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Gold Coast - talking the talk now walking

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
From my dim old memory, the Roar under Miron were funny. It was basically play at 200 miles per hour and throw everybody forward. They would have about 8 million shots in every game and never score. At least that's how I remember them. Jag2009-01-08 15:36:47

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
A classic Mironism from when he was at the Raw:

The team was sh*te (as per) and amongst calls for him to get the sack, a reporter asked him if he was worried about gettin the push... he replied (along the lines of) that he drove his Mercedes into training that day... and whatever happens he'll be driving his Mercedes next week, whether to training or not... the numb nuts reporter had nothing (and it was repeated across the media ad nauseum for days!).

He's a publicity machine, thats why he's there... he isn't there for his coaching ability - nor to be a coach... he's there because he is ridiculously positive under any circumstances and generates headlines like most coaches can only dream of - which is perfect for a new club in a very competitive market like SEQ.

Palmer didn't get where he is by being a mumpty. Okon will be the coach rather swiftly I'd expect...
E + R + O

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luggsy06 wrote:
i may be missing a private joke but i beleive it's sources
 
i'll get my coat
 
not on the YF forum it aint

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

James brown
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wonder if Miron feels good about that signing

Hard News wrote:
I'm still not remotely convinced that Culina is coming Valeo.


Yeah neither am I now. It was looking certain but now it looks like he just used the GC to get a better deal at PSV.


valeo2009-01-08 20:56:18

a.haak

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
who is miron? not too sure on his istory

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miron_Bleiberg looks like a reasonably accurate write up.
 
He's probably as good a coach as RH and others in the A League, had a fair bit of success in State football before the A League came around.
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Hard News wrote:
He's usually a Mid. for the national side� Famous for his backward passes and being about as attacking as the Swiss Army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2aJMOwT_4

...of course, that's one of two goals he's ever scored for PSV . According to wikipedia he scored a bit for FC Twente though, 12 from 38 appearances.

Anyway, he does of course play as a defensive mid for the Socceroos, and is not really the marquee you'd expect for a team that is supposed to all flair and attack.

He's certainly a quality player by A-League standards should GC United actually get him.
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Napier Phoenix wrote:
Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miron_Bleiberg looks like a reasonably accurate write up.
 
He's probably as good a coach as RH and others in the A League, had a fair bit of success in State football before the A League came around.


Are you taking the piss?

Miron the mouth is good for one thing and one thing only - publicity. He is a walking quote machine ala Nigel Clough and his team play the most irratic frenzied football you'll ever see, with no structure.

Great character guy, nice a smily and all that jazz but couldn't coach a team of tap dancing hamsters.

Young man, go do some homework on Queensland Roars 1st coach....
Agent 472009-01-08 23:24:27
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We have the Yellow fever, I see the fury are after some "white line" fever!
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This is supposedly where things are at with GC,  The Sydney Morning Herald are now reporting that Culina has signed.  Sounds like a few sweeteners are being thrown at wives with high paying jobs in Mr Palmer's mining companies (a practice again which surely needs to be outlawed, or the payments included in the third party arrangements) and the promise for Culina of an "ambassadorial role" with the mining company after his playing days are over. So he's all but signed unless someone ridiculous comes in for him, i.e United or Madrid which aint gonna happen.  They are spending a lot on a guy who can't pass it forwards and isn't a goal scorer but he is a current Socceroo so there probably is some value there in an off field sense.
 
I find that interesting as in the NRL salary cap the warriors were penalised for promising coaching spots within the club to I think Steve Price.  I know that the A-League salary cap is similar so may be interesting to know the legality of that one.
 
Sterjovski certainly doesn't sound like a done deal, but here is a lits of current players supplied by a GC guy on another forum.
 
- Jess Vanstrattan
- Scott Higgins

- Adam Griffiths
- Daniel Piorkowski
- Michael Thwaite
- Bas Van den Brink ?

- Zenon Caravella
- Matthew Osman
- James Brown
- Steve Fitzsimmons
- Steve Pantelidis
- Richard Greer
- "Robson" Alves da Silva
- "Jefferson" Charles de Souza Pinto
- Jason Culina ?
- Mile Sterjovski ?

- Shane Smeltz
- "Milson" Ferreira Dos Santos
- Tahj Minniecon
- Andrew Barisic
- Joel Porter
 
Unsurprisingly it looks like a side signed by someone who doesn't think about what is going on on the park.  Very light/weak at the back and with no depth, other than up front.  The presence of Steve Fitzsimmons and Zenon Caravella in midfield says it all really.

Normo's coming home

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
He's a publicity machine, thats why he's there... he isn't there for his coaching ability - nor to be a coach... he's there because he is ridiculously positive under any circumstances and generates headlines like most coaches can only dream of - which is perfect for a new club in a very competitive market like SEQ.

Palmer didn't get where he is by being a mumpty. Okon will be the coach rather swiftly I'd expect...
 
2 things, one, plenty of great business men have proven to be poor owners of sports teams.  Don't give Palmer too much credit for the appointment just yet!  T
 
wo, it's possible that Miron the Mouth has managed to convince Mr Palmer of his ability with his fast talking attitude!

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
He's a publicity machine, thats why he's there... he isn't there for his coaching ability - nor to be a coach... he's there because he is ridiculously positive under any circumstances and generates headlines like most coaches can only dream of - which is perfect for a new club in a very competitive market like SEQ.

Palmer didn't get where he is by being a mumpty. Okon will be the coach rather swiftly I'd expect...
 
2 things, one, plenty of great business men have proven to be poor owners of sports teams.  Don't give Palmer too much credit for the appointment just yet!  T
 
wo, it's possible that Miron the Mouth has managed to convince Mr Palmer of his ability with his fast talking attitude!


Palmer won't get credit until the team gets results.

My point is simply that Miron is the right man (publicity) in the right place (Goldie) at the right time (gaining exposure for a new brand in a very competitive market)... that will change once the football commences... as will the coach.
E + R + O

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james dean wrote:
This is supposedly where things are at with GC,  The Sydney Morning Herald are now reporting that Culina has signed.  Sounds like a few sweeteners are being thrown at wives with high paying jobs in Mr Palmer's mining companies (a practice again which surely needs to be outlawed, or the payments included in the third party arrangements) and the promise for Culina of an "ambassadorial role" with the mining company after his playing days are over.
 
Surely being their marquee, they can throw whatever money + sweetners they like at him.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bloody aye. is it confirmed on any other sites?

edit: I can't find it anywhere else and I'm sure that gold coast website has bullsh*tted us before...
WillyB2009-01-09 11:05:13
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WillyB wrote:
bloody aye. is it confirmed on any other sites?

edit: I can't find it anywhere else and I'm sure that gold coast website has bullsh*tted us before...
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/gold-coast-lure-culina/2009/01/08/1231004199536.html Which is a fairfax site IIRC. Seems like the approval has been put to the FFA to make him a marquee, which is a pretty strong indicator, but apparently the press release is next Wednesday.
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3.6 million, what a f**king joke

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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james dean wrote:
This is supposedly where things are at with GC,� The Sydney Morning Herald are now reporting that Culina has signed.� Sounds like a few sweeteners are being thrown at wives with high paying jobs in Mr Palmer's mining companies (a practice again which surely needs to be outlawed, or the payments included in the third party arrangements) and the promise for Culina of an "ambassadorial role" with the mining company after his playing days are over. So he's all but signed unless someone ridiculous comes in for him, i.e United or Madrid which aint gonna happen.� They are spending a lot on a guy who can't pass it forwards and isn't a goal scorer�but he is a current Socceroo so there probably is some value there in an off field sense.

�

I find that interesting as in the NRL salary cap the warriors were penalised for promising coaching spots within the club to I think Steve Price.� I know that the A-League salary cap is similar so may be interesting to know the legality of that one.

�

Sterjovski certainly doesn't sound like a done deal, but here is a lits of current players supplied by a GC guy on another forum.

�

- Jess Vanstrattan - Scott Higgins- Adam Griffiths - Daniel Piorkowski - Michael Thwaite- Bas Van den Brink ?- Zenon Caravella - Matthew Osman - James Brown - Steve Fitzsimmons - Steve Pantelidis - Richard Greer - "Robson" Alves da Silva - "Jefferson" Charles de Souza Pinto - Jason Culina ?- Mile Sterjovski ?- Shane Smeltz - "Milson" Ferreira Dos Santos - Tahj Minniecon- Andrew Barisic- Joel Porter

�

Unsurprisingly it looks like a side signed by someone who doesn't think about what is going on on the park.� Very light/weak at the back and with no depth, other than up front.� The presence of Steve Fitzsimmons and Zenon Caravella in midfield says it all really.
Question mark by Porter to but it looks unlikely he will not go to them. You also forgot Rees at the back.
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Culina seems to have given up on his Socceroo aspirations... Hard News2009-01-09 16:22:09

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Culina seems to have given up on his Socceroo aspirations...


perhaps... I'm thinking he wants to work with Daddy

E + R + O

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I didn't make that list by the way, that was copied from a GC fan.  He mentioned that some of the initial players mentioned haven't actually signed contracts and may now find that things have moved on from initial indications, so perhaps Rees isn't locked down.
 
Culina is good for the league definitely, but knocking back a champions league club does show a lack of ambition doesn't it?

Normo's coming home

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Agent 47 wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miron_Bleiberg looks like a reasonably accurate write up.
 
He's probably as good a coach as RH and others in the A League, had a fair bit of success in State football before the A League came around.


Are you taking the piss?

Miron the mouth is good for one thing and one thing only - publicity. He is a walking quote machine ala Nigel Clough and his team play the most irratic frenzied football you'll ever see, with no structure.

Great character guy, nice a smily and all that jazz but couldn't coach a team of tap dancing hamsters.

Young man, go do some homework on Queensland Roars 1st coach....
 
where the hell did you get the idea that Nigel Clough was a walking quote machine?
 
Even if you mean Brian Clough, you have to admit that he is more than a walking quote machine, what with taking Derby County from the 2nd division to European Cup semi final (losing to Juve side that were proved to have bribed the ref) and winning the European twice with Nottingham Forest.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Yes you are right. I did mean Brian. Tongue slip.

I was referring to the quoting part specifically. As far as football managerial skills go, even getting into a discussion comparing the two is just laughable
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Culina is confirmed.
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Hard News wrote:
I'm still not remotely convinced that Culina is coming Valeo.
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[QUOTE=Hard News]Culina seems to have given up on his Socceroo aspirations...
Craig Moore even tried to retire and they took him back, fair to say the A-League hasn't changed the fact he has a role with the 'roos.

Given a decent manager Gold Coast would tear the league up. Be interesting to see how they do next season, at least they'll play some attacking football.

I thought Rees was already confirmed... we'll see what happens next week I guess.
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Salary cap is a joke. You could pay every player 50,000 per year.  But give thier parnter a part-time job as the tea lady for a salary of anything you like.
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I know... wife must have his bollocks in her pocket like someone else.

Champions League football, 3x the salary and a guaranteed Socceroo spot all chucked.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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According to the FFT article his wife wanted to stay in the Netherlands...
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Hard News wrote:
I know... wife must have his bollocks in her pocket like someone else.

Champions League football, 3x the salary and a guaranteed Socceroo spot all chucked.


3 X ??  An exaggeration surely,  it is reported as 1.8 there to 1.1 here, (plus whatever the wife gets)

He may also be the one to break the non A League for the Socceroos, time will tell..



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Critical_Lemon wrote:
According to the FFT article his wife wanted to stay in the Netherlands...
 
 
I had heard that it was the job offer for the missus that finally swayed the Culina deal. Plus they both were sick of freezing their asses off in winter in Holland ....so there is a bit of lifestyle reason as well. Who could blame them....youv'e done your stint in the bigtime in Europe...its minus 15 degrees outside and you have got to go to training and them some t**ser offers you $3.5 million to play 20 odd games a year for a pub/beach team in Australias premium summer resort area. Duh! .....show me the money!!!!!
 
Seriously though...thats a quality signing. Wouldn't complain if he was in the Phoenix midfield. tHe A-League can only get better with these sort of players coming here!
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Feverish wrote:
luggsy06 wrote:
i may be missing a private joke but i beleive it's sources
 
i'll get my coat
 
not on the YF forum it aint
 
 
My sauces tell me he must be getting a big celery
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Agent 47 wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miron_Bleiberg looks like a reasonably accurate write up.
 
He's probably as good a coach as RH and others in the A League, had a fair bit of success in State football before the A League came around.


Are you taking the piss?

Miron the mouth is good for one thing and one thing only - publicity. He is a walking quote machine ala Nigel Clough and his team play the most irratic frenzied football you'll ever see, with no structure.

Great character guy, nice a smily and all that jazz but couldn't coach a team of tap dancing hamsters.

Young man, go do some homework on Queensland Roars 1st coach....
 
I actually sat at Suncorp and watched the Roar play every 2nd week in V1 and 2, so I probably have seen more of his coaching style than you. Along with the average 15,000 fans, I largely enjoyed what I saw and stand by my comment that he is probably a good a coach as many others in the A League.
 
 
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Napier Phoenix wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miron_Bleiberg looks like a reasonably accurate write up.
 
He's probably as good a coach as RH and others in the A League, had a fair bit of success in State football before the A League came around.


Are you taking the piss?

Miron the mouth is good for one thing and one thing only - publicity. He is a walking quote machine ala Nigel Clough and his team play the most irratic frenzied football you'll ever see, with no structure.

Great character guy, nice a smily and all that jazz but couldn't coach a team of tap dancing hamsters.

Young man, go do some homework on Queensland Roars 1st coach....
 
I actually sat at Suncorp and watched the Roar play every 2nd week in V1 and 2, so I probably have seen more of his coaching style than you. Along with the average 15,000 fans, I largely enjoyed what I saw and stand by my comment that he is probably a good a coach as many others in the A League.
 
 


I disagree... and I also sat at Sunny for most games in V1,2 & 3... his team looked great, and played positively, though didn't score the goals they should have done)... lots of passing, fairly young squad and quick (Michael Baird, Jonti Richter, Simon Lynch or Chad Gibson anybody?- didn't think so lol) but a couple of 'name' players that didn't fire... and no penetration where and when it mattered... oh crap - am I talking about the Raw, or the Gunners?

E + R + O

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SurgeQld wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miron_Bleiberg looks like a reasonably accurate write up.
 
He's probably as good a coach as RH and others in the A League, had a fair bit of success in State football before the A League came around.


Are you taking the piss?

Miron the mouth is good for one thing and one thing only - publicity. He is a walking quote machine ala Nigel Clough and his team play the most irratic frenzied football you'll ever see, with no structure.

Great character guy, nice a smily and all that jazz but couldn't coach a team of tap dancing hamsters.

Young man, go do some homework on Queensland Roars 1st coach....
 
I actually sat at Suncorp and watched the Roar play every 2nd week in V1 and 2, so I probably have seen more of his coaching style than you. Along with the average 15,000 fans, I largely enjoyed what I saw and stand by my comment that he is probably a good a coach as many others in the A League.
 
 


I disagree... and I also sat at Sunny for most games in V1,2 & 3... his team looked great, and played positively, though didn't score the goals they should have done)... lots of passing, fairly young squad and quick (Michael Baird, Jonti Richter, Simon Lynch or Chad Gibson anybody?- didn't think so lol) but a couple of 'name' players that didn't fire... and no penetration where and when it mattered... oh crap - am I talking about the Raw, or the Gunners?

Sorry, disagree with who? you sound like you agree with me..... If he gets a good squad together, on the back of what you're saying, we could see something good?
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I disagree in as much as I don't think he's a good coach... his squad at the Roar lacked balance and goal scoring penetration (though, to be fair a few strikers didn't live up to their reps) and ran around passing the ball and dominating long periods of matches without scoring goals and often being caught out on the break... you were there, you saw it too...

I can see the same thing happening again (or am I just being hopeful? lol) in terms of a squad with a high dependence on 5/6 key players but lacking in depth to cover injuries and/or loss of form... Having Porter/Smeltz/Minniecon & Culina is all well and good but if any two of those players aren't on the pitch for whatever reason, and your defense is poor - you will struggle...

In saying that, their stadium will be a huge positive... if they get 10k+ in there (which clearly, they will) it creates an atmosphere (it only holds 28k) and the crowd is right on the pitch, so it will be a tough place to play for visiting teams... the feral Queenslanders will be spitting their XXXX on them!!!

Am looking forward to it!!!
E + R + O

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Was Smeltz really at the Sydney game, with his mind elsewhere?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4816457a1823.html
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