correct, the money's not great, the lowest paid player earns 27k.
That's well below the median NZ earnings of 52k
That's why it is semi
The lowest paid player is likely to be in his early twenties and most likely wouldn't be earning 52k in much. But, that's below the new minimum wage so it will be interesting if it goes up.
Certainly a new NZ National League would not be as big as the A League but it would be doable. It got us to a World Cup before and those old enough to remember those halcyon days of the old national league pre 1982 would remember some good football and a good standard of player, both local and imported.If I saw the likes of the talent I saw this year in the Handy semis, I think that is a very good standard for us.
Certainly a new NZ National League would not be as big as the A League but it would be doable. It got us to a World Cup before and those old enough to remember those halcyon days of the old national league pre 1982 would remember some good football and a good standard of player, both local and imported.If I saw the likes of the talent I saw this year in the Handy semis, I think that is a very good standard for us.
If we only get 2,000-2,500 to the final of our amateur league so people seriously think we are going to have a sustainable prof league? Madness.
It's largely futile comparing to old National League constructs and crowds of 10K in Gisborne in the 70's. Football is an entertainment product and people have so many more ways of spending their entertainment dollars. Most of which are not sunk in to local offerings, rather televised, off-shore and online items.
correct, the money's not great, the lowest paid player earns 27k.
That's well below the median NZ earnings of 52k
That's why it is semi
27k + match fees (~$1600 for a first class match and I think ~$800 for a limited overs match), so the bottom guy that's training and playing a few games will be on around $35 - $40k for the 7 month (I think) contract. Not great, but most of the bottom tier guys (ranked 15 and 16 on the domestic list) will be U21
Certainly a new NZ National League would not be as big as the A League but it would be doable. It got us to a World Cup before and those old enough to remember those halcyon days of the old national league pre 1982 would remember some good football and a good standard of player, both local and imported.If I saw the likes of the talent I saw this year in the Handy semis, I think that is a very good standard for us.
The FFA have accepted the group's finding but warns there is still plenty of negotiating ahead as they greenlight the next stage of talks.
The new deadline of June 30 has been confirmed with the intention of having the new body – which will also overseee the W-League and Y-League – in place for the start of next season.
But the process has been complicated with Brexit-style deals needing to be made to unlock the A-League structure from the FFA governance model of the past 15 years.
Today FFA chairman Chris Nikou appointed directors Crispin Murray and Joseph Carrozzi to over see the next stage of talks, with the help of members of the FFA senior management team, including CEO David Gallop.
“Endorsement of the NLWG Recommendations was, in the directors’ view, in the best interests of FFA,” Nikou said.
“This is the beginning of the journey and we must all work together and continue to participate in negotiations regarding a new professional leagues model.
“The recommendations of the NLWG will be considered during negotiations, but there is still plenty to discuss and negotiate.
“The adoption of any new professional leagues model and agreement to enter into any legal agreements to give effect to such a model would be a matter for the FFA Board’s subsequent decision.”
The FFA said recommendations of the NLWG will now pass to the Member Federations and Women’s Football Council Members appointed by Member Federations for their endorsement.
An FFA statement added: "It is envisaged that formal negotiations regarding the leagues governance model will commence thereafter with a targeted completion date of 30 June 2019."
It is good to see progress, no matter how small.
With a bit of luck we may yet live to see the light of the season beyond next.
we are still fudgeed!
big call.
big call.
Agreed, he's jumping the gun. We've always had the support of players association, it is the state federations and the broadcasters that I worry about. I wonder if Morrison has plans for our W-League entry as part of any independent A-League? This would surely give us some extra votes?
We've been trying to do a wleague team for years.
We've been trying to do a wleague team for years.
Would be an excellent synergy for us, and our White Ferns would finally have options instead of having to look for a playing gig all over the world. And they are bona fide high class winners.
big call.
Agreed, he's jumping the gun. We've always had the support of players association, it is the state federations and the broadcasters that I worry about. I wonder if Morrison has plans for our W-League entry as part of any independent A-League? This would surely give us some extra votes?
Domey was talking about the Association of Australian Professional Football Clubs there, not the players' association.
We've been trying to do a wleague team for years.
Would be an excellent synergy for us, and our White Ferns would finally have options instead of having to look for a playing gig all over the world. And they are bona fide high class winners.
Football Ferns, and are they high class winners?
Weren’t the recent wins over Argentina & Norway, rare wins against a non OFC nation?
And in the women’s game the other OFC countries are woefully weak.
Sorry off topic.
4 words: Can't happen soon enough!!!
big call.
Agreed, he's jumping the gun. We've always had the support of players association, it is the state federations and the broadcasters that I worry about. I wonder if Morrison has plans for our W-League entry as part of any independent A-League? This would surely give us some extra votes?
Now I want to see a "Domestar Runner" cartoon. With Gareth Morgan as Strong Bad.
I get it that Dome's whole job is sounding confident; just like he sounded confident that Rudan would be back next year. This is why it is impossible to believe anything he says.
If we only get 2,000-2,500 to the final of our amateur league so people seriously think we are going to have a sustainable prof league? Madness.
It's largely futile comparing to old National League constructs and crowds of 10K in Gisborne in the 70's. Football is an entertainment product and people have so many more ways of spending their entertainment dollars. Most of which are not sunk in to local offerings, rather televised, off-shore and online items.
I was one of those fans at Gisborne in the 70s/80s fantastic crowds and great standard of football. There we often quite large groups of away supports that used to come too - I can remember in particular Manurewa supports coming into the ground. Great Days
Australia’s nine state member federations have hired a Melbourne-based PR firm to spruik their message as they edge towards vetoing the transition to an independent A-League next season.
BYDAVE LEWIS
The federations, whose public image took a battering during the interminable wars over the formation of a new Congress, will be in the firing line once more if the June 30 deadline for the decoupling of the A-League from FFA control is reached without resolution.
The states - who have a raft of unresolved issues and expectations in how a league run by the clubs should look - are playing hardball in what has become the A-League’s version of Brexit.
The worst possible outcome for the clubs would see the states use their voting power to stymie the transition - leaving FFA to administer the A-League for possibly another season.
FoxSports has already flagged that it will slash its support of “non-marquee sports” with former Socceroo turned pay-tv analyst Mark Bosnich detailing how viewership figures have “dropped off a cliff”.
Such an outcome would only fan fears of impending A-League Armageddon.
A highly-placed state federations source told The World Game that the two sides were still far apart with the clock ticking.
“A consensus is looking increasingly unlikely given the deadline,” said the source.
“They’re going to really struggle to get there.
“The sides are still at odds and the federations are looking to a public relations firm to manage their messaging, which was badly handed during the Congress Review Working Group deliberations.
“They don’t want to see a repeat of that.”
The federations, who claim to be in deficit in their existing financial arrangements with FFA, are seeking at least parity.
But they are also seeking to leverage a seat on the board of the new commission which runs the game, as well as an increased share of the financial cake generated by 346 million of TV revenue from Fox Sports - a deal which still has four seasons to run.
There are also issues over commercial rights, intellectual property and the relationship between professional clubs and the game’s grassroots.
The federations even want a say in how many visa spots should be allotted to the clubs.
But, despite the catalogue of ambit claims, the source said that it “ultimately all comes down to money”.
“At the moment we’re a net contributor to FFA,” he added.
“Our state contributes around $15 million and we get back about $12 million.
“We’d like to see that number reach parity. We don’t want to be to any worse off.
“The way things stand right now the states are not satisfied that we won’t be worse off.
“We want to use our funding to develop A-League and W-League players and create a scenario where it’s football for everyone.
“The sort of support required might not simply be about cash, it might encompass development programs, training facilities or access to players to coach academy kids.”
The owners, who have suffered $350 million in losses since the A-League’s inception in 2005, believe their pledge - through the New Leagues Working Group - to continue backing the states is more than fair.
And they believe their business know-how can drive more advantageous sponsorship and broadcast agreements which will ultimately trickle down to the game as a whole.
For once, the clubs and the FFA appear largely aligned, with the former claiming the competition can’t afford another year treading water.
Update:
“A consensus is looking increasingly unlikely given the deadline."#SBSTheWorldGamehttps://t.co/O7C5ClsLUL
— SBS - The World Game (@TheWorldGame) May 31, 2019
I completely disagree with this. Had a long and productive call with the Federations only yesterday. There is goodwill and lots of work is occurring with stakeholders.
— Joseph Carrozzi (@JosephCarrozzi) May 31, 2019
Dunno if there is anything new here but this is an interview with Luke Bould (FFA chief commercial and marketing office) about the NLWG http://www.sportspromedia.com/analysis/a-league-ffa-apfca-mlsfox-interview
Dunno if there is anything new here but this is an interview with Luke Bould (FFA chief commercial and marketing office) about the NLWG https://www.sportspromedia.com/analysis/a-league-ffa-apfca-mlsfox-interview
Can somebody please give a layman's version about what the situation is here? Will there be an independent A league next year? Is there a possiblity the status quo with FFA control stretch to another season?
Can somebody please give a layman's version about what the situation is here? Will there be an independent A league next year? Is there a possiblity the status quo with FFA control stretch to another season?
I'll try.
Maybe.
Yes.
The count down may have restarted;
"Ending the impasse at the heart of the professional game, however, remains the absolute priority. There is less than a week to go until June 30, which was the targeted date for the end of negotiations over a new operating and governance model for the A-League and W-League.
Multiple sources close to the discussions have told the Herald of a cordial, collaborative and collegiate approach that has been taken by all parties in recent weeks, which is markedly different to the adversarial nature of the FFA congress war. There is widespread hope - if not confidence - that a suitable deal will be reached, but similarly, a sense of apprehension that won't fade away until it is formalised.Sources suggest A-League clubs will be transferred ownership of their intellectual property, which had previously been the domain of FFA. In return, the state federations will receive certain payments from the A-League clubs to help fund other aspects of the game, such as junior national teams.
These payments include 10 per cent of any transfer fees from the sale of players to overseas clubs, 10 per cent of the licence fees paid by new A-League clubs, and 10 per cent of the gain in value from the change in ownership of existing clubs.
The Herald also understands the A-League's separation from FFA control will most likely occur in two phases. The first is a 'transition' phase that will run until the end of the current broadcast deal in 2023 - partly to help ensure Fox Sports will have no legal opportunity to seek a reduction in the value of the contract, which is worth nearly $60 million per year to the sport.
After that the new entity that will run the A-League and other professional competitions will become much more detached from FFA, having entrenched its own operations."
The Herald also understands the A-League's separation from FFA control will most likely occur in two phases.
Well, we're doomed then.
If the FFA retain any control at all, that stupid "metrics" deal will still be in place, and 19/20 will be our last season.
The Herald also understands the A-League's separation from FFA control will most likely occur in two phases.
Well, we're doomed then.
If the FFA retain any control at all, that stupid "metrics" deal will still be in place, and 19/20 will be our last season.
Doloras, the article did say...
"Multiple sources close to the discussions have told the Herald of a cordial, collaborative and collegiate approach that has been taken by all parties in recent weeks, which is markedly different to the adversarial nature of the FFA congress war."
All parties must include Rob and the Nix. I'm quietly confident we'll find ourselves coming out of this with a proper - long term - deal, even if there is a bit of heartburn still to come before we get across the line.
With West Melbourne already in possible financial shark, this could be interesting.
A-League split
In the same article, it is noted that the separation of the A-League is on track to happen by the 30 June deadline which will leave FFA as a “modest national sports organisation comparable to Swimming Australia or Athletics Australia”. The FFA CEO is contracted until November next year but he will probably only stay in the job for a short transition period after the A-League splits.
Vince Rugari has even more detail on the split with jolly agreement from all parties that the A-League clubs will be given their intellectual property (currently owned by FFA), in return for which the state federations will receive funding for national teams - seems like the state federations are the winners there, and FFA the losers. The payments include 10% of transfer fees, 10% of license fees paid by new A-League clubs and 10% of the capital gain from the sale of clubs. The separation is likely to happen in two phases, partly to protect the current broadcast deal that runs to 2023. Sauce
Doloras, the article did say...
"Multiple sources close to the discussions have told the Herald of a cordial, collaborative and collegiate approach that has been taken by all parties in recent weeks, which is markedly different to the adversarial nature of the FFA congress war."
All parties must include Rob and the Nix.
No: it must include the FFA, the state feds and the owners of the clubs. But not necessarily all the clubs. The Nix has no veto - if it's 9-1 (I suppose 10-1 if we include the Bitumens) to throw us over the side, then we will be gone.
I will believe that the Nix has any future once I see a new licence being signed on the dotted line. Until then, I feel that we are a "chip" which the other A-League clubs will play if they feel backed into a corner.
We have till ! August to hang on for!
"The Phoenix, whose A-League licence was set to expire at the end of next season, will now effectively become co-owners of the competition under the fresh governance model.
The model had been hotly debated by the FFA and club chiefs but will now be settled by August 1 this year.The Phoenix, whose A-League licence was set to expire at the end of next season, will now effectively become co-owners of the competition under the fresh governance model.
The model had been hotly debated by the FFA and club chiefs but will now be settled by August 1 this year.
I am still not going to believe this club has a future beyond the end of the 19/20 season until I actually see it written down that the Wellington Phoenix are now co-owners of the A-League. Those two words - "Wellington Phoenix" - have not appeared in any of the official statements so far. Dome's got his spin and the journos seem mostly (but not 100%) convinced that that's what's going to happen.
But so much of the smart journalist money for years has been that the Nix are going to be out. Remember it wasn't even a year ago that it was being confidently reported that we were moving to Campbelltown. A few months ago it was also being confidently reported that the state federations wanted us out as a top priority and were prepared to give the other clubs extra money to get rid of us. If it is true and we are safe, then I want to know who was briefing those journos.
I am still not going to believe this club has a future beyond the end of the 19/20 season until I actually see it written down that the Wellington Phoenix are now co-owners of the A-League. Those two words - "Wellington Phoenix" - have not appeared in any of the official statements so far. Dome's got his spin and the journos seem mostly (but not 100%) convinced that that's what's going to happen.
But so much of the smart journalist money for years has been that the Nix are going to be out. Remember it wasn't even a year ago that it was being confidently reported that we were moving to Campbelltown. A few months ago it was also being confidently reported that the state federations wanted us out as a top priority and were prepared to give the other clubs extra money to get rid of us. If it is true and we are safe, then I want to know who was briefing those journos.
Who do you think, all the journos reporting those statements as facts have been FFA lackeys. (Of which the stuff reporters just repeat)
I am still not going to believe this club has a future beyond the end of the 19/20 season until I actually see it written down that the Wellington Phoenix are now co-owners of the A-League. Those two words - "Wellington Phoenix" - have not appeared in any of the official statements so far. Dome's got his spin and the journos seem mostly (but not 100%) convinced that that's what's going to happen.
But so much of the smart journalist money for years has been that the Nix are going to be out. Remember it wasn't even a year ago that it was being confidently reported that we were moving to Campbelltown. A few months ago it was also being confidently reported that the state federations wanted us out as a top priority and were prepared to give the other clubs extra money to get rid of us. If it is true and we are safe, then I want to know who was briefing those journos.
A year ago it was being confiidently reported, and it turned out to be absolute twaddle. Why would you continue to believe those sources?
I am still not going to believe this club has a future beyond the end of the 19/20 season until I actually see it written down that the Wellington Phoenix are now co-owners of the A-League. Those two words - "Wellington Phoenix" - have not appeared in any of the official statements so far. Dome's got his spin and the journos seem mostly (but not 100%) convinced that that's what's going to happen.
But so much of the smart journalist money for years has been that the Nix are going to be out. Remember it wasn't even a year ago that it was being confidently reported that we were moving to Campbelltown. A few months ago it was also being confidently reported that the state federations wanted us out as a top priority and were prepared to give the other clubs extra money to get rid of us. If it is true and we are safe, then I want to know who was briefing those journos.
Things have changed a bit in the last three months, and the number 1 reason for it is Fox basically threatening significant divestment for the league. That, of course, was not good news for anyone involved, including the FFA and the state federations. This in turn has greatly focused the minds of everyone from the relatively small issue of Nix to the larger issue of having to ensure that the league can actually survive, because if things don't change the chances are that Fox would have walked away in 2023, and no-one would exactly have been lining up to pay the sort of money that Fox is currently paying for TV rights (coincidentally, this is the reason why there's a 'transitional' phase until 2023 which is when the Fox deal runs out).
I mentioned in a post last week that the league going down the absolute sharkter in the last couple of years has actually been good for our club, as the end result was that the target ended up moving away from us and more on actually saving the league (and everyone's money, when it comes down to that). The challenge now is for the ownership model to bring the league where it was 4-5 years ago so that they can retain significant income from TV rights. 4 years to do that, so it's definitely doable.
I am still not going to believe this club has a future beyond the end of the 19/20 season until I actually see it written down that the Wellington Phoenix are now co-owners of the A-League. Those two words - "Wellington Phoenix" - have not appeared in any of the official statements so far. Dome's got his spin and the journos seem mostly (but not 100%) convinced that that's what's going to happen.
But so much of the smart journalist money for years has been that the Nix are going to be out. Remember it wasn't even a year ago that it was being confidently reported that we were moving to Campbelltown. A few months ago it was also being confidently reported that the state federations wanted us out as a top priority and were prepared to give the other clubs extra money to get rid of us. If it is true and we are safe, then I want to know who was briefing those journos.
Things have changed a bit in the last three months, and the number 1 reason for it is Fox basically threatening significant divestment for the league. That, of course, was not good news for anyone involved, including the FFA and the state federations. This in turn has greatly focused the minds of everyone from the relatively small issue of Nix to the larger issue of having to ensure that the league can actually survive, because if things don't change the chances are that Fox would have walked away in 2023, and no-one would exactly have been lining up to pay the sort of money that Fox is currently paying for TV rights (coincidentally, this is the reason why there's a 'transitional' phase until 2023 which is when the Fox deal runs out).
I mentioned in a post last week that the league going down the absolute sharkter in the last couple of years has actually been good for our club, as the end result was that the target ended up moving away from us and more on actually saving the league (and everyone's money, when it comes down to that). The challenge now is for the ownership model to bring the league where it was 4-5 years ago so that they can retain significant income from TV rights. 4 years to do that, so it's definitely doable.
What will be interesting is whether they go back to a more even, strict salary cap and try and keep all teams competitive or keep doing like they are doing with multiple carve outs meaning the salary cap has a pretty broad tolerance for those who want to spend more
Wouldn't it be the opposite of imposing salary cap?
I mean, the owners have been banging on that they will invest more money if they have greater control of the league. And now that they have this it's now time for the owners to walk the walk.
(sure, a veto to FFA but they will play that carefully)
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in transition and longer term.
By Vince Rugari July 1, 2019 — 6.33pm
"The A-League, W-League and national youth league will be run by an entirely new body. Each of the 12 clubs will have a seat on the new board, along with two FFA representatives and an independent chair. They will call the shots"
