Although here:
https://www.govt.nz/browse/nz-passports-and-citize...
it says you have to have had the right to be in NZ idefinitely for the last five years.
2015/16 Transfer Speculation
I think the 2nd link is the more accurate one, it's clarifying the basic info from the first link. The law itself is here:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1977/006...
No ambiguity in it. You just need to have held the right to reside here indefinitely for the last 5 years. Only holders of residence visas have the right to be here indefinitely. Therefore, you need to have held some form of residence visa for 5 years. Dura was ok because Aussies effectively hold residence the moment they arrive in NZ.
Yep.
I wonder what visa he was here on for 7 years? If it was a temporary work visa then 7 years isn't particularly temporary. It could be that he had a residence permit but not a permanent residence visa until he joined the nix. The main difference being that a permanent residence visa is required to leave the country.
Of course if the Phoenix was NZF they would read the first article and not the second and assume that they are right.
Yep.
I wonder what visa he was here on for 7 years? If it was a temporary work visa then 7 years isn't particularly temporary. It could be that he had a residence permit but not a permanent residence visa until he joined the nix. The main difference being that a permanent residence visa is required to leave the country.
Of course if the Phoenix was NZF they would read the first article and not the second and assume that they are right.
Which player are you referring to Ryan?
Yep.
I wonder what visa he was here on for 7 years? If it was a temporary work visa then 7 years isn't particularly temporary. It could be that he had a residence permit but not a permanent residence visa until he joined the nix. The main difference being that a permanent residence visa is required to leave the country.
Of course if the Phoenix was NZF they would read the first article and not the second and assume that they are right.
Which player are you referring to Ryan?
Sorry,
I was talking about Roy.
Yep.
I wonder what visa he was here on for 7 years? If it was a temporary work visa then 7 years isn't particularly temporary. It could be that he had a residence permit but not a permanent residence visa until he joined the nix. The main difference being that a permanent residence visa is required to leave the country.
Of course if the Phoenix was NZF they would read the first article and not the second and assume that they are right.
Which player are you referring to Ryan?
Sorry,
I was talking about Roy.
It is news to me that you can have a temporary work visa for 7 years. Normally after 3 (?) years of that you would be allowed to apply for a residency permit as long as your employer continues the work visa support during the application review time.
I could be wrong on the length of time, so someone may want to correct me on that.
I'll correct you on that. You could have a work visa to be a nanny and roll that over every year totalling 7 (if you are lucky or know what you are doing). Doesn't mean you can live here indefinitely and sure as heck is no pathway to residency.
A work visa in most cases means fudge all. You can work, that's it.
In terms of citizenship, if someone has residence the Minister doesn't have to wait 5 years.
Ministers can do what they like, they can make their own rules, waive time requirements, character etc.
Many have been burnt before by using (abusing? May be the wrong word but you get my gist) their powers (Shane Jones and a certain Chinese applicant etc)
If Rob has a politicians ear, it wouldn't at all be difficult getting Reira through.
Random wikpedia searching has found me Avraam Papadopoulos. He is a 31 year old, Aussie born, Greek international CB that is currently unattached after being released from a Chinese club.
Random wikpedia searching has found me Avraam Papadopoulos. He is a 31 year old, Aussie born, Greek international CB that is currently unattached after being released from a Chinese club.
I wonder why he was released
Random wikpedia searching has found me Avraam Papadopoulos. He is a 31 year old, Aussie born, Greek international CB that is currently unattached after being released from a Chinese club.
Maybe one day the Yellow Fever forum will be credited with a signing ....
rumour has it that they want to resign a number of players but are going to wait until the start of next season now because they don't want to pay them for pre season
rumour has it that they want to resign Hamish Watson, however the board are being tight and don't want to do it until just before next season so they don't have to pay him during the off season or preseason.
I'll correct you on that. You could have a work visa to be a nanny and roll that over every year totalling 7 (if you are lucky or know what you are doing). Doesn't mean you can live here indefinitely and sure as heck is no pathway to residency.
A work visa in most cases means fudge all. You can work, that's it.
Thank you sir, I stand corrected.
rumour has it that they want to resign Hamish Watson, however the board are being tight and don't want to do it until just before next season so they don't have to pay him during the off season or preseason.
Uncle keinzley could provide some bridging finance
Random wikpedia searching has found me Avraam Papadopoulos. He is a 31 year old, Aussie born, Greek international CB that is currently unattached after being released from a Chinese club.
I wonder why he was released
[/quote]The released him to loan in Fredy Guarín from Inter.
I'll correct you on that. You could have a work visa to be a nanny and roll that over every year totalling 7 (if you are lucky or know what you are doing). Doesn't mean you can live here indefinitely and sure as heck is no pathway to residency.
A work visa in most cases means fudge all. You can work, that's it.
So what is a pathway to residency?
I assumed that a rolling work visa over x amount of time was about the only way you could be in the country long enough to become one.
So the rumor on twitter when Krishna first got the nix job was he only applied for residency then, therefore was still five years away. But after two years he would have been eligible so why didn't he do it? This is assuming that the rumors were correct.
As I said, it could be after 2 years that he got a residence permit, which means if he travels overseas (which of course he'd have to as a Fijian international) that he'd have to apply for the residence permit again upon returning, whereas a permanent resident can leave and return whenever they want.
It seems madness that he would stay on a work visa for so long when he could easily get residency and be done with the hassle. Unless, I guess, Waitakere united and then AFC was handling the paperwork on his behalf.
So the rumor on twitter when Krishna first got the nix job was he only applied for residency then, therefore was still five years away. But after two years he would have been eligible so why didn't he do it? This is assuming that the rumors were correct.
As I said, it could be after 2 years that he got a residence permit, which means if he travels overseas (which of course he'd have to as a Fijian international) that he'd have to apply for the residence permit again upon returning, whereas a permanent resident can leave and return whenever they want.
It seems madness that he would stay on a work visa for so long when he could easily get residency and be done with the hassle. Unless, I guess, Waitakere united and then AFC was handling the paperwork on his behalf.
If you get a residence visa, you just need to be in NZ for at least 6 months in each of the first two years. You can come and go as you please. After the 2 years, you can then apply for permanent residence. At that point you're 3 years away from being eligible for citizenship.
I'll correct you on that. You could have a work visa to be a nanny and roll that over every year totalling 7 (if you are lucky or know what you are doing). Doesn't mean you can live here indefinitely and sure as heck is no pathway to residency.
A work visa in most cases means fudge all. You can work, that's it.
So what is a pathway to residency?
I assumed that a rolling work visa over x amount of time was about the only way you could be in the country long enough to become one.
Basically having a skilled job offer coupled with either the right quantity of work experience or alternatively the right qualification would allow you to secure residence under what's called the Skilled Migrant Category.
A nanny is not skilled employment and whilst you may have a job and even get a work visa, you won't get residence.
A football player or the MD of the Phoenix is deemed to be skilled employment and most players would have the right quantity of work experience up their sleeve.
So whilst there are some work visas which are pathways to residence, in reality what 95 per cent of migrants do, is they get a job, they get a work visa (because an employer won't wait months for them to get residence) and residence unfolds in the background.
So for most a work visa for say two years is just a means to an end. It gets them working, keeps their employer happy, gets them earning coin whilst they await the residence process to take its course (which would take around 6-9 months)
If I was the owner of the Phoenix I would be kicking of residence for my foreign players from day one. The sooner they get it, the sooner they can become a citizen further down the line, the sooner we can bring in another import.
The sooner we will win the league.
I recall at the time he was with Waitakere that he went back to the islands a lot out side the ASBP season.
Maybe that's why he was never able to apply previously.
SNIP
Awesome thanks. Was something I genuinely had no idea about.
No worries drunk monk.
Some people are under are under the misconception that it is piss easy to get into New Zealand.
That's bullshark and has been so for a decade.
The reality is that it is harder then most countries in the world to migrate to NZ (in fact these days people will migrate to Australia as it is far easier and use it as a back door to NZ).
The irony.
People think it's the other way around. It's not and many people are doing it. Look at the stats of so called Ausis coming here.
NZ Is all about employability. Ausi is not.
95 per cent of people for NZ need the job offer to get residence. The vast majority of people on this forum (98 per cent) based upon their profile myself included would never be eligible for residence of this country unless they had a skilled job offer.
Can you imagine how tough that is to get a job offer in another country unless you are there? For most it means leaving their job travelling to that country for interviews, knock backs etc. Not easy and not for the faint hearted.
Unless you are a single, backpacking skilled chap. If you are skilled, middle class with a mortgage and maybe even have a kid or two it gets tougher. Maybe impossible and too scary for most.
Our imports have it and we should be using it as the Phoenix. For our ability to make these guys local (non imports) and also for our players (they may actually like this country and want to stay here for ever!!). Once they lose their contract they are probably toast. So it's a duty of care.
With selective players NZ football may also have an interest as well in making them citizens (but I think this may be all too complicated for them)
No worries drunk monk.
Some people are under are under the misconception that it is piss easy to get into New Zealand.
That's bullshark and has been so for a decade.
The reality is that it is harder then most countries in the world to migrate to NZ (in fact these days people will migrate to Australia as it is far easier and use it as a back door to NZ).
The irony.
People think it's the other way around. It's not and many people are doing it. Look at the stats of so called Ausis coming here.
NZ Is all about employability. Ausi is not.
95 per cent of people for NZ need the job offer to get residence. The vast majority of people on this forum (98 per cent) based upon their profile myself included would never be eligible for residence of this country unless they had a skilled job offer.
Can you imagine how tough that is to get a job offer in another country unless you are there? For most it means leaving their job travelling to that country for interviews, knock backs etc. Not easy and not for the faint hearted.
Unless you are a single, backpacking skilled chap. If you are skilled, middle class with a mortgage and maybe a kid it gets tougher.
Our imports have it and we should be using it as the Phoenix. For our ability to make these guys local (non imports) and also for our players (they may actually like this country and want to stay here for ever!!). Once they lose their contract they are probably toast. So it's a duty of care.
With selective players NZ football may also have an interest as well in making them citizens (but I think this may be all too complicated for them)
It is a piece of piss getting into NZ! I did :-)
MMMMMM, proves my point don't you think. Are you not an Ausi? :)
Overstayer?
MMMMMM, proves my point don't you think. Are you not an Ausi? :)
Overstayer?
West Island Reprezent!
MMMMMM, proves my point don't you think. Are you not an Ausi? :)
Overstayer?
West Island Reprezent!
No worries drunk monk.
Some people are under are under the misconception that it is piss easy to get into New Zealand.
That's bullshark and has been so for a decade.
The reality is that it is harder then most countries in the world to migrate to NZ (in fact these days people will migrate to Australia as it is far easier and use it as a back door to NZ).
The irony.
People think it's the other way around. It's not and many people are doing it. Look at the stats of so called Ausis coming here.
NZ Is all about employability. Ausi is not.
95 per cent of people for NZ need the job offer to get residence. The vast majority of people on this forum (98 per cent) based upon their profile myself included would never be eligible for residence of this country unless they had a skilled job offer.
Can you imagine how tough that is to get a job offer in another country unless you are there? For most it means leaving their job travelling to that country for interviews, knock backs etc. Not easy and not for the faint hearted.
Unless you are a single, backpacking skilled chap. If you are skilled, middle class with a mortgage and maybe even have a kid or two it gets tougher. Maybe impossible and too scary for most.
Our imports have it and we should be using it as the Phoenix. For our ability to make these guys local (non imports) and also for our players (they may actually like this country and want to stay here for ever!!). Once they lose their contract they are probably toast. So it's a duty of care.
With selective players NZ football may also have an interest as well in making them citizens (but I think this may be all too complicated for them)
Not so. I know three couples that could not get into Australia, came to NZ, got citizenship and are now Aussie citizens.
Inasmuch as I appreciate AP comments, from what I've seen incoming people do choose our employability but once they've had a good run for a few years here and got their papers sorted they will move over for better long-term careers, social care and employability in Australia. These are those not looking for resources-sector jobs but for regular white collar city jobs. They eventually move to AUS especially if their first language is not English. For migrants the jobs are hard to get in outside Auckland unless one is a UK state sector expat - these folks tend to crop up everywhere in public sector jobs here, but much less so in Australia. This could be because we produce enough our own graduates here to take those jobs, while it may not necessarily be the case across the ditch? I don't know.
And no, I have no no figures or sources to support the above, so for all that I know I may be talking shark.
No worries drunk monk.
Some people are under are under the misconception that it is piss easy to get into New Zealand.
That's bullshark and has been so for a decade.
The reality is that it is harder then most countries in the world to migrate to NZ (in fact these days people will migrate to Australia as it is far easier and use it as a back door to NZ).
The irony.
People think it's the other way around. It's not and many people are doing it. Look at the stats of so called Ausis coming here.
NZ Is all about employability. Ausi is not.
95 per cent of people for NZ need the job offer to get residence. The vast majority of people on this forum (98 per cent) based upon their profile myself included would never be eligible for residence of this country unless they had a skilled job offer.
Can you imagine how tough that is to get a job offer in another country unless you are there? For most it means leaving their job travelling to that country for interviews, knock backs etc. Not easy and not for the faint hearted.
Unless you are a single, backpacking skilled chap. If you are skilled, middle class with a mortgage and maybe even have a kid or two it gets tougher. Maybe impossible and too scary for most.
Our imports have it and we should be using it as the Phoenix. For our ability to make these guys local (non imports) and also for our players (they may actually like this country and want to stay here for ever!!). Once they lose their contract they are probably toast. So it's a duty of care.
With selective players NZ football may also have an interest as well in making them citizens (but I think this may be all too complicated for them)
Not so. I know three couples that could not get into Australia, came to NZ, got citizenship and are now Aussie citizens.
And I bet you that was many many years ago? When the policies and roles were reversed.
Inasmuch as I appreciate AP comments, from what I've seen incoming people do choose our employability but once they've had a good run for a few years here and got their papers sorted they will move over for better long-term careers, social care and employability in Australia. These are those not looking for resources-sector jobs but for regular white collar city jobs. They eventually move to AUS especially if their first language is not English. For migrants the jobs are hard to get in outside Auckland unless one is a UK state sector expat - these folks tend to crop up everywhere in public sector jobs here, but much less so in Australia. This could be because we produce enough our own graduates here to take those jobs, while it may not necessarily be the case across the ditch? I don't know.
And no, I have no no figures or sources to support the above, so for all that I know I may be talking shark.
Inasmuch as I appreciate AP comments, from what I've seen incoming people do choose our employability but once they've had a good run for a few years here and got their papers sorted they will move over for better long-term careers, social care and employability in Australia. These are those not looking for resources-sector jobs but for regular white collar city jobs. They eventually move to AUS especially if their first language is not English. For migrants the jobs are hard to get in outside Auckland unless one is a UK state sector expat - these folks tend to crop up everywhere in public sector jobs here, but much less so in Australia. This could be because we produce enough our own graduates here to take those jobs, while it may not necessarily be the case across the ditch? I don't know.
And no, I have no no figures or sources to support the above, so for all that I know I may be talking shark.
The two families who I used as examples did not have NZ citizenship when they moved over, they were PR only and had their original European passports. They were streamlined into AUS residency differently from NZ citizens for some reason. No idea.
if they just had PR then they would have given them zilch, nil, nothing in Australia. Not even a visitor visa.
Someone with Ausi residence who walks into our airport however becomes a residence on arrival.
Australians are very racist here.
They clearly got PR here, decided they liked Austrlaia better, applied in their own right under Austrlain policy.
When you open the transfer speculation thread but end up in the NZ immigration thread.
When you open the transfer speculation thread but end up in the NZ immigration thread.
Every fukn thread is like this, no?
When you open the transfer speculation thread but end up in the NZ immigration thread.
Every fukn thread is like this, no?
God I'm bored.
When you open the transfer speculation thread but end up in the NZ immigration thread.
transfer <= immigration
Maybe we should see if any Syrian refugees are handy in a dead-ball situation or over 5'11''