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2015/16 Transfer Speculation

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over 10 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

All pre-season we have been playing 3-4-3, so would expect we will stick to that until it falls apart once the season starts properly
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over 10 years ago
Currently we are asking 3 defenders north of 30 to play every game. Won't happen. Of other defenders - Fenton and Doyle -neither is a CB, now one injured. No Boxall or JBS. Ernie must reckon on being able to get an upgrade in comparison to Musa, Eagar etc. We need 2 central defenders of the right calibre/experience quick smart.

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over 10 years ago

Ernie will know this but who is available?

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over 10 years ago

I'm confident that if Krishna stays uninjured he'll smack 15 in and i'm not really a big fan of him. He'll miss a lot too but he'll still get up for a lot of goals and probably score a couple of individual brilliance goals. Simply because the quality around him I believe is really good.

For me the midfield and attack is sorted including depth. Maybe a bigger striker like the Griffiths or Brockie but I don't think it's 100% essential. 

We just needa make some good defencive signings, but there's time i'm not worried.

Also this city team is a team of really good players and shark players. I don't think they will be that great, but I could be wrong.


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over 10 years ago

SmithsCity wrote:

I'm confident that if Krishna stays uninjured he'll smack 15 in and i'm not really a big fan of him. He'll miss a lot too but he'll still get up for a lot of goals and probably score a couple of individual brilliance goals. Simply because the quality around him I believe is really good.

For me the midfield and attack is sorted including depth. Maybe a bigger striker like the Griffiths or Brockie but I don't think it's 100% essential. 

We just needa make some good defencive signings, but there's time i'm not worried.

Also this city team is a team of really good players and shark players. I don't think they will be that great, but I could be wrong.

You recon Krishna for golden boot?

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

SmithsCity wrote:

I'm confident that if Krishna stays uninjured he'll smack 15 in and i'm not really a big fan of him. He'll miss a lot too but he'll still get up for a lot of goals and probably score a couple of individual brilliance goals. Simply because the quality around him I believe is really good.

For me the midfield and attack is sorted including depth. Maybe a bigger striker like the Griffiths or Brockie but I don't think it's 100% essential. 

We just needa make some good defencive signings, but there's time i'm not worried.

Also this city team is a team of really good players and shark players. I don't think they will be that great, but I could be wrong.

You recon Krishna for golden boot?

Always been a krishna lover and a Boyd hater. hahah nah maybe more like 12-13, but I wouldn't be surprised if he bangs in more. If we're a near top of the league team and Krishna is the kind of player who gets on the ball and wants to score


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over 10 years ago

RR wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

All pre-season we have been playing 3-4-3, so would expect we will stick to that until it falls apart once the season starts properly

Wasn't there talk that Ernie said we won't necessarily line up in that way? I don't know why we would play 3 centre backs when that doesn't suit our squad. We only have 3 centre backs on the books right now. If we are going to play like that then we need to sign someone quality. If we pick 3-4-3 with Fenton and Doyle then we only 5 other midfield players. This means that A-Rod/Weemac probably wouldn't be in our starting line up.

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over 10 years ago

HZA wrote:

Ernie will know this but who is available?

Thwaite was meant to be going to the Roar but now the Roar have money problems. There is also talk that Donachie and Jade North want out. Donachie is young but the problem with North/Thwaite is that they are both north of 30. Either would be a good pick up for this season but what we really need is a young centre back for the future. This is probably Siggy's last year while I reckon Durante would only go a couple more max. Also older players are going to pick up more injuries.

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over 10 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

I think most of the season it was a slightly lopsided 4-4-2 diamond, or a slightly llopsided 4-2-2-2 box midfield (maybe a parallelogram? Is that right word?). Basically Riera stayed back at all times and WeeMac stayed forward all the time, while A-Rod/Lia mostly stayed  back and Roly mostly stayed forward.We also played a 4-2-3-1 with the Griff a couple of times

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over 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

RR wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

All pre-season we have been playing 3-4-3, so would expect we will stick to that until it falls apart once the season starts properly

Wasn't there talk that Ernie said we won't necessarily line up in that way? I don't know why we would play 3 centre backs when that doesn't suit our squad. We only have 3 centre backs on the books right now. If we are going to play like that then we need to sign someone quality. If we pick 3-4-3 with Fenton and Doyle then we only 5 other midfield players. This means that A-Rod/Weemac probably wouldn't be in our starting line up.

Don't we only have 2 CBs? Who is the third? (This even reinforces the point more though)

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over 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

RR wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

All pre-season we have been playing 3-4-3, so would expect we will stick to that until it falls apart once the season starts properly

Wasn't there talk that Ernie said we won't necessarily line up in that way? I don't know why we would play 3 centre backs when that doesn't suit our squad. We only have 3 centre backs on the books right now. If we are going to play like that then we need to sign someone quality. If we pick 3-4-3 with Fenton and Doyle then we only 5 other midfield players. This means that A-Rod/Weemac probably wouldn't be in our starting line up.

Don't we only have 2 CBs? Who is the third? (This even reinforces the point more though)

I was including Muscat which is a bit of a stretch.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

RR wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

All pre-season we have been playing 3-4-3, so would expect we will stick to that until it falls apart once the season starts properly

Wasn't there talk that Ernie said we won't necessarily line up in that way? I don't know why we would play 3 centre backs when that doesn't suit our squad. We only have 3 centre backs on the books right now. If we are going to play like that then we need to sign someone quality. If we pick 3-4-3 with Fenton and Doyle then we only 5 other midfield players. This means that A-Rod/Weemac probably wouldn't be in our starting line up.

Don't we only have 2 CBs? Who is the third? (This even reinforces the point more though)

Manny & Doyle have been slotting into the back 3 during pre-season
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over 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:
Currently we are asking 3 defenders north of 30 to play every game. Won't happen. Of other defenders - Fenton and Doyle -neither is a CB, now one injured. No Boxall or JBS. Ernie must reckon on being able to get an upgrade in comparison to Musa, Eagar etc. We need 2 central defenders of the right calibre/experience quick smart.
With the Mature Age Rookie roster spot outside the 23 man squad & salary cap, we could take a risk on someone like Eagar now & the minimum of 55k wages is the only real cost of giving him a chance.
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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Always liked Twaithe, always smiling, next to Manny always grumpy, it would be a killer combination.

Think he may be a bit too old for Ernie to pick up however with Sigge and Dura there as well.


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over 10 years ago

So we have 2 centre backs, and 2 not-a-centrebacks?

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over 10 years ago
I'd love to build a defence for the future around michael Fitzgerald, but I think that ship has sailed.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 10 years ago
RR, I agree minimal risk re mature rookie clause and Eagar.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 10 years ago

RR wrote:

Global Game wrote:
Currently we are asking 3 defenders north of 30 to play every game. Won't happen. Of other defenders - Fenton and Doyle -neither is a CB, now one injured. No Boxall or JBS. Ernie must reckon on being able to get an upgrade in comparison to Musa, Eagar etc. We need 2 central defenders of the right calibre/experience quick smart.
With the Mature Age Rookie roster spot outside the 23 man squad & salary cap, we could take a risk on someone like Eagar now & the minimum of 55k wages is the only real cost of giving him a chance.

Or Eager could laugh at your 55k

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over 10 years ago

wasnt thwaite perths marquee?? i doubt we could afford him

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over 10 years ago

maynardf wrote:

wasnt thwaite perths marquee?? i doubt we could afford him

He was but if he went to Brisbane he wouldn't be marquee. Either way, he would still want a fair chunk of money.

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over 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

RR wrote:

Global Game wrote:
Currently we are asking 3 defenders north of 30 to play every game. Won't happen. Of other defenders - Fenton and Doyle -neither is a CB, now one injured. No Boxall or JBS. Ernie must reckon on being able to get an upgrade in comparison to Musa, Eagar etc. We need 2 central defenders of the right calibre/experience quick smart.
With the Mature Age Rookie roster spot outside the 23 man squad & salary cap, we could take a risk on someone like Eagar now & the minimum of 55k wages is the only real cost of giving him a chance.

Or Eager could laugh at your 55k

Yes, that is always a possibility. We have the roster spot to use, outside the cap & 23 man squad. So its a relatively low risk option to look for a back up CB.
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over 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Thwaite was meant to be going to the Roar but now the Roar have money problems. There is also talk that Donachie and Jade North want out. Donachie is young but the problem with North/Thwaite is that they are both north of 30.

Also that North was pretty pants when he played for us last time.


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over 10 years ago

Anyone have a stream for the ffa cup game against City


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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

nope

cods

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over 10 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

He's a good player but is he really what we need? We have 4 overseas players in the midfield while we have big weaknesses at the back (especially if we are going to play 3 centre backs) and lack a striker. Ernie must feel that either he has a good striker lined up or that he convert someone into a striker.

This is spot on.

Proven by the FFA cup shambles tonight.

Our defensive options look even thinner now that Fenton looks to be out for a while again.

And Doyle, the other fullback / wingback option has always looked more of a bench player.

Ernie's off-season recruiting has been poor so far.

He hasn't signed anyone at all to score the goals previously provided by the departed Burns, Brockie, Boyd and Cunningham.

Sarpong is a quality signing as a midfielder / winger but has a very poor goal-scoring record (8 league goals in 10 seasons as a pro in 136 games; 2 goals in 28 appearances last season was his joint highest in a season). He's unlikely to become another Nathan Burns in the goals department.

A midfield of Bonevacia, Riera, Rodriguez and McGlinchey does look very promising.

I have big doubts about having Krishna and Sarpong up front though.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 10 years ago

As much as people seem to disagree, I think most other teams get better squads each year at faster rates than we do. The league is getting better and we will always struggle to get good enough players to keep up, especially with all the weird salary cap loopholes etc that other teams exploit/FFA allows. Some of our players are easily A-League level, but then there is a bit of a drop-off. We played some really good football last year but success is more about consistency. Hopefully some dark horses play really well this season to make up the shortfall.

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over 10 years ago

I think last year we had some of the best recruitment, this year not so much but then we only had one foreign spot to play with.

Ebs and flows.

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over 10 years ago

SmithsCity wrote:

Anyone have a stream for the ffa cup game against City

u meant the ffs cup game eh...;>)

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over 10 years ago

Cosimo wrote:

As much as people seem to disagree, I think most other teams get better squads each year at faster rates than we do. The league is getting better and we will always struggle to get good enough players to keep up, especially with all the weird salary cap loopholes etc that other teams exploit/FFA allows. Some of our players are easily A-League level, but then there is a bit of a drop-off. We played some really good football last year but success is more about consistency. Hopefully some dark horses play really well this season to make up the shortfall.

I think Victory and Sydney have gone backwards over the offseason whereas Adelaide have stayed about the same. Melbourne City I think are the big improvers. WSW should have a better year. Perth have lost some players like Keogh but have made some signings who could be great or who could be busts. Brisbane, Newcastle and CCM probably will be about the same.

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over 10 years ago

What about Ryan De Vries. Hes worth a look I reckon.

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

DK wrote:

What about Ryan De Vries. Hes worth a look I reckon.

He just walked out on a contract with a club (Bentleigh Greens) on 3 days' notice. Unless there's some very mitigating circumstances not yet released, that's extremely poor.

He'd have to REALLY convince me after that.


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over 10 years ago

I think we've got enough like him anyway

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over 10 years ago

Oska wrote:

I think we've got enough like him anyway

So much this, we have enough small fast attackers. We need a centre back or maybe even 2 if we are sticking with this formation, and possibly a left back, and personally I think a traditional centre forward wouldn't go amiss.

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While we talked a lot about our attacking options now that Burns is gone, I am instead wondering where our next generation of central backs will come from. 

While last year we did not leak in as many goals as in the previous one, this may have been a odd "good" year for our defence. Dura and Siggy are not getting any younger, and I do not see anyone around the other A-League squads we would be targeting either.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 10 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

I think most of the season it was a slightly lopsided 4-4-2 diamond, or a slightly llopsided 4-2-2-2 box midfield (maybe a parallelogram? Is that right word?). Basically Riera stayed back at all times and WeeMac stayed forward all the time, while A-Rod/Lia mostly stayed  back and Roly mostly stayed forward.We also played a 4-2-3-1 with the Griff a couple of times

I don't think the parallelogram is our best formation. We should move to a pentagram.

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over 10 years ago

The Nix is where you NZ CB's go to die.

Old, Musa, Adams...all came and left with their careers dead.

Credit to Old and Musa who are now making a go of it overseas in professional environments.

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over 10 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

Why do people think we play 4-2-3-1?

We more often played 4-2-2-2 with the box midfield last year. The only time we seemed to play 4-2-3-1 was with Brocks spearheading the line.

I think most of the season it was a slightly lopsided 4-4-2 diamond, or a slightly llopsided 4-2-2-2 box midfield (maybe a parallelogram? Is that right word?). Basically Riera stayed back at all times and WeeMac stayed forward all the time, while A-Rod/Lia mostly stayed  back and Roly mostly stayed forward.We also played a 4-2-3-1 with the Griff a couple of times

I don't think the parallelogram is our best formation. We should move to a pentagram.

The 2-3-1 in a 4-2-3-1 is kind of a pentagram. Or were you thinking an inversed one might suit us better? 

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over 10 years ago

We really ran out of steam at the end of last season, I always felt we needed new blood.  We've made space in the squad so I still have hope that there are some new signings to come!

Normo's coming home

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over 10 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

The Nix is where you NZ CB's go to die.

Old, Musa, Adams...all came and left with their careers dead.

Credit to Old and Musa who are now making a go of it overseas in professional environments.

Siggy is the exception that proves the rule? Was signed as a squad player behind Mckain if I recall correctly?

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