A classic Bozza rant which no one will take notice of
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What’s to stop the A League clubs breaking away from FFA and running the competition themselves. Plenty of precedence for that type of move in Aussie sport.
Where's the money gonna come from for that?
What's the incentive for Fox to break a deal with the FFA worth c. $350m, open themselves to legal action, and negotiate a new deal with a brand new group, whose very survival depends on Fox wanting to engage with them in the very first place? I'll tell you what it is - 0.
Especially in the current environment where Fox have told the NLWG that the they cannot operate on the assumption that the next TV deal for the league will be better than the current one, and that it may not even be as good as the current one. I imagine that the Fox stance is making the negotiations around the new league structure even more difficult than they originally would have been.
What’s to stop the A League clubs breaking away from FFA and running the competition themselves. Plenty of precedence for that type of move in Aussie sport.
Where's the money gonna come from for that?
What's the incentive for Fox to break a deal with the FFA worth c. $350m, open themselves to legal action, and negotiate a new deal with a brand new group, whose very survival depends on Fox wanting to engage with them in the very first place? I'll tell you what it is - 0.
Especially in the current environment where Fox have told the NLWG that the they cannot operate on the assumption that the next TV deal for the league will be better than the current one, and that it may not even be as good as the current one. I imagine that the Fox stance is making the negotiations around the new league structure even more difficult than they originally would have been.
The FFA still has the Socceroos, and the World Cups and AFC Champs which will bring $$$ in. For Fox, there's a lot of other sport they can fill air time with for smaller production and broadcasting cost. As I've said, Fox have already said that the value of the A-league product has fallen dramatically for them, which has made a number of people across the ditch shark their pants.
And it's well and good saying there are others who cam take over from Fox - well, who are they? Why has no-one else in Australia even shown interest in pushing Fox out of the market? Because there is no-one else with enough clout to take on the production and rights costs, especially given the increasingly paltry return on the investment.
Optus.
They thought about the idea for about 30 seconds in 2016 before realizing what the actual production costs were going to be, and how difficult it would be for them to provide the sort of coverage at even the Fox standard. So yeah, that's not happening any time soon.
Optus.
They thought about the idea for about 30 seconds in 2016 before realizing what the actual production costs were going to be, and how difficult it would be for them to provide the sort of coverage at even the Fox standard. So yeah, that's not happening any time soon.
Mr Positive
Optus.
They thought about the idea for about 30 seconds in 2016 before realizing what the actual production costs were going to be, and how difficult it would be for them to provide the sort of coverage at even the Fox standard. So yeah, that's not happening any time soon.
Of course it's factual, it was reported at the time. Optus don't produce content, they just buy it. Producing content brings a whole new layer of cost, with things like equipment, labour, compliance, etc. Not to mention that if you don't have experience in doing it, potential for things to go wrong increase manifestly.
But yeah, Fox isn't in great shape at the moment, and that's not good news for the league.
Optus.
They thought about the idea for about 30 seconds in 2016 before realizing what the actual production costs were going to be, and how difficult it would be for them to provide the sort of coverage at even the Fox standard. So yeah, that's not happening any time soon.
Of course it's factual, it was reported at the time. Optus don't produce content, they just buy it. Producing content brings a whole new layer of cost, with things like equipment, labour, compliance, etc. Not to mention that if you don't have experience in doing it, potential for things to go wrong increase manifestly.
But yeah, Fox isn't in great shape at the moment, and that's not good news for the league.
Things change though, spark produces content and they didn't use to.
Optus.
They thought about the idea for about 30 seconds in 2016 before realizing what the actual production costs were going to be, and how difficult it would be for them to provide the sort of coverage at even the Fox standard. So yeah, that's not happening any time soon.
Of course it's factual, it was reported at the time. Optus don't produce content, they just buy it. Producing content brings a whole new layer of cost, with things like equipment, labour, compliance, etc. Not to mention that if you don't have experience in doing it, potential for things to go wrong increase manifestly.
But yeah, Fox isn't in great shape at the moment, and that's not good news for the league.
Things change though, spark produces content and they didn't use to.
True, things do change. But expecting that change right now, at least as far as A-league goes, is not realistic. Optus assessed that pursuing A-league rights wasn't worth it in 2016 when the league was on a high, which also led to Fox probably overpaying for the rights in 2017 (although that statement comes with a lot of hindsight). The league is in a much, much worse shape now, and is not a very attractive product right now. And that's causing a lot of consternation in Aus, rightfully so.
And it's led to a bizarre situation where everyone's freaked about the money and how to ensure that their needs are looked after in that environment that they're wasting a lot of time arguing about it and not moving towards a solution, and of course the on-going uncertainty and squabbling then just further devalue the product and lead to another round of freaking out and squabbling, and so on.
Absolute madness.
Bozza in his rant says FOX have spent 2 billion to date for the A-league.
Thats a huge amount of Burgers and chips to make at a volunteer run private league.
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As an aside, I’ve been enjoying watching Australian football that produces its own content (albeit with lower production values), namely the Victorian and NSW state premier leagues. I wonder if an amped up, packaged, coordinated version of this model could become viable.
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What’s to stop the A League clubs breaking away from FFA and running the competition themselves. Plenty of precedence for that type of move in Aussie sport.
Where's the money gonna come from for that?
What's the incentive for Fox to break a deal with the FFA worth c. $350m, open themselves to legal action, and negotiate a new deal with a brand new group, whose very survival depends on Fox wanting to engage with them in the very first place? I'll tell you what it is - 0.
Especially in the current environment where Fox have told the NLWG that the they cannot operate on the assumption that the next TV deal for the league will be better than the current one, and that it may not even be as good as the current one. I imagine that the Fox stance is making the negotiations around the new league structure even more difficult than they originally would have been.
The FFA still has the Socceroos, and the World Cups and AFC Champs which will bring $$$ in. For Fox, there's a lot of other sport they can fill air time with for smaller production and broadcasting cost. As I've said, Fox have already said that the value of the A-league product has fallen dramatically for them, which has made a number of people across the ditch shark their pants.
And it's well and good saying there are others who cam take over from Fox - well, who are they? Why has no-one else in Australia even shown interest in pushing Fox out of the market? Because there is no-one else with enough clout to take on the production and rights costs, especially given the increasingly paltry return on the investment.
Optus.
They thought about the idea for about 30 seconds in 2016 before realizing what the actual production costs were going to be, and how difficult it would be for them to provide the sort of coverage at even the Fox standard. So yeah, that's not happening any time soon.
Of course it's factual, it was reported at the time. Optus don't produce content, they just buy it. Producing content brings a whole new layer of cost, with things like equipment, labour, compliance, etc. Not to mention that if you don't have experience in doing it, potential for things to go wrong increase manifestly.
But yeah, Fox isn't in great shape at the moment, and that's not good news for the league.
What’s to stop the A League clubs breaking away from FFA and running the competition themselves. Plenty of precedence for that type of move in Aussie sport.
Where's the money gonna come from for that?
What's the incentive for Fox to break a deal with the FFA worth c. $350m, open themselves to legal action, and negotiate a new deal with a brand new group, whose very survival depends on Fox wanting to engage with them in the very first place? I'll tell you what it is - 0.
Especially in the current environment where Fox have told the NLWG that the they cannot operate on the assumption that the next TV deal for the league will be better than the current one, and that it may not even be as good as the current one. I imagine that the Fox stance is making the negotiations around the new league structure even more difficult than they originally would have been.
The FFA still has the Socceroos, and the World Cups and AFC Champs which will bring $$$ in. For Fox, there's a lot of other sport they can fill air time with for smaller production and broadcasting cost. As I've said, Fox have already said that the value of the A-league product has fallen dramatically for them, which has made a number of people across the ditch shark their pants.
And it's well and good saying there are others who cam take over from Fox - well, who are they? Why has no-one else in Australia even shown interest in pushing Fox out of the market? Because there is no-one else with enough clout to take on the production and rights costs, especially given the increasingly paltry return on the investment.
I'm not saying it's impossible. What I'm saying is that there is zero interest outside of Fox for it, and even Fox is not prepared - it seems - to keep paying as much as they have.
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True, things do change. But expecting that change right now, at least as far as A-league goes, is not realistic. Optus assessed that pursuing A-league rights wasn't worth it in 2016 when the league was on a high, which also led to Fox probably overpaying for the rights in 2017 (although that statement comes with a lot of hindsight). The league is in a much, much worse shape now, and is not a very attractive product right now. And that's causing a lot of consternation in Aus, rightfully so.
And it's led to a bizarre situation where everyone's freaked about the money and how to ensure that their needs are looked after in that environment that they're wasting a lot of time arguing about it and not moving towards a solution, and of course the on-going uncertainty and squabbling then just further devalue the product and lead to another round of freaking out and squabbling, and so on.
Absolute madness.
It is perfectly possible this will just go on and on because of the entrenched attitudes and unwillingness to compromise. Not very different to Brexit negotiations.
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True, things do change. But expecting that change right now, at least as far as A-league goes, is not realistic. Optus assessed that pursuing A-league rights wasn't worth it in 2016 when the league was on a high, which also led to Fox probably overpaying for the rights in 2017 (although that statement comes with a lot of hindsight). The league is in a much, much worse shape now, and is not a very attractive product right now. And that's causing a lot of consternation in Aus, rightfully so.
And it's led to a bizarre situation where everyone's freaked about the money and how to ensure that their needs are looked after in that environment that they're wasting a lot of time arguing about it and not moving towards a solution, and of course the on-going uncertainty and squabbling then just further devalue the product and lead to another round of freaking out and squabbling, and so on.
Absolute madness.
It is perfectly possible this will just go on and on because of the entrenched attitudes and unwillingness to compromise. Not very different to Brexit negotiations.
Mr Positive
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True, things do change. But expecting that change right now, at least as far as A-league goes, is not realistic. Optus assessed that pursuing A-league rights wasn't worth it in 2016 when the league was on a high, which also led to Fox probably overpaying for the rights in 2017 (although that statement comes with a lot of hindsight). The league is in a much, much worse shape now, and is not a very attractive product right now. And that's causing a lot of consternation in Aus, rightfully so.
And it's led to a bizarre situation where everyone's freaked about the money and how to ensure that their needs are looked after in that environment that they're wasting a lot of time arguing about it and not moving towards a solution, and of course the on-going uncertainty and squabbling then just further devalue the product and lead to another round of freaking out and squabbling, and so on.
Absolute madness.
It is perfectly possible this will just go on and on because of the entrenched attitudes and unwillingness to compromise. Not very different to Brexit negotiations.
So are we Scotland?
The Hyundai A-League 2019/20 Season will start on Friday 11 October 2019 with the Hyundai A-League 2020 Grand Final to be held on the weekend 16/17 May.
FFA Head of Leagues, Greg O’Rourke, said the entry of Western United FC into the Hyundai A-League for the first time, combined with the scheduling of the AFC U-23 Championship 2020 in January, which also serves as the qualifying tournament for the 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games, meant that a unique mix of challenges needed to be accommodated for the upcoming season.
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Frigging hate bye rounds!
Also I thought the league just this season decided to stop for Fifa International windows?
Frigging hate bye rounds!
Also I thought the league just this season decided to stop for Fifa International windows?
They did, but Fox doesn't like it. Fox also doesn't like having every team play each other the same number of times. What Fox wants, they get.
Mr Positive
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True, things do change. But expecting that change right now, at least as far as A-league goes, is not realistic. Optus assessed that pursuing A-league rights wasn't worth it in 2016 when the league was on a high, which also led to Fox probably overpaying for the rights in 2017 (although that statement comes with a lot of hindsight). The league is in a much, much worse shape now, and is not a very attractive product right now. And that's causing a lot of consternation in Aus, rightfully so.
And it's led to a bizarre situation where everyone's freaked about the money and how to ensure that their needs are looked after in that environment that they're wasting a lot of time arguing about it and not moving towards a solution, and of course the on-going uncertainty and squabbling then just further devalue the product and lead to another round of freaking out and squabbling, and so on.
Absolute madness.
It is perfectly possible this will just go on and on because of the entrenched attitudes and unwillingness to compromise. Not very different to Brexit negotiations.
So are we Scotland?
Nah, more chance of us leaving the union then them.
Frigging hate bye rounds!
Also I thought the league just this season decided to stop for Fifa International windows?
Given the All Whites have retired from playing football, it shouldn’t affect us anyway ?
Frigging hate bye rounds!
Also I thought the league just this season decided to stop for Fifa International windows?
Given the All Whites have retired from playing football, it shouldn’t affect us anyway ?
This paragraph shows the FFA's colours
There is one month left until the June 30 deadline for the A-League’s independence from the FFA to be settled. What it looks like or whether that deadline is met remains to be seen. The Herald understands there is some reticence from FFA about full independence because it may give Fox Sports a legal opening to renegotiate the A-League’s broadcast deal.
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Imagine what could be done with $1 million dollars. Krishna stays? A prize draw each game of ~$75k? How much advertising?
Basically so many things that would benefit the club and the league, but no it goes to pay the FFA.
Imagine what could be done with $1 million dollars. Krishna stays? A prize draw each game of ~$75k? How much advertising?
Basically so many things that would benefit the club and the league, but no it goes to pay the FFA.
none of which is relevant, the FFA set the metrics at a level we were always going to miss. Keeping Krishna was always going to be tough with Asian money flying around - I don't see how this $1m is even connected to losing Krishna.
Queenslander 3x a year.
Imagine what could be done with $1 million dollars. Krishna stays? A prize draw each game of ~$75k? How much advertising?
Basically so many things that would benefit the club and the league, but no it goes to pay the FFA.
none of which is relevant, the FFA set the metrics at a level we were always going to miss. Keeping Krishna was always going to be tough with Asian money flying around - I don't see how this $1m is even connected to losing Krishna.
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FFA have released a statement regarding the sacking of Alen Stajcic.
"FFA by this statement wishes to make clear that Alen Stajcic’s contract was not terminated on the basis that he had breached his contract or had engaged in any misconduct." ??⚽️ pic.twitter.com/HZsAvJGcmq— SBS - The World Game (@TheWorldGame) May 31, 2019
And FFA board member Heather Reid has apologised to Stajcic.
"I apologise unreservedly for the damage, distress and hurt that I have caused to Alen Stajcic as a professional football coach and long-time servant to, and advocate for, Australian and women’s football." pic.twitter.com/Xb3LkjAO7O— SBS - The World Game (@TheWorldGame) May 31, 2019
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Wow, this is a cluster fudge caused by the FFA board. I mean, it seems he wasn't doing much wrong. The FFA board elected to terminate and move in another direction so close to the world cup.
Add to this Stajcic has been getting slaughtered for it by the Heather Reid.
Well, that's pretty much what I'm making of the situation.
I really hope he get's a whole bunch of coin from FFA for his troubles and welcomed back in to the fold after key personnel changes. I'm sure he would have loved to lead the team to the world cup and he's pretty much been robbed of that.
I thought NZF was terrible in their handling of Figueira/Temple/U17's a few years back but this is a shocker on another level by FFA.
Sounds like the apology to Alen Stajcic is the end of the matter.
Better Man than many in the Australian Game.
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The entire FFA board should fall on the sword for this alone but they wont. They'll give themselves a bonus, probably from the money from the Nix.
Big payout won’t fix the loss of reputation!
Timing of the Phoenix being invoiced did not deflect enough attention to #NixOut
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Sounds like the apology to Alen Stajcic is the end of the matter.
Better Man than many in the Australian Game.
No
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An hour long interview, with Greg O'Rourke, he talks expansion, second division, active support, Wellington Phoenix, independent A-league etc
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1zqKVaNwddYxB
Say’s obstacles are being removed for active support, says he foresees WP being in the league and that their metrics are up, mentions that the next expansion areas will be in identified spots, is comfortable with WU stadium progress, mentions 2-3 state clubs being able to step up to a nation division, SM is obviously one he’s talking about.
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Hyundai A-League
Removal of the cap on Homegrown is really good for us, below is what it used to be before the caps now been removed.
Removal of the cap on Homegrown is really good for us, below is what it used to be before the caps now been removed.
Would that include Stensness (if he did sign) and Elliott? What is the definition of come through the club's youth system?
