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2015/16 Transfer Speculation

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over 10 years ago

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=po...

Guyon Fernandez to Perth

Possible that we were trying to sign him and Perth hijacked the deal?

Also, new salary cap changes again just distance the haves from the have nots. Completely ridiculous. What a time to do it as well - when Brisbane can't even pay their current wages, Newcastle is in FFA hands and CCM are constantly hanging by a thread. Oh, and we don't even have a f*cking license renewal.

a.haak

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over 10 years ago

valeo wrote:

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=po...

Guyon Fernandez to Perth

Possible that we were trying to sign him and Perth hijacked the deal?

Also, new salary cap changes again just distance the haves from the have nots. Completely ridiculous. What a time to do it as well - when Brisbane can't even pay their current wages, Newcastle is in FFA hands and CCM are constantly hanging by a thread. Oh, and we don't even have a f*cking license renewal.

Clearly we'll be flooded with top players from Greek First Division then.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 10 years ago

Yeah, not to mention the fact that all the big name marquees are going to the MLS now anyway.

a.haak

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over 10 years ago

one_eyed_nik wrote:

Why would we not be happy with McFadden. We've asked for players that have Premier League experience before. He's played 150 odd Prem games, another 150 odd in the Championship or Scottish Premier League. His record is 1 in every 5 games give or take

Ifill spent most of his career in the Championship with a record of 1 in 6 give or take

You raise valid points.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago

valeo wrote:

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=po...

Guyon Fernandez to Perth

Possible that we were trying to sign him and Perth hijacked the deal?

Also, new salary cap changes again just distance the haves from the have nots. Completely ridiculous. What a time to do it as well - when Brisbane can't even pay their current wages, Newcastle is in FFA hands and CCM are constantly hanging by a thread. Oh, and we don't even have a f*cking license renewal.

Yeah would have made sense for him to come here, probably knows Bonevacia, etc.

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over 10 years ago

The Perth striker is apparently a Belgian according to Soccer Stoppage Time.

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over 10 years ago

Four clubs with questionable future's and Tony Sage with another one.

Well done FFA.  Well done.  Hope your quick fix works for your new shiny new 5 team league.  Fudgeing imbeciles.

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over 10 years ago

They're (again) changing the rules to drive the two biggest markets. May as well chuck the rest of us out and have a six team comp with three each in Melbin and Sydknee.

A good competition needs to be sustainable - it's not simply about the biggest numbers (revenue, sponsorship, telly, whatever)... though at the moment that's all Aussie sports admins are focused on (see also: National Rugby League, Australian Football League).

And yes, wrong thread but fudge it.

E + R + O

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over 10 years ago

Guyon Fernandez also a Curacao international.

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over 10 years ago

can anyone be bothered explaining in 2 sentences why the new FFA pay rules are awesome for the tards and shark for us?

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over 10 years ago

Look, I can see what the FFA are trying to do - favouring the Melbourne and Sydney teams to splash the cash and raise the profile of the league hopefully bringing in better revenue to share around the league rather than trying to keep the league very competitive. 

Trickle down economics, the 'Nix getting trickled upon :(

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over 10 years ago
I'd take McFadden in a heartbeat. He scored goals for fun for me in fm14 in the premier league
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over 10 years ago

Victory couldn't fit Archie under the cap so the FFA created a new rule that helps them do that. Teams like Sydney and Victory now don't need to stoop down to having a domestic marquee but can splash out on two international marquees. 

We can't afford to have one marquee let alone two. Now there are half a dozen players out side of the cap whereas we only spend the cap.

The 105% of the salary cap is an interesting one. I wonder if the FFA put that in place so they can spend more at the FFA Jets? SUrely the Jets were well under the cap last year?

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over 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Trickle down economics, the 'Nix getting trickled upon :(

Trickle down economics is a great theory.
E + R + O

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over 10 years ago

SurgeQld wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Trickle down economics, the 'Nix getting trickled upon :(

Trickle down economics is a great theory.

And very popular at the top of the waterfall.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 10 years ago

Countries like Russia, China, Mexico, Brazil have high levels of Millionaires and Billionaires. Thats how well the trickle down effect works.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Countries like Russia, China, Mexico, Brazil have high levels of Millionaires and Billionaires. Thats how well the trickle down effect works.

Donald Trump is worth $4-10 billion, proving that the rich are just those who work harder and are better people.


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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Victory couldn't fit Archie under the cap so the FFA created a new rule that helps them do that. Teams like Sydney and Victory now don't need to stoop down to having a domestic marquee but can splash out on two international marquees. 

We can't afford to have one marquee let alone two. Now there are half a dozen players out side of the cap whereas we only spend the cap.

The 105% of the salary cap is an interesting one. I wonder if the FFA put that in place so they can spend more at the FFA Jets? SUrely the Jets were well under the cap last year?

Jets wouldn't have been far under the cap. They had Flores, Steele (from the MLS), Montano, Neumann and some Korean defender. 

As for the changes to the cap, I think a lot of them make a lot of sense. I think it is good that loyalty is encouraged and teams are rewarded to develop youth players. However, these changes should have come with a reduction in the salary cap. I don't like the increased length of the guest player though. It basically gives some teams 3 marquees.

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over 10 years ago

a million salutations to Welnix, seriously, but it isn't the FFA holding Gareth's wallet zipper shut. we could trickle down on others if we were sillier with our money too

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

bwtcf wrote:

Turfmoore wrote:

I love how a report on a Friday from a third party with the comments ... "in advanced negotiations" ... "understood to be European-based" ... "hope to have a deal completed next week" all have us glued to our devices hitting refresh every 5 minutes on a Monday morning.

The life of a fan.

...and invites to a press conference...

So when is this press conference?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Ryan54 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Victory couldn't fit Archie under the cap so the FFA created a new rule that helps them do that. Teams like Sydney and Victory now don't need to stoop down to having a domestic marquee but can splash out on two international marquees. 

We can't afford to have one marquee let alone two. Now there are half a dozen players out side of the cap whereas we only spend the cap.

The 105% of the salary cap is an interesting one. I wonder if the FFA put that in place so they can spend more at the FFA Jets? SUrely the Jets were well under the cap last year?

Jets wouldn't have been far under the cap. They had Flores, Steele (from the MLS), Montano, Neumann and some Korean defender. 

As for the changes to the cap, I think a lot of them make a lot of sense. I think it is good that loyalty is encouraged and teams are rewarded to develop youth players. However, these changes should have come with a reduction in the salary cap. I don't like the increased length of the guest player though. It basically gives some teams 3 marquees.

Did they have Flores last year? I honestly can't recall as they had so much churn but I thought it was the year before. 

Edit: Just checked they did have him, but released him to another club mid season. With the amount of mid season departures which were terminated surely they dropped below the cap. 

Surely they were actually below the cap minimum (of 85%) and squad minimum at one point during the season?

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over 10 years ago
Does the cost of terminating a contract count in the cap? Then surely the jets woulda actually been over it
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over 10 years ago

maynardf wrote:
Does the cost of terminating a contract count in the cap?

Then surely the jets woulda actually been over it

Yeah I'd imagine so, but some of the terminations were for undisclosed contract breaches or released to other clubs (Flores, Griffiths) so could have been mutual.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Turfmoore wrote:

I love how a report on a Friday from a third party with the comments ... "in advanced negotiations" ... "understood to be European-based" ... "hope to have a deal completed next week" all have us glued to our devices hitting refresh every 5 minutes on a Monday morning.

The life of a fan.

...and invites to a press conference...

So when is this press conference?

I'm guessing it's fallen through. Seems reallllyy quiet. Ernie and the team are in CCM though, so perhaps we're waiting until we get back.

a.haak

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over 10 years ago

Yeah probably pointless doing it when the team is in Gosford, maybe tomorrow? Of course it was supposed to be last week.

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over 10 years ago

I strongly suspect that we are not going to sign Guyon whatsisface, on account of Perth Glory getting him.

I just hope this wasn't the signing Ernie was talking about.

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over 10 years ago

Dang... Ah well, here's hoping we've dodged another Rigters

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Jeff Vader wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Turfmoore wrote:

I love how a report on a Friday from a third party with the comments ... "in advanced negotiations" ... "understood to be European-based" ... "hope to have a deal completed next week" all have us glued to our devices hitting refresh every 5 minutes on a Monday morning.

The life of a fan.

...and invites to a press conference...

So when is this press conference?

I'm still waiting for the press conference to announce our license extension - that was meant to be before the end of last season IIRC

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 10 years ago

Maybe we tried to register a two year contract with the A league and they knocked it back saying you only have one more year, what the fudge do you think you are doing?


Auckland will rise once more

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over 10 years ago

Two reasons I can think the license extension hasn't been confirmed yet:

1) They are waiting till the start of the season for publicity

2) They are playing contract extension chicken with the FFA and both sides think the other will give in before it goes bad. This could turn ugly if both sides are adamant the other will give in first. 

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over 10 years ago

Maybe we tried to register a two year contract with the A league and they knocked it back saying you only have one more year, what the fudge do you think you are doing?

We've signed a few players for next year already.

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over 10 years ago

yep and in reality that's pretty dumb but understandable. Maybe FFA have said that's enough


Auckland will rise once more

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Maybe we tried to register a two year contract with the A league and they knocked it back saying you only have one more year, what the fudge do you think you are doing?

We've signed a few players for next year already.

Yep and you have to wonder why a player would sign for a club without a licence to play in their competition.The club would never admit it but i cant see how prospective players would retain their interest in coming when they find out about the licence issue.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 10 years ago

... but we know the FFA has offered us 5 years. They are not going to kick us out, at worst we just get 5 years. Surely.


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Doloras wrote:

... but we know the FFA has offered us 5 years. They are not going to kick us out, at worst we just get 5 years. Surely.

While I come to this site mainly to experience angst, I reluctantly give in to Doloras ' sense of sanity. 

FFA is above all a business, and if something (Phoenix) ain't broke they will not try to remove it, least the whole apple-cart falls to pieces. We like to write ourselves off but the truth is we are one of the most financially stable teams in HAL at present.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 10 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Doloras wrote:

... but we know the FFA has offered us 5 years. They are not going to kick us out, at worst we just get 5 years. Surely.

While I come to this site mainly to experience angst, I reluctantly give in to Doloras ' sense of sanity. 

FFA is above all a business, and if something (Phoenix) ain't broke they will not try to remove it, least the whole apple-cart falls to pieces. We like to write ourselves off but the truth is we are one of the most financially stable teams in HAL at present.

whatever the term is it requires AFC and FIFA approval. Maybe we have what we want from FFA and it is one or both of them fudgeing shark cods fudgeing us over
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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Doloras wrote:

... but we know the FFA has offered us 5 years. They are not going to kick us out, at worst we just get 5 years. Surely.

While I come to this site mainly to experience angst, I reluctantly give in to Doloras ' sense of sanity. 

FFA is above all a business, and if something (Phoenix) ain't broke they will not try to remove it, least the whole apple-cart falls to pieces. We like to write ourselves off but the truth is we are one of the most financially stable teams in HAL at present.

whatever the term is it requires AFC and FIFA approval. Maybe we have what we want from FFA and it is one or both of them fudgeing shark cods fudgeing us over

FIFA largely do not care in the sense that they will approve whatever FFA and AFC agreed on. It is only AFC that I worry about.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 10 years ago

So, about that transfer speculation...


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