Yes thought the defender put out a clumsy leg on coveny
Tommy_Smyth2008-10-07 11:43:39
Tommy_Smyth2008-10-07 11:43:39
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Dived. Said once and I'll say it again
Coveny = bigger diver than ronaldo.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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no way dod he dive, possibly went over a little too quick, but the defender certainly caught him, deserved a fould, as its in the box has to be a penalty.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I thought both penalties were simply down to tremendously poor defending.
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Coveny did well to shield the ball and get fouled without the defender getting the ball. Definitely a penalty.
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Penalty. Leant into the defender and got chopped. No doubt.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Wise old fox vs young defender & referee = penalty....
Covs played for it with his run and knew exactly what he was doing once he was inside the box......wasn't that clear cut and could've gone either way but I feel it was a pen. Defender stretched out across Covs, didn't get the ball but did make contact and Covs went down (although leaning into the defender).
I often think the best way to look at these 50-50's is if we were defending and the penalty was awarded against us we'd be up in arms calling the opposition striker a diver and cheat......wouldn't we?
Win some, lose some.....cancelled out by their slight offside so happy overall.....just glad we got both penalty calls in our favour and we got the draw.
Covs played for it with his run and knew exactly what he was doing once he was inside the box......wasn't that clear cut and could've gone either way but I feel it was a pen. Defender stretched out across Covs, didn't get the ball but did make contact and Covs went down (although leaning into the defender).
I often think the best way to look at these 50-50's is if we were defending and the penalty was awarded against us we'd be up in arms calling the opposition striker a diver and cheat......wouldn't we?
Win some, lose some.....cancelled out by their slight offside so happy overall.....just glad we got both penalty calls in our favour and we got the draw.
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the value of experience - coveney sold the penalty by running across the path of the defender drawing the challenge then falling to the turf well worked very clever
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Of course it was a penalty. Incredibly stupid challenge from the defender, but that's not Coveny's fault.
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Stuck at my sister's place. Watched the replay last night.
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Aye, I've added my apology on there too...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zel7zweqeG0
He goes down before leg contact is even made..
Scottishbhoy2008-10-07 13:08:37ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Don't you be coming on here waving your video evidence around.....
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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But contact was made = he was fouled. Foul in the box = Penalty.
End of.
End of.
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But contact was made = he was fouled. Foul in the box = Penalty.
End of.
End of.
Shoulder to shoulder stuff where covs goes down..
I obv. can't win so i'm not even going to bother.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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But contact was made = he was fouled. Foul in the box = Penalty. End of.
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Shoulder to shoulder stuff where covs goes down..
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You can't win because you're wrong. Did the defender hit him on the leg without making contact with the ball?
Yes. That's a foul. It was in the box. That's a penalty. Whether Coveny was falling over before that is irrelevant.
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Covs moved right in front of the defender and went down. Not the defenders fault, he never budged.
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Covs was shielding the ball and the defender extended his leg towards Covs and made contact.
Incredibly dumb move from the defender.el grapadura2008-10-07 13:23:06
Incredibly dumb move from the defender.el grapadura2008-10-07 13:23:06
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Covs moved right in front of the defender and went down. Not the defenders fault, he never budged.
i am completely with el g on this one, watch the replay again, they are shoulder to shoulder, is coveny looking for it? yes!, did the defender shove his leg out infront of cov whle making contact, and completely missing the ball, yes. = penalty. resoundingly so
defender took the bait hook line and sinker, he shovesd his leg out and missed the ball. cna't see how u can argue the other way
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Covs moved right in front of the defender and went down. Not the defenders fault, he never budged.
Well somebody stuck out a leg which made contact. Who was that then?
Jag2008-10-07 13:49:46Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Hmm. Watching it from behind I thought definite penalty. Watching it from the front, I have to say it looked as though Covs started to go down before any contact was made. Tough call either way.
Still. The Jets second was offside. And our second penalty had no question mark - unbelievable challenge from the defender for that one.
Still. The Jets second was offside. And our second penalty had no question mark - unbelievable challenge from the defender for that one.
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Covs moved right in front of the defender and went down. Not the defenders fault, he never budged.
Well somebody stuck out a leg which made contact. Who was that then?
Covs is already heading down before the leg is stuck out. If Covs stayed on his feet then contact would have been almost nothing. Yes well done Covs, looked for the penalty and yes from the Refs view it seems penalty but from looking on the tv reply it's a dive. Just my opinion. We all have different ones.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Jag, you are a ref i believe? Does the attacking or defending side get the benifit of the doubt when there is a hint of offside.
I actually don't know, and I am just in my 1st year of refn, so would be helpful.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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But whyare you placing all this on Coveny? If the defender didn't stick his leg out accross Coveny, there'd have been no penalty. But he did, he fouled Coveny, and the penalty was rightfully given. It's the defender's fault - he doesn't lunge in, there's no discussion. But he did, and that was it.
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But whyare you placing all this on Coveny? If the defender didn't stick his leg out accross Coveny, there'd have been no penalty. But he did, he fouled Coveny, and the penalty was rightfully given. It's the defender's fault - he doesn't lunge in, there's no discussion. But he did, and that was it.
Covs is going down before the leg is been stuck out. i've watched the replay on YT about 20 times, and everytime i think the same thing.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Jag, you are a ref i believe? Does the attacking or defending side get the benifit of the doubt when there is a hint of offside.
I actually don't know, and I am just in my 1st year of refn, so would be helpful.
Well, as an official you can only give what you see. If you're not sure, then you tend not to give anything. As a result, the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team by default for offsides.
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Jag, you are a ref i believe? Does the attacking or defending side get the benifit of the doubt when there is a hint of offside.
I actually don't know, and I am just in my 1st year of refn, so would be helpful.
Well, as an official you can only give what you see. If you're not sure, then you tend not to give anything. As a result, the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team by default for offsides.
Well put. There's no such thing, from a refereeing point of view, as a hint of offside. You're either offside or you aint.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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But we're talking two separate incidents.
1. Coveny going into the box with the ball, defender tracks him, makes shoulder to shoulder contact. Coveny's outmuscled (or can't sustain the pace whatever), starts shielding the ball away from the defender. He loses balance in the process - may be looking for a foul, maybe not.
2. While this is going on, the defender sticks his leg out, and whacks Coveny accross his legs and gets nowhere near the ball. That's a foul - whatever happened before that was not. So, if the defender doesn't make that challenge, there's no penalty. But he did - whatever happened before the defender stuck his leg out was fine, and play was allowed to go on. But the final challenge was definitely a foul, and the penalty was correctly awarded.
1. Coveny going into the box with the ball, defender tracks him, makes shoulder to shoulder contact. Coveny's outmuscled (or can't sustain the pace whatever), starts shielding the ball away from the defender. He loses balance in the process - may be looking for a foul, maybe not.
2. While this is going on, the defender sticks his leg out, and whacks Coveny accross his legs and gets nowhere near the ball. That's a foul - whatever happened before that was not. So, if the defender doesn't make that challenge, there's no penalty. But he did - whatever happened before the defender stuck his leg out was fine, and play was allowed to go on. But the final challenge was definitely a foul, and the penalty was correctly awarded.
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But we're talking two separate incidents.
1. Coveny going into the box with the ball, defender tracks him, makes shoulder to shoulder contact. Coveny's outmuscled (or can't sustain the pace whatever), starts shielding the ball away from the defender. He loses balance in the process - may be looking for a foul, maybe not.
2. While this is going on, the defender sticks his leg out, and whacks Coveny accross his legs and gets nowhere near the ball. That's a foul - whatever happened before that was not. So, if the defender doesn't make that challenge, there's no penalty. But he did - whatever happened before the defender stuck his leg out was fine, and play was allowed to go on. But the final challenge was definitely a foul, and the penalty was correctly awarded.
1. Coveny going into the box with the ball, defender tracks him, makes shoulder to shoulder contact. Coveny's outmuscled (or can't sustain the pace whatever), starts shielding the ball away from the defender. He loses balance in the process - may be looking for a foul, maybe not.
2. While this is going on, the defender sticks his leg out, and whacks Coveny accross his legs and gets nowhere near the ball. That's a foul - whatever happened before that was not. So, if the defender doesn't make that challenge, there's no penalty. But he did - whatever happened before the defender stuck his leg out was fine, and play was allowed to go on. But the final challenge was definitely a foul, and the penalty was correctly awarded.
Amen. 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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nice el.
A soft penalty,but still a penalty nonetheless.
Just because a player is looking for a penalty doesnt mean hes diving (although he may have been...).
But dive or no dive before contact...there was still contact that would have brought him down anyways imo,so penalty. Having said that it possibly could have gone either way...due to the fact it was soft
Allegedly
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Jag, you are a ref i believe? Does the attacking or defending side get the benifit of the doubt when there is a hint of offside.
I actually don't know, and I am just in my 1st year of refn, so would be helpful.
Well, as an official you can only give what you see. If you're not sure, then you tend not to give anything. As a result, the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team by default for offsides.
Well put. There's no such thing, from a refereeing point of view, as a hint of offside. You're either offside or you aint.
Ah, never thought of it in that way. Thanks.
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But whyare you placing all this on Coveny? If the defender didn't stick his leg out accross Coveny, there'd have been no penalty. But he did, he fouled Coveny, and the penalty was rightfully given. It's the defender's fault - he doesn't lunge in, there's no discussion. But he did, and that was it.
Covs is going down before the leg is been stuck out. i've watched the replay on YT about 20 times, and everytime i think the same thing.
thats just it you think a normal ref gets the same benefit from behind, it looked like a penalty , coveny did cut back inside but the defenders big mistake was to then slide across him which made contact with his legs penalty every day of the week, reagardless of wether he went down first its still a penalty
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I thought it was very marginal. Covs was basically running away from the ball and heading for the turf at the same time.
I need to go watch it again ...
On review, I think it was prob a pen. You can argue Coveny was shielding the ball - and it was a sloppy leg out by the defender.
Marius Lacatus2008-10-07 16:06:30
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It was soft, but in reality the defender did not get the ball (if I remember correctly) and he made contact with the striker, does that not answer it there?
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But whyare you placing all this on Coveny? If the defender didn't stick his leg out accross Coveny, there'd have been no penalty. But he did, he fouled Coveny, and the penalty was rightfully given. It's the defender's fault - he doesn't lunge in, there's no discussion. But he did, and that was it.
Covs is going down before the leg is been stuck out. i've watched the replay on YT about 20 times, and everytime i think the same thing.
whether he was going down or not its completely irrelevant, the penalty was not given for him falling as was said here, defenders cant chuck there leg out, and miss the ball, if they do = penalty, he did that
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Maybe he wont over a bit quick but as said above you cant just take someone out in the box
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