Ufuk Talay - Ufuked off to Sydney FC

siac

Interesting that Italiano seems to be expected to be named as the new Nix coach tomorrow but his name never came up in the All Whites dicussions on here? 

He would of fit most criteria seeing as he would have a good knowledge of the local football scene after being at the Nix for a while.

Not saying I want him as the AW (or even the Nix coach), but it's interesting he's clear fav for one and wasn't discussed for the other (that I can remember).

I think there's a difference between him being the favourite and him being the obvious choice. I don't think Greenacre was in discussion either and he was more qualified for the NZ role than Italiano. Out of the short list of Herdman, Buckingham, and Talay, Talay was clearly the least qualified.

I know NZF isn't that loony tunes but I would have a giggle and a half if after all that hoopla Italiano was announced as Phoenix head coach tomorrow and then dual role All Whites coach to boot after the Sweden game.

Has Italiano got any international coaching experience? Zero that I'm aware of.

The rumoured 5 man AWs shortlist of Herdman, Buckingham, Talay, Bazeley & that age group Scottish coach - all either have senior or age group international experience. 

I think someone did also throw Greenacre's name in the ring?? He was an assistant with Des's 2019 U20 NZ side.

Why would Talay be clearly less qualified than Buckingham? Both have handled youth teams and development. Both have been deputies and Talay has been a head coach in the A League, while Des has been a head coach in the ISL(?). 

We really liked that Singh inspired age group team, but I’m not sure if that alone makes Des a better candidate than Uffie. 

Rock Hopper

I know NZF isn't that loony tunes but I would have a giggle and a half if after all that hoopla Italiano was announced as Phoenix head coach tomorrow and then dual role All Whites coach to boot after the Sweden game.

NZF do not want a dual role coach.

ClubOranje

Rock Hopper

I know NZF isn't that loony tunes but I would have a giggle and a half if after all that hoopla Italiano was announced as Phoenix head coach tomorrow and then dual role All Whites coach to boot after the Sweden game.

NZF do not want a dual role coach.

Why waste Uffie's time with an interview then?

martinb

Why would Talay be clearly less qualified than Buckingham? Both have handled youth teams and development. Both have been deputies and Talay has been a head coach in the A League, while Des has been a head coach in the ISL(?). 

We really liked that Singh inspired age group team, but I’m not sure if that alone makes Des a better candidate than Uffie. 

Des worked with NZ at age group level, has won silverware as a head coach, and would have been full time in the role.

Bullion

ClubOranje

Rock Hopper

I know NZF isn't that loony tunes but I would have a giggle and a half if after all that hoopla Italiano was announced as Phoenix head coach tomorrow and then dual role All Whites coach to boot after the Sweden game.

NZF do not want a dual role coach.

Why waste Uffie's time with an interview then?

in case Ufuk changed their mind?

Bullion

ClubOranje

Rock Hopper

I know NZF isn't that loony tunes but I would have a giggle and a half if after all that hoopla Italiano was announced as Phoenix head coach tomorrow and then dual role All Whites coach to boot after the Sweden game.

NZF do not want a dual role coach.

Why waste Uffie's time with an interview then?

He applied for the job and was qualified and possibly a suitable candidate.

He may have been open to dropping the Phoenix gig - which he is now doing - if the NZF offer was good enough.
NZF were keeping an open mind on options.

If having an interview is a ‘waste of time’ for anyone, they don’t have enough spare time to do two jobs.

If they had not offered him an interview all the snowflakes on here would have crucified them for it, as they would do regardless of process or final selection.

Here's a hot take for y'all, Uffie leaves the nix and ends up getting the vacant AW's job!

Yipe nothing wrong with inviting Uffie to interview. As CO states, NZF were within their rights to keep an open mind on who could coach the AWs, and how a dual coaching gig could possibly work. If upon reflection they decided that it wouldn't work well, that's all above board & fair. Many employers would have similar experiences in a job seeking process.

Where NZF were very poor, was not giving Talay the courtesy of a phone call. To just send a 'in this instance you have not been successful...' email/letter, is poor form, almost immature. 

ClubOranje

Bullion

ClubOranje

Rock Hopper

I know NZF isn't that loony tunes but I would have a giggle and a half if after all that hoopla Italiano was announced as Phoenix head coach tomorrow and then dual role All Whites coach to boot after the Sweden game.

NZF do not want a dual role coach.

Why waste Uffie's time with an interview then?

He applied for the job and was qualified and possibly a suitable candidate.

He may have been open to dropping the Phoenix gig - which he is now doing - if the NZF offer was good enough.
NZF were keeping an open mind on options.

If having an interview is a ‘waste of time’ for anyone, they don’t have enough spare time to do two jobs.

If they had not offered him an interview all the snowflakes on here would have crucified them for it, as they would do regardless of process or final selection.

He was very open about his interest in the AWs job but still wanting to be coaching the 'Nix.

Ryan

martinb

Why would Talay be clearly less qualified than Buckingham? Both have handled youth teams and development. Both have been deputies and Talay has been a head coach in the A League, while Des has been a head coach in the ISL(?). 

We really liked that Singh inspired age group team, but I’m not sure if that alone makes Des a better candidate than Uffie. 

Des worked with NZ at age group level, has won silverware as a head coach, and would have been full time in the role.

Uffie worked with Australia at age group. Hasn’t had the opportunity to have the backing of the City Football Group. However given a look at how most City Football Group teams have performed across all leagues I’d say he’d do well with that kind of backing. 

And with Herbert working closely with NZ players day in day out in actual meaningful match situations improved the NZ team. And international teams full of full grown egos are a different kettle of fish to younger players still being molded. 

As well the A league is a tougher league than where Des is coaching. 

I can’t see that there’s very much in the comparison of coaching ability. 

martinb

Ryan

martinb

Why would Talay be clearly less qualified than Buckingham? Both have handled youth teams and development. Both have been deputies and Talay has been a head coach in the A League, while Des has been a head coach in the ISL(?). 

We really liked that Singh inspired age group team, but I’m not sure if that alone makes Des a better candidate than Uffie. 

Des worked with NZ at age group level, has won silverware as a head coach, and would have been full time in the role.

Uffie worked with Australia at age group. Hasn’t had the opportunity to have the backing of the City Football Group. However given a look at how most City Football Group teams have performed across all leagues I’d say he’d do well with that kind of backing. 

And with Herbert working closely with NZ players day in day out in actual meaningful match situations improved the NZ team. And international teams full of full grown egos are a different kettle of fish to younger players still being molded. 

As well the A league is a tougher league than where Des is coaching. 

I can’t see that there’s very much in the comparison of coaching ability. 

Herbert worked because the All Whites were mostly NZ based, now it's the opposite with the team mostly overseas. The level of professionalism required now, compared to when Herbert was coach, means it was a stupid idea.

Des coached NZ at a higher level than Ufuk coached Australia and qualified NZ for the olympics whereas I don't think Ufuk ever had much success at age group level.

It's all moot though and pointless to debate as Des pulled out and Ufuk was quite rightly not selected.

Pointless to debate- what on here?

Des qualified for the Olympics by beating Pacific Island teams? Is that an enormous achievement? 

Players from Celtic, Tottenham, West Brom and West Ham, with a bunch stateside during Herbert’s day. I mean there was a few more that came home- but maybe we’d see that with the Norwegian/Finland second division, UCL, league two or the Irish league if the Nix had the AWs coach too, ahead of a WC. Perhaps even M Boxall or Tuiloma might consider it for a year before the WC if that were the case. 

Now I know it’s all professional and that… at NZF? 

I just don’t think it’s as cut and dried as you want to make out between the two on paper. 

martinb

Pointless to debate- what on here?

Des qualified for the Olympics by beating Pacific Island teams? Is that an enormous achievement? 

Players from Celtic, Tottenham, West Brom and West Ham, with a bunch stateside during Herbert’s day. I mean there was a few more that came home- but maybe we’d see that with the Norwegian/Finland second division, UCL, league two or the Irish league if the Nix had the AWs coach too, ahead of a WC. Perhaps even M Boxall or Tuiloma might consider it for a year before the WC if that were the case. 

Now I know it’s all professional and that… at NZF? 

I just don’t think it’s as cut and dried as you want to make out between the two on paper. 

Pointless to debate one candidate that pulled out and another that didn't get the job.

A whole lot of maybe's in your squad list for the Nix. The Nix are not a development team for the all whites so maybe they wouldn't even want some of those players.

The main difference is one would have worked full time, the other would have been part time.

The Nix are a development team though and if they think they could get a sell on fee for a player I’m sure they’d be interested at the very least. And good local players is technically our one advantage over the Australian teams.  We might not take them, but we might have more options to choose from than we do currently. 

Des also had a couple of shots at managing the Nix, but didn’t do anything spectacular then. 

Des isn’t Ange. And even Ange had a couple of marginal gigs. 

As for if a part time job might have worked, we seem to be fine for months without any manager appointed currently with the AWs and we don’t know how responsibilities might have balanced otherwise. 
I think Uffie would’ve have told Wood to stay at Forest and look after his health and his club career the way Nelsen did. Perhaps. That’d be at least half the job to get ready for the WC.

Don't think ufuk is getting a decent gig after this. For all the talk of how well (middle of the road in the A-League) he did given the nix had to play in aus during covid, he would have needed to do better than that this year to prove he is better than average A-League level, and in fact we have looked much worse this year than in any other of his seasons, despite (until a month ago) getting better results. But now he isn't getting the results either. Who from outside an A-League context would want to take him? And I think he has finished the season so poorly that Sydney and Victory would definitely think long and hard before offering him the job too, so he is almost certainly going to end up at a Macarthur or Brisbane level next year. 

Yep, this season has reduced his credibility. He wasn't just riding high because of covid, but because in his first season he had us playing great football and we were on track to win the whole thing before covid disruptions.

Still he's a good coach, just starts slowly and then has had the wheels fall off towards the end of the season. The starting slowly is something which is somewhat understandable based on what the players have said about the system, but the wheels falling off at the end is confusing.

His best chance of going overseas is moving to one of the higher spending clubs and winning the competition. Victory would have to be his target, going to another middle of the pack club isn't going to do him much favours. I could see City firing Rado mid season if he doesn't perform, he's struggled in the head coach role before, so if Talay bides his time he might end up in a Rudan situation where he finds himself at a top club purely by being available at the right time.

I think that the quality of team management this season has been poor. In 50 years of following football teams, I've never seen anything like it. Without an in form Kraev we've proved ourselves to be the worst team in the league. This is despite having probably the best centre forward in the league. Our defence is pretty reasonable as well.

Ryan

Yep, this season has reduced his credibility. He wasn't just riding high because of covid, but because in his first season he had us playing great football and we were on track to win the whole thing before covid disruptions.

Still he's a good coach, just starts slowly and then has had the wheels fall off towards the end of the season. The starting slowly is something which is somewhat understandable based on what the players have said about the system, but the wheels falling off at the end is confusing.

His best chance of going overseas is moving to one of the higher spending clubs and winning the competition. Victory would have to be his target, going to another middle of the pack club isn't going to do him much favours. I could see City firing Rado mid season if he doesn't perform, he's struggled in the head coach role before, so if Talay bides his time he might end up in a Rudan situation where he finds himself at a top club purely by being available at the right time.

I think starting slowly and having the wheels fall off means you can no longer call him a good coach tbh. He's average at best which is a word that I know people like to avoid in favor of good or bad but I do think it reflects perfectly on Talay as a coach.

When he had Davila, Devin and co yes the team looked a lot better, but was that because of his system or because of the quality of players? I'd argue that it was the players. The 4222 he plays will keep possession for sure but inherently it will require a couple of hyper creative mids that can split a game wide open to be super effective. Without that it is a poor system that holds the ball and does not a lot else.

I'd also argue that consistently throughout his tenure Talay has been poor at best at game management. Utilization of subs has always been an issue and the defend at all cost a 1-0 lead shows a distinct lack of ideas.

There is an arguement to be made that the players aren't performing as expected and I'm sure we can all agree thats true but ultimately motivating and getting the best out of a team is the coaches job, he hasn't done well at this.

Monto

Ryan

Yep, this season has reduced his credibility. He wasn't just riding high because of covid, but because in his first season he had us playing great football and we were on track to win the whole thing before covid disruptions.

Still he's a good coach, just starts slowly and then has had the wheels fall off towards the end of the season. The starting slowly is something which is somewhat understandable based on what the players have said about the system, but the wheels falling off at the end is confusing.

His best chance of going overseas is moving to one of the higher spending clubs and winning the competition. Victory would have to be his target, going to another middle of the pack club isn't going to do him much favours. I could see City firing Rado mid season if he doesn't perform, he's struggled in the head coach role before, so if Talay bides his time he might end up in a Rudan situation where he finds himself at a top club purely by being available at the right time.

I think starting slowly and having the wheels fall off means you can no longer call him a good coach tbh. He's average at best which is a word that I know people like to avoid in favor of good or bad but I do think it reflects perfectly on Talay as a coach.

When he had Davila, Devin and co yes the team looked a lot better, but was that because of his system or because of the quality of players? I'd argue that it was the players. The 4222 he plays will keep possession for sure but inherently it will require a couple of hyper creative mids that can split a game wide open to be super effective. Without that it is a poor system that holds the ball and does not a lot else.

I'd also argue that consistently throughout his tenure Talay has been poor at best at game management. Utilization of subs has always been an issue and the defend at all cost a 1-0 lead shows a distinct lack of ideas.

There is an arguement to be made that the players aren't performing as expected and I'm sure we can all agree thats true but ultimately motivating and getting the best out of a team is the coaches job, he hasn't done well at this.

ufuk has said that defending 1-0 leads is never the plan but his hand is forced because the team doesn't hold possession when leading late in the game, they even hired psychologists to get to the bottom of it. The telling statement was from sail a couple of games ago when he said he doesn't agree with attacking while in front and prefers the back to the wall grind out the win approach.

TALAY OUT

Fire him this instant and put Chiefy in charge. It's clear as day he's lost interest and seeing out his time before he moves on.

Eversince he lost out on the All Whites job he's not cared one bit - and the results are matching his attitude.

Can't change the players but a new coach might bring back some pride and fight for the last game(s)

Any European club would have fired him by now (he'll learn that lesson at his next gig)

Its about time the Nix management show some guts and make the tough calls. They have absolutely nothing to lose

Ryan

Monto

Ryan

Yep, this season has reduced his credibility. He wasn't just riding high because of covid, but because in his first season he had us playing great football and we were on track to win the whole thing before covid disruptions.

Still he's a good coach, just starts slowly and then has had the wheels fall off towards the end of the season. The starting slowly is something which is somewhat understandable based on what the players have said about the system, but the wheels falling off at the end is confusing.

His best chance of going overseas is moving to one of the higher spending clubs and winning the competition. Victory would have to be his target, going to another middle of the pack club isn't going to do him much favours. I could see City firing Rado mid season if he doesn't perform, he's struggled in the head coach role before, so if Talay bides his time he might end up in a Rudan situation where he finds himself at a top club purely by being available at the right time.

I think starting slowly and having the wheels fall off means you can no longer call him a good coach tbh. He's average at best which is a word that I know people like to avoid in favor of good or bad but I do think it reflects perfectly on Talay as a coach.

When he had Davila, Devin and co yes the team looked a lot better, but was that because of his system or because of the quality of players? I'd argue that it was the players. The 4222 he plays will keep possession for sure but inherently it will require a couple of hyper creative mids that can split a game wide open to be super effective. Without that it is a poor system that holds the ball and does not a lot else.

I'd also argue that consistently throughout his tenure Talay has been poor at best at game management. Utilization of subs has always been an issue and the defend at all cost a 1-0 lead shows a distinct lack of ideas.

There is an arguement to be made that the players aren't performing as expected and I'm sure we can all agree thats true but ultimately motivating and getting the best out of a team is the coaches job, he hasn't done well at this.

ufuk has said that defending 1-0 leads is never the plan but his hand is forced because the team doesn't hold possession when leading late in the game, they even hired psychologists to get to the bottom of it. The telling statement was from sail a couple of games ago when he said he doesn't agree with attacking while in front and prefers the back to the wall grind out the win approach.

So change the plan then, come up with something else. This is my problem with Talay, he's got a plan A and it's that or bust.

Monto

Ryan

Monto

Ryan

Yep, this season has reduced his credibility. He wasn't just riding high because of covid, but because in his first season he had us playing great football and we were on track to win the whole thing before covid disruptions.

Still he's a good coach, just starts slowly and then has had the wheels fall off towards the end of the season. The starting slowly is something which is somewhat understandable based on what the players have said about the system, but the wheels falling off at the end is confusing.

His best chance of going overseas is moving to one of the higher spending clubs and winning the competition. Victory would have to be his target, going to another middle of the pack club isn't going to do him much favours. I could see City firing Rado mid season if he doesn't perform, he's struggled in the head coach role before, so if Talay bides his time he might end up in a Rudan situation where he finds himself at a top club purely by being available at the right time.

I think starting slowly and having the wheels fall off means you can no longer call him a good coach tbh. He's average at best which is a word that I know people like to avoid in favor of good or bad but I do think it reflects perfectly on Talay as a coach.

When he had Davila, Devin and co yes the team looked a lot better, but was that because of his system or because of the quality of players? I'd argue that it was the players. The 4222 he plays will keep possession for sure but inherently it will require a couple of hyper creative mids that can split a game wide open to be super effective. Without that it is a poor system that holds the ball and does not a lot else.

I'd also argue that consistently throughout his tenure Talay has been poor at best at game management. Utilization of subs has always been an issue and the defend at all cost a 1-0 lead shows a distinct lack of ideas.

There is an arguement to be made that the players aren't performing as expected and I'm sure we can all agree thats true but ultimately motivating and getting the best out of a team is the coaches job, he hasn't done well at this.

ufuk has said that defending 1-0 leads is never the plan but his hand is forced because the team doesn't hold possession when leading late in the game, they even hired psychologists to get to the bottom of it. The telling statement was from sail a couple of games ago when he said he doesn't agree with attacking while in front and prefers the back to the wall grind out the win approach.

So change the plan then, come up with something else. This is my problem with Talay, he's got a plan A and it's that or bust.

But that's not true, we play with three at the back. He's a lot more flexible than he was at the start and Kosta said when he joined that there  was a lot of adjustments because all though the Phoenix play a similar formation to Sydney there's a lot more variation in it. Not to say that the plans are effective, but the team often looks competitive and creates a lot of chances but just misses clear cut chances and concedes soft goals.

InsulinMachine

TALAY OUT

Fire him this instant and put Chiefy in charge. It's clear as day he's lost interest and seeing out his time before he moves on.

Eversince he lost out on the All Whites job he's not cared one bit - and the results are matching his attitude.

Can't change the players but a new coach might bring back some pride and fight for the last game(s)

Any European club would have fired him by now (he'll learn that lesson at his next gig)

Its about time the Nix management show some guts and make the tough calls. They have absolutely nothing to lose

No club in Europe will sack a coach who's got the team in a finals position. And "Talay Out" is pretty redundant...

Depends on your standards. Bayern Munich sackt Nagelsmann: 37 Games, 3 Losses.

Ryan

InsulinMachine

TALAY OUT

Fire him this instant and put Chiefy in charge. It's clear as day he's lost interest and seeing out his time before he moves on.

Eversince he lost out on the All Whites job he's not cared one bit - and the results are matching his attitude.

Can't change the players but a new coach might bring back some pride and fight for the last game(s)

Any European club would have fired him by now (he'll learn that lesson at his next gig)

Its about time the Nix management show some guts and make the tough calls. They have absolutely nothing to lose

No club in Europe will sack a coach who's got the team in a finals position. And "Talay Out" is pretty redundant...

 

You mean other than:
Barcelona
Rangers
PSG
Real Madrid
Sporting
Copenhagen 
Hamburg
Anderlecht
Hearts
Who all sacked their managers while top of the table.

Calling for the managers head with 1 game to go in the regular season is so over-reactionary - especially as he's already announced he's leaving and we've named his successor.
This season has been totally rocks and diamonds - a bit like Sasse really. We've played some really decent footy and then look horrid in other games. Kinda reflected with our 8 wins, 8 draws and 9 losses. The key stat that shows this is the 23 points we've dropped from leading positions. Had we managed to hold the lead in all of those games we'd have #1 spot on 55 points. Even if we'd managed to hold onto half of those points we'd be second on 45. It just shows the potential that we had and in all reality had we not thrown away leads by losing focus or daft defensive errors we'd be in a way better place. BUT!!! We are 6th and fighting for a spot in the knockout series - There is no point in giving it away just yet! I can't stand the defeatest attitudes from Sail and some of the senior players. Yeah you played badly, yeah your 6th and struggling but your professional fudgein footballers, buck your ideas up and play till the end of the season - whenever that is.

theprof

Calling for the managers head with 1 game to go in the regular season is so over-reactionary - especially as he's already announced he's leaving and we've named his successor.
This season has been totally rocks and diamonds - a bit like Sasse really. We've played some really decent footy and then look horrid in other games. Kinda reflected with our 8 wins, 8 draws and 9 losses. The key stat that shows this is the 23 points we've dropped from leading positions. Had we managed to hold the lead in all of those games we'd have #1 spot on 55 points. Even if we'd managed to hold onto half of those points we'd be second on 45. It just shows the potential that we had and in all reality had we not thrown away leads by losing focus or daft defensive errors we'd be in a way better place. BUT!!! We are 6th and fighting for a spot in the knockout series - There is no point in giving it away just yet! I can't stand the defeatest attitudes from Sail and some of the senior players. Yeah you played badly, yeah your 6th and struggling but your professional fudgein footballers, buck your ideas up and play till the end of the season - whenever that is.

Welp, Sail's gone as well, so you won't have to worry about his attitude next season

Correct but this season isn't over yet so the attitude sucks.

Bananas

Correct but this season isn't over yet so the attitude sucks.

Highly unprofessional. I don’t care what shark is happening behind the scenes, they look like horrendous professionals and have lost respect from the fans. Such a disappointing end to the season. 

I got shouted at a lot last time I said this, but: I honestly believe the reason the Nix don't succeed is a negative, can't-win-won't-try club culture, and I don't even think the CEO or the coach can do anything about it, because it's a player attitude passed on within the player group. I mean, a bevy of sports psychs could possibly change it, but as the old joke goes, you've got to want to chane.

Doloras

I got shouted at a lot last time I said this, but: I honestly believe the reason the Nix don't succeed is a negative, can't-win-won't-try club culture, and I don't even think the CEO or the coach can do anything about it, because it's a player attitude passed on within the player group. I mean, a bevy of sports psychs could possibly change it, but as the old joke goes, you've got to want to chane.

Perhaps, Uffie has said something similar in his recent interviews especailly around the games when we've thrown a win away. 

theprof

Doloras

I got shouted at a lot last time I said this, but: I honestly believe the reason the Nix don't succeed is a negative, can't-win-won't-try club culture, and I don't even think the CEO or the coach can do anything about it, because it's a player attitude passed on within the player group. I mean, a bevy of sports psychs could possibly change it, but as the old joke goes, you've got to want to chane.

Perhaps, Uffie has said something similar in his recent interviews especailly around the games when we've thrown a win away. 

And he's not the first. I'll never forget Ernie Merrick describing the 2013 Nix as "the nicest bunch of losers in the world". Didn't Uffie claim, though, to have at least beaten the underdog mentality out of them? Clearly the beatings have to continue under Chiefy for anything to change

Doloras

theprof

Doloras

I got shouted at a lot last time I said this, but: I honestly believe the reason the Nix don't succeed is a negative, can't-win-won't-try club culture, and I don't even think the CEO or the coach can do anything about it, because it's a player attitude passed on within the player group. I mean, a bevy of sports psychs could possibly change it, but as the old joke goes, you've got to want to chane.

Perhaps, Uffie has said something similar in his recent interviews especailly around the games when we've thrown a win away. 

And he's not the first. I'll never forget Ernie Merrick describing the 2013 Nix as "the nicest bunch of losers in the world". Didn't Uffie claim, though, to have at least beaten the underdog mentality out of them? Clearly the beatings have to continue under Chiefy for anything to change

I think the "underdog" mentality has well and truely gone - usually it fires tems up to beat the odds. It's now an issue of staying focussed when in control of matches - which is a totally different headspace.

I would agree with Doloras if it was like that through the whole season. But we had good results halfway through the season, good enough to now ride on these points at 6th despite gaining just one point (against Brisbane) over five games.
I do see a difference in performance of other teams that seem to have lifted at the right time, and also a change in our own for the worse. The timing of this shift - I may be wrong here - looks to me like something happened around the time of the  international break a few months ago.

And through Ufuk's tenure and also the season after Merrick made those comments we had periods of being the best team in the comp.

Not dealing well with pressure is different from having a negative mindset.

Well someone said we wanted to win on hard mode. Doesn’t get much more difficult than where we’ve landed ourselves. Tbh, I thinking we created as many chances as in many of our winning games. WSW defended Zawada very well and we couldn’t win when we weren’t playing so well. Elliot and then Lewis or Mauragis created 2-3 very good opportunities when usually Zawada has only needed one. Each time the defender was there out jumping him.