Kingz / Knights Wiki Page

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Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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Has anyone given thought to fleshing out the Wiki page for the Kingz?

Currently it only really talks about the Knights going under and misses out virtually all of the Kingz history from the efforts of Grant Turner in actually bringing pro footie to NZ through to the Aussie/Sky debacle in 2001.

I know that there is a book about the subject but as the Kingz are so important to NZ Sport/NZ Football history it would be great to have this kind of info added.

I'd do it myself but most of my resorces (programmes, signed 21st birthday team photo from '02, etc) are in NZ its a wee bit hard for me to do.
disco_mart2010-08-10 04:22:12

Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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kingz important to NZ football? they did more damage than good...the less known about themt he better.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Absolute rubbish.

Chris Turner, not Grant.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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theprof wrote:

kingz important to NZ football? they did more damage than good...the less known about themt he better.

Bullsh*t.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

prove it, what good do they do?

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Don't bother Buffon. Let it go.

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Did you follow them in the first couple seasons?

Without the Kingz there would be no Phoenix.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:

theprof wrote:

kingz important to NZ football? they did more damage than good...the less known about themt he better.

Bullsh*t.

Agree with Buffy. Knights? The least said about them the better, but the Kingz were different. IMO.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I have to agree with Buff here. Kingz weren't an awful side inititially, and more importantly, without Turner and others in the Auckland area driving the concept of a kiwi team in the NSL it never would have got through FIFA and there would likely be no Phoenix now.

Plus the Kingz brought Wynton back to play in NZ for a while, and even though he may have been old and slow by then, he was still magic.

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^^ Kids growing up today need to know what came before the Phoenix. We have such little history why would we want to ignore the Kingz and Knights? I wasn't around much when they were playing so I'd like to read up sometime.

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Definitely more pros than cons to this concept. I've Wiki'd the Kingz/Knights in the past and been disappointed by the lack of info.

Off topic but.. I was in Auckland about 6 months ago and was amazed that Knights shirts were still being offered for sale by one of the stores at DressMart in Onehunga.

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Buffon II wrote:

Did you follow them in the first couple seasons?

Without the Kingz there would be no Phoenix.

followed as much as one could bear, early on they were ok. Certainly nothing compared to the nix....and that's not just cos it's now in Welly and not Auckland....

Queenslander 3x a year.

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You are very ignorant.

Three for me, and two for them.

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theprof wrote:

kingz important to NZ football? they did more damage than good...the less known about themt he better.

It's still part of history though.

The story of the Kingz is an entertaining one and shouldn't be confused with the Knights.

And the story of the Knights should be told so that we never forget and never repeat the same mistakes. Kind of like Gallipoli.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

What, if Churchill says it's a good idea, don't do it ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Yeah, Winston Churchill, what did he ever f**king do?

He was a Knight as well. What a loser.

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Exactly. Another rubbish English import.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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disco_mart wrote:

Has anyone given thought to fleshing out the Wiki page for the Kingz?Currently it only really talks about the Knights going under and misses out virtually all of the Kingz history from the efforts of Grant Turner in actually bringing pro footie to NZ through to the Aussie/Sky debacle in 2001.I know that there is a book about the subject but as the Kingz are so important to NZ Sport/NZ Football history it would be great to have this kind of info added.I'd do it myself but most of my resorces (programmes, signed 21st birthday team photo from '02, etc) are in NZ its a wee bit hard for me to do.

Details?

You know we belong together...

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Probably Stand Up, which I thought I gave you a copy of ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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There is a good book waiting to be written on the history of professional football in NZ

Normo's coming home

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Buffon II wrote:

You are very ignorant.

and as always your opinion on anything is of no concern to me champ.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

You are very ignorant.

and as always your opinion on anything is of no concern to me champ.

Everyone else in this thread agrees with me too. CHAMP.

Three for me, and two for them.

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agree maybe, but still I'll bet not everyone would be so passionate as you about a team of expat pommes and some pretty average footballers at best. Who, whilst they managed to start professional footy in this country on the path to the nix ultimately ended up creating the embarassment that was the knights and the failed empire that was the Kingz.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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The Kingz had more kiwis in their original squads than the Nix do now. Have some respect for what has gone before you mate.

Three for me, and two for them.

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respect is earned, unfortunately the knights/kingz debarcle didn't do a lot to earn any respect, particularly off the field. I'll agree that they brought the professional; era into NZ but they really didn't do much else - all prmiose no real delivery....nothing against the players, well most of them.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Only because they had a larger squad.

The Kingz opening game had 5 NZ players in it, much the same as the Phoenix had last year and will have this year. The Kingz also oly had two U20 kiwi players, again in a squad of 30 as opposed to twenty.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Like i said without the Kingz there would be no Nix. That in itself deserves respect.

Three for me, and two for them.

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theprof wrote:

agree maybe, but still I'll bet not everyone would be so passionate as you about a team of expat pommes and some pretty average footballers at best.

See prof, if you're going to fight this fight do some research. The number of ex-pat poms who played for the Kingz was maybe 1 or 2 and I think they all were here playing before they joined the Kingz.

You're argument will have more credibility if you research your points.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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theprof wrote:

Who, whilst they managed to start professional footy in this country on the path to the nix ultimately ended up creating the embarassment that was the knights

See, this is the Great Kiwi Clobbering Machine at its finest - or, as a Herald article recently put it - the embodiment of fear of failure. Basically - an experiment which has some successes but runs aground deserves to be pilloried and forgotten. So, if the Nix were to wooden-spoon it this year, I assume theprof would be talking about how it was a crap idea and it should never have been tried.

Another way to see it would be that failed experiments deserve respect for trying, and making later successful experiments possible. I repeat: there would never had been a Phoenix if there hadn't been a Kingz.Doloras2010-08-11 09:56:50

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
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theprof wrote:

There could have been 30 over-35 Poms in the squad, that doesn't matter. Without the Kingz there'd have been no Phoenix, that doesn't matter. The point is it's history, good or bad, and you don't make a decision to write an article on it based solely on whether, in your view, it's good or bad.

Incredible how thick some of your points have been. There is no reason in the world to not expand the page and give it more detail.

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I'm only going on memory but didn't the Kingz narrowly miss out on the play offs in their first year? I know they finished in a reasonably respectable position. Harry Ngata was class