each of Northern, WaiBop, Central, Capital, Mainland, Football South is guaranteed a spot. So this year Hamilton (6th) qualify ahead of Manurewa (4th), and Dunedin City Royals (4th)  qualify ahead of Coastal Spirit (3rd) for 3rd Southern spot.
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zonknz
Any speculation about what happens re: Men's National League in respect of a future Auckland based A-League, and their (presumed) reserve teams?

Auckland Reserves slotted into Northern League with enough notice that either 10th team in Northern League gets relegated or only 1 gets promoted from NRFL Championship that year in order to free up a spot. (and something similar bubbling down into leagues below).

National League portion becomes 12 team league with extra Northern spot reserved for Auckland Reserves and a 3rd South Island spot to avoid byes.

To avoid prospect of National League being 5 Auckland, 4 Wellington, and 3 Christchurch sides, qualification tweaked so that at least 1 side from each of Northern, WaiBop, Central, Capital, Mainland, Football South is guaranteed a spot. So this year Hamilton (6th) qualify ahead of Manurewa (4th), and Dunedin City Royals (4th)  qualify ahead of Coastal Spirit (3rd) for 3rd Southern spot.
Forcing culture is not a good idea, you have to let it build itself. Clubs from Hamilton and Dunedin will have their chances in the future as the domestic game improves all over the country.

No one wants teams included if they don’t deserve to be there
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Will a second NZ team mean a change re how Australasian players are regarded? At the moment NZ players are considered to be locals at the Nix, but imports across the ditch. Aussies are considered locals in both countries. 
Any thoughts on how it might work with the new Auckland team in the mix?  
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Will a second NZ team mean a change re how Australasian players are regarded? At the moment NZ players are considered to be locals at the Nix, but imports across the ditch. Aussies are considered locals in both countries. 
Any thoughts on how it might work with the new Auckland team in the mix?  

I doubt that bridge will be crossed until the new team is confirmed. I'd expect current situation will continue. In the NZ players are considered local for the NZ teams only.
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Yeah, because after a $25m franchise fee, the owners will want to spend $200m on a boutique  stadium, am I right? 
Probably not, but who can say until we know how much capital the team will have access to. There are clearly many teams worldwide that don't see stadium infrastructure as a bad investment.

My other team PAFC have rebuilt their stadium with focus on non match day revenue which has turned the club around. 

Both Wellington and Auckland need 20/30k seat stadiums with space for events that are not concerts or rugby/football/league.
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I’m asking in a serious way, as I’m not sure of all the possibilitys and where you are coming from? Examples of events that would be hosted that couldn’t be catered by existing facilities?

What do Plymouth host there?
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We can all get a bit excited whenever a new stadium is mentioned but the financial reality is that we have enough stadia in NZ for our current population and purposes. Auckland cant even support the ones they have without building another one and white-elephanting those left.
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I’m asking in a serious way, as I’m not sure of all the possibilitys and where you are coming from? Examples of events that would be hosted that couldn’t be catered by existing facilities?

What do Plymouth host there?
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I’m asking in a serious way, as I’m not sure of all the possibilitys and where you are coming from? Examples of events that would be hosted that couldn’t be catered by existing facilities?

What do Plymouth host there?
 Looking at their website, things like conferences, wedding, concerts, much like venues such as Eden Park / Alexandra Park /Ellerslie Race Course do already..  I guess building the facility with that multi-purpose use in mind right from day 1.
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We can all get a bit excited whenever a new stadium is mentioned but the financial reality is that we have enough stadia in NZ for our current population and purposes. Auckland cant even support the ones they have without building another one and white-elephanting those left.
AucklandPhoenix
I’m asking in a serious way, as I’m not sure of all the possibilitys and where you are coming from? Examples of events that would be hosted that couldn’t be catered by existing facilities?

What do Plymouth host there?

As has been mentioned frequently, plans to build a new downtown stadium on Auckland's Waterfront, are contingent on Eden Park eventually being demolished and that whole area being developed for housing (likely high density). At face value it doesn't seem that stupid for a city with a chronic housing supply problem, and EP being well located to transport services etc.

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We can all get a bit excited whenever a new stadium is mentioned but the financial reality is that we have enough stadia in NZ for our current population and purposes. Auckland cant even support the ones they have without building another one and white-elephanting those left.
AucklandPhoenix
I’m asking in a serious way, as I’m not sure of all the possibilitys and where you are coming from? Examples of events that would be hosted that couldn’t be catered by existing facilities?

What do Plymouth host there?

As has been mentioned frequently, plans to build a new downtown stadium on Auckland's Waterfront, are contingent on Eden Park eventually being demolished and that whole area being developed for housing (likely high density). At face value it doesn't seem that stupid for a city with a chronic housing supply problem, and EP being well located to transport services etc.


And with North Harbour Stadium possibly facing a similar fate to the best of my understanding. So would very much be a case of consolidating and reforming the city's stadium plan rather than just expand expand expand
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Yep it’s really not that difficult. Rugby, league and football at a downtown stadium. Cricket at western springs and speedway at mt smart. Concerts can be at one or more of the three. Selling the land at eden park and North Harbour for housing would go a long way to making it happen. We need the housing land in those areas and the CBD needs some investment and something to reinvigorate itself as it’s dire at the moment. 
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You're sadly forgetting the NIMBY factor. Western Springs for cricket is obvious but those speedway types will die in a ditch before they move
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Yep it’s really not that difficult. Rugby, league and football at a downtown stadium. Cricket at western springs and speedway at mt smart. Concerts can be at one or more of the three. Selling the land at eden park and North Harbour for housing would go a long way to making it happen. We need the housing land in those areas and the CBD needs some investment and something to reinvigorate itself as it’s dire at the moment. 

Yep, this is the most logical plan.
The only extra consideration is that somewhere like Albany may still be required if you have All Blacks/Blues, Warriors and a new football club all sharing the same home ground. 
2 different sports have been done in many stadium's as semi-rare one offs but I wonder if 3 teams becomes a bit of a logistical nightmare? 
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And the other logical point that a stadium on the waterfront is a big lump of concrete when there is no game. It obscures views and prevents access. If it has to be able to have ABs internationals of 40k it’ll suck for 10k crowds. 

I’d rather keep Eden Park tbh. There should be test cricket there, but cricket is such a mess internationally we can’t blame NZC for that. 

Warriors quite keen to move out of Mt Smart are they? Fans that is. 

And if you’re imagining 3 codes at one stadium, that means a good deal of scheduling clashes and no concerts, home shows, etc etc…

Add to the fact that EP number 2 seems to be a natural flood zone thingy. I mean it hasn’t stopped developers, even as some houses become insurable, but it’s just another thing to consider during the summer storm season…
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Listening to wood on the between two beers podcast he definitely sounds like he is coming to nz for a year, with or without football.

Logic is it would be with, so when he is too old and unwanted by the premiership the timing will be interesting and which franchise gets him.
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Still waiting for confirmation that the Auckland team is over the line with an owner in place, and the money needed to make the dream fly. They play their first game in a little over 12 months, and there will be a huge amount of work to be done before that happens.  
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You're sadly forgetting the NIMBY factor. Western Springs for cricket is obvious but those speedway types will die in a ditch before they move

same with the league fdanbase, I can't see the Warriors fans being keen on leaving Mt Smart anytime soon.
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You're sadly forgetting the NIMBY factor. Western Springs for cricket is obvious but those speedway types will die in a ditch before they move

same with the league fdanbase, I can't see the Warriors fans being keen on leaving Mt Smart anytime soon.
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What is  the epl club linked with the Auckland franchise as per the Herald? 
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Behind the pay thing. Anyone know who it is? 


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https://archive.ph/wtnaH

Just a bit of waffle and carry on. No names mentioned and no clubs named... 
FFS, and that was behind a paywall?! 

Bugger all detail there sorry folks, the absolute definition of a clickbait article.

**Article was too distorted to copy and paste**
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I was thinking a while ago that Brighton would be a good club to have a partnership/relationship with. 
Right colour scheme / Seagulls 
Also they're probably the only top team that no one hates 🤣
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One snippet of new news is that Tim Brown maybe involved. Sounds like the Ali Williams/Mowbray family bid ain't going to happen.

The (bid) group is believed to include;
  • Mitchell, an American technology entrepreneur and lawyer, who has settled in Auckland. Has a shareholding in the Breakers, along with other local and international investments in the tech, media and sporting space. He is listed as the sole director of Auckland Football Limited, a company that was set up in July.
  • Budge, who worked for the Australian Open and WTA tours, before becoming ASB Classic tournament director in 2012. He took the event to new heights over eight iterations before stepping away in 2021. He is currently the Asia-Pacific director for Sail GP.
  • Vuksich, one of the most respected figures in Auckland club football, Vuksich has been the driving force behind Central United and Auckland City for decades. A big factor behind Auckland City’s 10 appearances in the Fifa Club World Cup, which was highlighted by a third-place finish in 2014, he has unparalleled knowledge of the local landscape.
Others believed to be involved include property developer Alex Sipka, who has been Vuksich’s business partner in a proposed A-League venture in Auckland for several years, since the duo registered a company, Auckland FC in 2021.

All Birds founder and former Wellington Phoenix and New Zealand representative Tim Brown has also been linked with the project, though the nature of his involvement is unclear.

The group has already presented their proposal to New Zealand Football. They have also met with Northern Region football and club representatives.
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The plans for the new Auckland A-League franchise have taken a dramatic twist, with a stunning late bid associated with an English Premier League club.

After six months of negotiations, discussions and meetings, which had seen a high-powered local consortium emerge as the frontrunners to take the licence for the team from the 2024-2025 season, there was a significant development in recent weeks.

The Herald understands that the owner of an EPL club has entered the race, which could significantly up the financial stakes involved, as Australian Professional Leagues, the governing body behind the A-League Men and A League Women, consider the respective offers.

Given the timeframe of the bid, it’s unlikely to have significant detail behind it, with the scale of what will be required to set up two new teams (male and female) and the infrastructure behind it, including sponsors, commercial and football staff and players in less than a year.
But the potential Premier League investors are likely to have no shortage of financial resources, which could catch APL’s eye and delay their decision.

The EPL is the richest football league in the world and one of the most lucrative sporting competitions on the planet. Fourteen of the 20 clubs have offshore owners and the majority are billionaire individuals, investment groups or state-backed sovereign wealth funds.
The move could be interpreted as a setback for the local consortium, though not necessarily insurmountable, given the individuals involved.
It’s understood they were close to getting the green light a few weeks ago, as negotiations had almost concluded with APL, before the emergence of the late offer.

American tech entrepreneur and Breakers minority owner Marc Mitchell is believed to be leading the local consortium, along with long-time former ASB Classic boss Karl Budge. Highly respected Auckland City FC chairman Ivan Vuksich is also understood to be involved.

The licence fee to join the league was initially priced between $20 and $27 million.
While there have been various initiatives and hopes for a team for years – with Vuksich a driving force behind the scenes – those dreams came closer to reality back in March, when APL chief executive Danny Townsend announced the intention for two new teams, in Auckland and Canberra.

Auckland was seen as a large, untapped area and the biggest new market available. It came out on top in numerous metrics, including population base, commercial opportunities and participation numbers.

The A-League ownership model includes the existing 12 clubs, the Silver Lake group and Viacom CBS. Auckland hasn’t had an A-League franchise since 2007, when the New Zealand Knights folded and the license was moved to Wellington. The Knights had completed two seasons, preceded by the Football Kingz between 1999-2004.

In March Townsend told the Herald the APL envisaged the new club would have a mix of local investors and international backers. He acknowledged that football clubs tended to attract interest from around the globe but said a local flavour was critical. Townsend initially set a soft deadline of July.
That confirmation of APL’s vision kickstarted a flurry of activity in football, sporting and business circles here, which eventually resulted in the consolidation of an impressive network. The group is believed to include;

  • Mitchell, an American technology entrepreneur and lawyer, who has settled in Auckland. Has a shareholding in the Breakers, along with other local and international investments in the tech, media and sporting space. He is listed as the sole director of Auckland Football Limited, a company that was set up in July.
  • Budge, who worked for the Australian Open and WTA tours, before becoming ASB Classic tournament director in 2012. He took the event to new heights over eight iterations before stepping away in 2021. He is currently the Asia-Pacific director for Sail GP.
  • Vuksich, one of the most respected figures in Auckland club football, Vuksich has been the driving force behind Central United and Auckland City for decades. A big factor behind Auckland City’s 10 appearances in the Fifa Club World Cup, which was highlighted by a third-place finish in 2014, he has unparalleled knowledge of the local landscape.
Others believed to be involved include property developer Alex Sipka, who has been Vuksich’s business partner in a proposed A-League venture in Auckland for several years, since the duo registered a company, Auckland FC in 2021.

All Birds founder and former Wellington Phoenix and New Zealand representative Tim Brown has also been linked with the project, though the nature of his involvement is unclear.
The group has already presented their proposal to New Zealand Football. They have also met with Northern Region football and club representatives.

Their plan is for the team to be based at Go Media Stadium Mt Smart. They would need to share the facility with the Warriors, though the respective seasons only overlap for a short period and there are perceived to be a lot of advantages.

When contacted, Budge said he was unable to comment on his possible involvement.
In an interview with the Herald several weeks ago, Vuksich confirmed his ongoing interest in an A-League venture but wasn’t able to go into specifics. “It’s not something I can talk about right now,” said Vuksich.

Earlier this month NZF chief executive Andrew Pragnell told the Herald that everything was heading in a positive direction but there was still “further steps to be taken.”
At the time of writing, Townsend was unable for comment when requested by the Herald.


Absolutely nothing in that article sorry Mike. 😅
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Awww man, from the reactionary Mowbrays to Trump donor Foley :( Can't we have George Soros or a more liberal billionaire tyrant?
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Awww man, from the reactionary Mowbrays to Trump donor Foley :( Can't we have George Soros or a more liberal billionaire tyrant?
Better that than the ownership bids the Jets have got (or rather, absolute lack of)
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The black knights - sounds scary as 
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Helps fire up the rivalry easily enough 😂 the Auckland trumpies 
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Doloras
Awww man, from the reactionary Mowbrays to Trump donor Foley :( Can't we have George Soros or a more liberal billionaire tyrant?
Better that than the ownership bids the Jets have got (or rather, absolute lack of)
I can't understand why the YF at Jets matches haven't started a "WE PAY YOUR WAGES" chant or similar
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