I'm honestly now sure why "DIYs" is an insult either. Is "do-it-yourself" not a good thing?
I just read that nonsense and remember why I would never live in Auckland. And why there will be such a rivalry between the two teams. It'll be like NZ vs Auckland (The JAFAs) come the derby games.
Edit - I mean reading the FB post.
I mean it’s interesting. Communists, anti-fascists and certainly pacifists have contributed a lot to NZ society.
I think in poetry of Hone Tuwhare and history Dick Scott, the young adult writing of Elsie Locke, as well as the Baxters, Archibald in particular. And I’m sure many more like Hone Fowler (going on the word of those above) who act locally and energetically. Our nuclear free movement didn’t come from a vacuum.
As well, if your best critique of your society comes from within its mainstream you are missing a lot.
If it’s nonsense you wonder why so many on American college campuses are throwing their degrees away for it.
And why there have been so many people triggered by it existing. You wouldn’t know from the news and I certainly didn’t. Standing for some coherent principles used to be a kiwi thing! When we were richer it was easier I guess.
I mean yeh- Welly is more trendy liberals and fewer getting stuck in agrarian or community board type lefties I guess 😉…I heard a lot of complaints about the hiring and firing practices of certain cool cafes in the 90s…
Max Mata is an awesome signing. If it’s a loan do the parent club typically pay wages or is it case by case?
From my Football Manager 2008 experience, clubs can pay anything between 0% and 100% of the players wages. I assume the parent club pays the rest.
For the A-League, after the Victory rorted the cap by paying a loan fee for Rogic & Troisi which avoided the salary cap, they changed the way loans are counted for salary cap purposes to this afaik:
The amount included in the salary cap would be the higher of:
a) the actual amount paid by the Club in relation to that Player (including amounts paid to the parent club and amounts paid directly to that Player); and b) 50% of that Player's Salary with the parent club.
Just an FYI - someone copied the below Tamaki AFC manifesto (for want of a better word) and posted it up on the Port's FB page, in a less than complimentary manner ('Wtf is this shark lmao')
In my opinion the Port in response posting the right sort of reply. Just an FYI, and yeah onto matters football.
The first we have heard of this is today, it’s not our style in The Port to mix politics with football and so far no one has been in touch with us from this group.
First and foremost, The Port is for ALL Auckland FC fans. We are intentionally independent and non-political. We are all different but at the end of the day, football and Auckland unite us. We exist to support our club and to build a passionate support base for Auckland FC, that’s it.
We’re preemptively closing out the comments to prevent the opportunity for division and negativity before a ball has even been kicked.
We’re not going to stop anyone setting up their own group. If that sounds good to you, go for it, and know you’re always welcome with us too anytime.
See you at the bar and in Bay 22 UTP!
Auckland FC, Beers, the Port
Doloras
A challenger to The Port appears.
Introducing TĀMAKI AFC - Aotearoa Football's Left-Wing Ultras
A-League football's newest professional club, Auckland FC, will feature a proudly Left-wing active support group.
The "Tamāki AFC" (standing for "anti-fascist crew") will be cheering on the "Black Knights" from Bay 25 at Rarotonga Mount Smart Stadium, alongside other active support groups.
Tāmaki AFC are inspired by overseas Left-wing "ultra" groups such as Celtic FC (Scotland)'s "Green Brigade", AEK Athens (Greece)'s "Original 21", Dulwich Hamlet (England)'s "Rabble", or the infamous ultras of FC St. Pauli (Germany).
The group is first and foremost an active support group, like Wellington Phoenix's Yellow Fever. But it is explicitly and openly decolonial, anticapitalist. and antifascist. It opposes all forms of homophobia and transphobia in football - and in football fandom - as well as the dominance of big money over grassroots club culture. It supports fair pay and conditions for all those working in football, from star players to stadium cleaners and everyone in between.
No matter what form of Left-wing politics you identify with - or none at all - all football fans who agree with the group's kaupapa and want to have a good time are welcome to join in:
1. WE ARE ACTIVE SUPPORT We support Auckland FC, Manukau United and possibly other football clubs in Tāmaki Makaurau/Auckland through chanting, singing, flags, banners/tifos, dancing, support outside the stadium, etc. We want to make sure our team(s) game have as big and fun an atmosphere as possible.
2. WE'RE FOR LANDBACK AND CONSTITUTIONAL TRANSFORMATION We acknowledge that in both so-called New Zealand and Australia we are on stolen lands under illegitimate colonial governments. We do what we can to oppose and end colonisation all over the Pacific, and the world.
3. ANTI-FASCIST, ANTI-CAPITALIST AND PRO-SOLIDARITY Our guiding principle is that FOOTBALL IS FOR ALL. We oppose racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia, in football fandom and in wider society. We stand in solidarity with the oppressed and victims of imperialism worldwide. We also offer no political support to the billionaire owners of Auckland FC nor the capitalist A-League model - we are here for the fans, the players and the community.
4. WE ARE INTERNATIONALISTS We seek to create ties of friendship with other leftist Ultras groups in the A-league and around the world, and seek to inspire the creation of leftist ultra groups where they don't exist in the A-league.
5. WE ARE FOR PEOPLE'S CLUBS AND LEAGUES We want a club accessible to fans, with affordable ticket prices, food and drink prices, free public transport to the ground and increasing fan ownership of all clubs in the A-league. We want all staff including contractors to be on at least a living wage, pay equity between women and men's teams, and for the club to choose sustainable practices. We want safe standing areas and club genuinely connected to our diverse communities and actively contributing to grassroots football.
6. WE ARE A UNITED FRONT OF THE BROAD LEFT We are a group for all those who support this kaupapa, regardless if they be anarcho-communists, Labour Party supporters, or anywhere in between. We stand and have fun alongside fellow fans whom we have serious political differences, and discuss those differences in a comradely manner after the game (if at all).
Facebook group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/904892314618830
Just an FYI - someone copied the below Tamaki AFC manifesto (for want of a better word) and posted it up on the Port's FB page, in a less than complimentary manner.
In my opinion the Port in response posting the right sort of reply. Just an FYI, and yeah onto matters football.
The first we have heard of this is today, it’s not our style in The Port to mix politics with football and so far no one has been in touch with us from this group.
First and foremost, The Port is for ALL Auckland FC fans. We are intentionally independent and non-political. We are all different but at the end of the day, football and Auckland unite us. We exist to support our club and to build a passionate support base for Auckland FC, that’s it.
We’re preemptively closing out the comments to prevent the opportunity for division and negativity before a ball has even been kicked.
We’re not going to stop anyone setting up their own group. If that sounds good to you, go for it, and know you’re always welcome with us too anytime.
See you at the bar and in Bay 22 UTP!
Auckland FC, Beers, the Port
Doloras
A challenger to The Port appears.
Introducing TĀMAKI AFC - Aotearoa Football's Left-Wing Ultras
A-League football's newest professional club, Auckland FC, will feature a proudly Left-wing active support group.
The "Tamāki AFC" (standing for "anti-fascist crew") will be cheering on the "Black Knights" from Bay 25 at Rarotonga Mount Smart Stadium, alongside other active support groups.
Tāmaki AFC are inspired by overseas Left-wing "ultra" groups such as Celtic FC (Scotland)'s "Green Brigade", AEK Athens (Greece)'s "Original 21", Dulwich Hamlet (England)'s "Rabble", or the infamous ultras of FC St. Pauli (Germany).
The group is first and foremost an active support group, like Wellington Phoenix's Yellow Fever. But it is explicitly and openly decolonial, anticapitalist. and antifascist. It opposes all forms of homophobia and transphobia in football - and in football fandom - as well as the dominance of big money over grassroots club culture. It supports fair pay and conditions for all those working in football, from star players to stadium cleaners and everyone in between.
No matter what form of Left-wing politics you identify with - or none at all - all football fans who agree with the group's kaupapa and want to have a good time are welcome to join in:
1. WE ARE ACTIVE SUPPORT We support Auckland FC, Manukau United and possibly other football clubs in Tāmaki Makaurau/Auckland through chanting, singing, flags, banners/tifos, dancing, support outside the stadium, etc. We want to make sure our team(s) game have as big and fun an atmosphere as possible.
2. WE'RE FOR LANDBACK AND CONSTITUTIONAL TRANSFORMATION We acknowledge that in both so-called New Zealand and Australia we are on stolen lands under illegitimate colonial governments. We do what we can to oppose and end colonisation all over the Pacific, and the world.
3. ANTI-FASCIST, ANTI-CAPITALIST AND PRO-SOLIDARITY Our guiding principle is that FOOTBALL IS FOR ALL. We oppose racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia, in football fandom and in wider society. We stand in solidarity with the oppressed and victims of imperialism worldwide. We also offer no political support to the billionaire owners of Auckland FC nor the capitalist A-League model - we are here for the fans, the players and the community.
4. WE ARE INTERNATIONALISTS We seek to create ties of friendship with other leftist Ultras groups in the A-league and around the world, and seek to inspire the creation of leftist ultra groups where they don't exist in the A-league.
5. WE ARE FOR PEOPLE'S CLUBS AND LEAGUES We want a club accessible to fans, with affordable ticket prices, food and drink prices, free public transport to the ground and increasing fan ownership of all clubs in the A-league. We want all staff including contractors to be on at least a living wage, pay equity between women and men's teams, and for the club to choose sustainable practices. We want safe standing areas and club genuinely connected to our diverse communities and actively contributing to grassroots football.
6. WE ARE A UNITED FRONT OF THE BROAD LEFT We are a group for all those who support this kaupapa, regardless if they be anarcho-communists, Labour Party supporters, or anywhere in between. We stand and have fun alongside fellow fans whom we have serious political differences, and discuss those differences in a comradely manner after the game (if at all).
Facebook group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/904892314618830
Seems like they've got the right idea, football groups should be inclusive to all! I can't imagine the Yellow Fever coming out and saying they only want a select group of people joining.
That’s classy from The Port. If you want a similar vibe to the Fever buy your tickets there I guess!
For some people they’re into CrossFit, others like eating kale and organics, some have strong religious views, others strong politics, for some their sexuality or gender identity is focal, for others their ethnicity, history and culture…and for some it’s their private thing and for others it’s an important public statement of who they are. It’s something of a new thing for NZ to combine that with supporting a football club. The old Aussie league went too far with ethnic clubs that often spilled over into violence between groups that clashed in the distant past. We see a lot of support for rainbow communities in a general sense, if not so much so that we see a lot of openly gay or bisexual famous footballers.
And as Doloras said above you’re talking about people who are sincere enough about these values to go to Gaza and drive aid trucks.
But at the end of the day if it’s all about the football and positivity in the end that’s fine by me.
And the Fever is exclusive- for example we’re not that keen on violent or racist fascist inspired fans who are part of active support in parts of Europe. But that’s not much of a big call in NZ.
In order to be an active support zone with standing and tifos they must have been in contact with the club. And if they haven’t been that’s a particularly poor start that should be rectified asap, because standing zones are not a given and do have to be granted imo.
If there’s no mutual respect as fans there’ll be a problem, but so far there’s only been negativity from one direction. Though I also think it’s rather poor to disparage your ownership in the specific, rather than the ownership model in general compared to say Germany.
But yeh, we’ll see I guess! The football side of things has been impressive this week.
As we sometimes hear the chant - " We're here to watch the football". Hence no one in Wellington gives a shark about the politics or the social diversity. - It's about the football. The rest is up to the individual to accept or deal with as they see fit. Hence very few if any issues inside Sky stadium.
I'll let the T-AFC crew know that The Port would appreciate reaching out. It's certainly politer than the pre-emptive boot they got from the Auckland FC Facebook group lol
Some of the responses have been... well, it's not PC to say "hysterical" any more, but however you say "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time". But there was an excellent discussion on Reddit with a fellow who wanted to make a Michael Joseph Savage tifo
If the balance is 99 chuds yelling HOPE YOU DIE, GO TRUMP and 1 lefty fan getting interested, that's mission accomplished
Is forming a supporters group with the main intention of projecting your hard-left political leanings on otherwise unsuspecting folk just trying to enjoy 90 minutes of escapism on a Saturday afternoon not in itself fairly hysterical... or as Doloras puts it "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time"
Is forming a supporters group with the main intention of projecting your hard-left political leanings on otherwise unsuspecting folk just trying to enjoy 90 minutes of escapism on a Saturday afternoon not in itself fairly hysterical... or as Doloras puts it "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time"
go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The Fudge Up " at us. it only makes our opinions Worse
I'll let the T-AFC crew know that The Port would appreciate reaching out. It's certainly politer than the pre-emptive boot they got from the Auckland FC Facebook group lol
Some of the responses have been... well, it's not PC to say "hysterical" any more, but however you say "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time". But there was an excellent discussion on Reddit with a fellow who wanted to make a Michael Joseph Savage tifo
If the balance is 99 chuds yelling HOPE YOU DIE, GO TRUMP and 1 lefty fan getting interested, that's mission accomplished
Only the best people get the boot from the Auckland FC facebook group.
Is forming a supporters group with the main intention of projecting your hard-left political leanings on otherwise unsuspecting folk just trying to enjoy 90 minutes of escapism on a Saturday afternoon not in itself fairly hysterical... or as Doloras puts it "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time"
go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The Fudge Up " at us. it only makes our opinions Worse
I'll let the T-AFC crew know that The Port would appreciate reaching out. It's certainly politer than the pre-emptive boot they got from the Auckland FC Facebook group lol
Some of the responses have been... well, it's not PC to say "hysterical" any more, but however you say "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time". But there was an excellent discussion on Reddit with a fellow who wanted to make a Michael Joseph Savage tifo
If the balance is 99 chuds yelling HOPE YOU DIE, GO TRUMP and 1 lefty fan getting interested, that's mission accomplished
Only the best people get the boot from the Auckland FC facebook group.
Only the people who don't answer the 4 simple questions when you ask to join the group, get booted. They even get a 2nd chance.
I'll let the T-AFC crew know that The Port would appreciate reaching out. It's certainly politer than the pre-emptive boot they got from the Auckland FC Facebook group lol
Some of the responses have been... well, it's not PC to say "hysterical" any more, but however you say "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time". But there was an excellent discussion on Reddit with a fellow who wanted to make a Michael Joseph Savage tifo
If the balance is 99 chuds yelling HOPE YOU DIE, GO TRUMP and 1 lefty fan getting interested, that's mission accomplished
Only the best people get the boot from the Auckland FC facebook group.
Only the people who don't answer the 4 simple questions when you ask to join the group, get booted. They even get a 2nd chance.
Tamaki AFC should also tell the club of their plans, as that's the right thing to do. To not would show a lack of respect. The club can then have a chat to Red Badge (or whoever has the security contract) in need. Lets face it's security staff in NZ ain't always the sharpest, and could be woefully ill prepared if there is sadly any unpleasant nastiness on match day in Penrose.
Innocent paying fans (esp those with kids) deserve to enjoy watching their football, without other heavily emotional people shouting nasty stuff at each other nearby, which could happen. Would be totally naive, to completely rule out trouble from occurring. No heavy handed security stuff, but just a an informed ready presence nearby.
Stadium staff at say FC St Pauli have had decades of experience to stop any problems. I doubt the ultras of Tamaki AFC will be anywhere that level! But as the incident at the ROF involving VUC fans this ALM season showed, you can never be too prepared, and again Red Badge always seem pretty dozy on this sort of thing.
Is forming a supporters group with the main intention of projecting your hard-left political leanings on otherwise unsuspecting folk just trying to enjoy 90 minutes of escapism on a Saturday afternoon not in itself fairly hysterical... or as Doloras puts it "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time"
go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The Fudge Up " at us. it only makes our opinions Worse
If folks want to shout at each other over internet forums that's their business. But 'fans' shouting at each other at a football game in NZ, that would be really shark outcome in my opinion.
If you think that is acceptable collateral damage, just to voice your views of whatever hue, then yeah borderline narcissism.
Is forming a supporters group with the main intention of projecting your hard-left political leanings on otherwise unsuspecting folk just trying to enjoy 90 minutes of escapism on a Saturday afternoon not in itself fairly hysterical... or as Doloras puts it "emotionally overwrought, unconnected with reality, and funny at the same time"
While having a word to security etc. sounds like a good idea, I'm still processing the idea that there may be "trouble".
I have no idea what Tamaki AFC's plans will be on match days. Maybe it will all just be harmless good natured stuff. But their manifesto (again for want of a better word) is clearly strongly political and/or ideological. You more than anyone Doloras should know that few things stir the emotions more strongly than politics. Around the world we see increasingly divisive lines being drawn. The red mist everywhere.
You'd be totally okay with a group of folks at Mt Smart, waving ACT Party flags, holding 'I love David', 'Review the Treaty' banners? Is 100% zero chance you might say something to them, entering, in the ground, or leaving? And if you did speak to them, it's going to be 100% just 'good banter' - not an ugly word spoken, even if slightly imbibed?
Hopefully I'm completely wrong, but I sense some trouble. Best Tamaki AFC talks to the club.
I mean there have been a few ‘heavy emotional people’ reacting so far and it’s been yourself Coochie and a couple of others.
It’s not our club, unless you’ve got a membership or joined the fandom too. If it is contact the group direct with your worries.
Agree they should be in touch with the club, but also there’s no law against people wearing coordinating t shirts or having political opinions.
I mean if you’re fine with 100 minutes of gambling and alcohol ads, but a t shirt saying join a union does it for you you need some contemplation time…
We’ve got no idea what shape the group will take, so maybe asking them could be a start if it really bothers you, rather than the poor adults living in a democracy who might be exposed to a political message…
It’s up to Auckland FC and their supporters to work out what they want to allow within their fandom.
God this whole ordeal is so embarrassing. If you can’t cope with the idea of some left-wing football fans having a group where they can enjoy the football whilst promoting what appear to be very chill and positive ideals to those who are interested then you need to either grow up or just not pay attention.
Where was all of this uproar when a convicted pedophile set up an “ultra-inspired” fan group to rival the Yellow Fever?
I honestly think those of you having a panic about T-AFC are making a real mountain out of what is really a very minor molehill.
Want to be involved in Auckland’s active support? Join the Po.rt. Want to do that and you also feel a connection to the ideals T-AFC are all about? Join them.
I mean there have been a few ‘heavy emotional people’ reacting so far and it’s been yourself Coochie and a couple of others.
It’s not our club, unless you’ve got a membership or joined the fandom too. If it is contact the group direct with your worries.
Agree they should be in touch with the club, but also there’s no law against people wearing coordinating t shirts or having political opinions.
I mean if you’re fine with 100 minutes of gambling and alcohol ads, but a t shirt saying join a union does it for you you need some contemplation time…
I hate gambling adverts.
For sure Tamaki AFC ain't my politics, but again that's not my issue. It's the potential for trouble on match days, that the club or innocent fans don't deserve to be caught up in. In a way it's like, don't kill the messenger. But yeah Tamaki should talk to the club and form a plan to hopefully avoid potential problems. That's the mature approach.
I recall we’ve had one disruption to the Nix and that was an AFC dude advertising their club!
Innocent fans still wake with nightmares…
I don’t know what discussions were had with Tomer Hemed, but for mine if it’s making something bigger than the team that’s out of order, and I recall he got a big cheer when he returned to doing Phoenix celebrations on scoring a goal.
And we’re at least two removed here- it not our group and not our club.
I recall we’ve had one disruption to the Nix and that was an AFC dude advertising their club!
A bunch of young guys sat in the away supporters block at the ROF, when the Nix hosted the VUC back in January. There were scuffles (punches thrown?), with Dome apologising to Victory fans, and seeking to get those young guys banned. By the sound of it Red Badge just completely hopeless in nipping the problem in the bud early.
I don't know much about that Thorndon Terrace group (since disappeared), but was setup by someone who fell out with Yellow Fever, as he had some unsavoury views??
Been plenty of nasty ugly incidents at various Northern Region club games over the years, between supporters and players. Accusations of racism etc. Some of those same people will be going to AFC games at Mt Smart.
So yeah trouble can happen at football games, even in otherwise innocent naive NZ.
Tamaki AFC should also tell the club of their plans, as that's the right thing to do. To not would show a lack of respect. The club can then have a chat to Red Badge (or whoever has the security contract) in need. Lets face it's security staff in NZ ain't always the sharpest, and could be woefully ill prepared if there is sadly any unpleasant nastiness on match day in Penrose.
Innocent paying fans (esp those with kids) deserve to enjoy watching their football, without other heavily emotional people shouting nasty stuff at each other nearby, which could happen. Would be totally naive, to completely rule out trouble from occurring. No heavy handed security stuff, but just a an informed ready presence nearby.
Stadium staff at say FC St Pauli have had decades of experience to stop any problems. I doubt the ultras of Tamaki AFC will be anywhere that level! But as the incident at the ROF involving VUC fans this ALM season showed, you can never be too prepared, and again Red Badge always seem pretty dozy on this sort of thing.
I think it would be wise for any supporter group to do this - not sure why in particular Tamaki AFC should be doing it but perhaps you simply meant any active support group should take proactive steps to make sure everyone is on the same page
Secondly, I am not among the people who started T-AFC but I'm privy to their discussions and they are *certainly* not planning to taunt or fight other fans. One T-AFC founder said to me: "I would love to go to the football as a football person but even more as a group that also stands for things I believe in as well."
Thirdly, I'm grateful to some posters here for opening my eyes to the extent to which football fans might triggered to verbal abuse (or worse) by, for example, a Tino Rangatiratanga flag or a chant in support of LGBTQ+ footballers. I honestly had no idea. (But the idea of chants against "cis white men" is weird. I expect the Auckland FC roster to be at least 50% cis white men.)
Fourthly, the argument about how we'd like it if there was a "David Seymour Brigade" over in Bay 19 or whatever reminds me the question of "how would you queers like it if there was a *Straight* pride parade". In fact, I think that's a very good metaphor all round. What if there were a LGBTQ+ fan group, all in pink shirts etc. The argument that this was narcissistic, provocative, shoving things down unsuspecting people's throats in public etc. etc. would be more obviously a problem.
Fifthly, I remember when the YF at Mt Smart chanted "Santalab's a racist". I remember when Balbi started the whole "Rainbow Fever" thing at NHS when calling out sexist/homophobic chants. No biff resulted. This is "politics at the football".
But finally: I've strongly recommended to T-AFC that they have a polite word to the club, to security and to The P*rt to reassure that they "come in peace".
I may be being totally daft with this comment, but I just dont understand why fan groups feel the need to use their love of football and a particular team to try and push a political agenda. Why does any fan group need a political manifesto? Forgive me if I'm wrong but from what I understand, the "ultras" fans from left and right wing groups are associated with the worst of the football hooliganism across the world, right? Flares at games, violence in the stands, attacks on other fan groups pre and post game. Why would anyone want to associate with that?? Unless that is what the plan is?
