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2017/18 Season - Lineups, tactics, Predictions

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over 8 years ago

Interested to see what people believe to be our strongest or most likely starting team, what style of football we can expect to see, and where we will end up on the table - a return to finals footy this season?

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Our best XI for mine

Italiano

Galloway, Rossi, Durante, Doyle

Paracki, Abbas,

Krishna, Finkler, McGlinchey

Kaludjerovic

I don't know Kalezic's preferred system, but that's how I'd line up. Alternatively, Abbas to LB, McGlinchey beside Paracki and Vidosic onto the wing.

Valley FC til I die?

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over 8 years ago

I think you'll see this in the midfield and pointy end:

                 Kaludjerovic

Vidosic                              Krishna 

                Finkler

Paracki                McGlinchey

The backline is the only open area, and it'll depend on who the fullbacks are, and also whether Darije is looking at Mullen as a potential CB too. That should start to crystallise over the next few weeks.

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over 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Our best XI for mine

Italiano

Galloway, Rossi, Durante, Doyle

Paracki, Abbas,

Krishna, Finkler, McGlinchey

Kaludjerovic

I don't know Kalezic's preferred system, but that's how I'd line up.

Quite a nice lineup but I don't see Vidosic as having been signed to warm the pine.  Just where exactly he slots in I don't know however.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

I would be happy with these two lineups:

Italiano

Galloway, Durante, Rossi, Doyle

Paracki, McGlinchey

Vidosic, Finkler, Krishna

Kaludjerovic

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or if Finkler or McGlinchey are playing badly (surely one of them will be poor at some point), a 4-2-2-2

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Italiano

Galloway, Mullen, Rossi, Doyle

Paracki, Abbas

Mcglinchey/Finkler, Vidosic

Kaludjerovic, Krishna

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

I also think 3/5 at the back is a very real option, given our abundance of CB and lack of proper wide players.

Italiano

Galloway, Dura, Rossi, Mullen/Doyle, Abbas

Paracki, McGlinchey

Vidosic

Krishna, Kaludjerovic.

Valley FC til I die?

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over 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

I also think 3/5 at the back is a very real option, given our abundance of CB and lack of proper wide players.

Italiano

Galloway, Dura, Rossi, Mullen/Doyle, Abbas

Paracki, McGlinchey

Vidosic

Krishna, Kaludjerovic.

You might be right about this, simply to utilise our existing talent in their preferred position.

I also agree there is no way Vidosic is going to be an impact "off the bench" player. He'd be a starter, otherwise it's an absolute waste of money to bring him here. We need to field our strongest squad unless injuries / suspensions play part.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

Whats our injury situation like at the moment? Read somewhere that everyone is about to come back from injury soon? Is anyone carrying long injuries? obv bar Louis. Is vidosic training? Rossi? Dura?

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Italiano

Galloway, Rossi, Durante, Doyle

Paracki, WeeMac,

Krishna, Finkler, Vidosic

Kaludjerovic

Believe we will play defensive and mostly on the counter.

a.haak

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over 8 years ago

I think our formation will feature a goalkeeper and 10 outfield players.

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 8 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

I think our formation will feature a goalkeeper and 10 outfield players.

Two of whom will refer to themselves, each in their mother tongue, as "Italiano".

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

I think our formation will feature a goalkeeper and 10 outfield players.

Two of whom will refer to themselves, each in their mother tongue, as "Italiano".

Italianovic

Gallovic, Rossivic, Durantevic, Doylevic

Parackic, WeeVic,

Vichna, Finklic, Vidosic

Kaludjerovic

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

Italiano

Galloway, Rossi, Durante, Doyle

Paracki, WeeMac,

Krishna, Finkler, Vidosic

Kaludjerovic

Believe we will play defensive and mostly on the counter.

I don't think we have enough pace to do that.
You know we belong together...

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over 8 years ago

Just want to say that I'm loving how our team looks going into the season. All these line-ups look copetitive at least.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Just want to say that I'm loving how our team looks going into the season. All these line-ups look copetitive at least.

We're a definite Top 10 side this season.

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 8 years ago

Funny how all the experts in the media are picking us for the wooden spoon.

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over 8 years ago

Moss

Lochhead Cleberson Dodd Old

Christie Aloisi Ferrante Daniel

Coveny Smeltz

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 8 years ago

6th for me..more goals but not enough.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 8 years ago

Italiano

Mullen, Fox, Rossi, Galloway

Paracki, Abbas

Krishna, Finkler, Vidosic

Kaludjerovic

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Funny how all the experts in the media are picking us for the wooden spoon.

They do that every year.
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over 8 years ago

Ricardo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Funny how all the experts in the media are picking us for the wooden spoon.

They do that every year.

I know they do it every year, but this year it seems even stranger.

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over 8 years ago

inafoxhole wrote:

Italiano

Mullen, Fox, Rossi, Galloway

Paracki, Abbas

Krishna, Finkler, Vidosic

Kaludjerovic

  Krishna will be away against fiji won't he?

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over 8 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

Italiano

Mullen, Fox, Rossi, Galloway

Paracki, Abbas

Krishna, Finkler, Vidosic

Kaludjerovic

  Krishna will be away against fiji won't he?

Italiano

Mullen, Fox, Rossi, Galloway

Paracki, Abbas

Vidosic, Finkler, Parkhouse

Kaludjerovic

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Ricardo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Funny how all the experts in the media are picking us for the wooden spoon.

They do that every year.

I know they do it every year, but this year it seems even stranger.

The only teams that don't look stronger than last season atm at the Roar & Glory but they start from a stronger position than we did. I think the difference between top 6 and wooden spoon won't be much this season. Our defending should be better but a lot depends on AK9 finding his feet and scoring a lot for us.
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over 8 years ago

RR wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Ricardo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Funny how all the experts in the media are picking us for the wooden spoon.

They do that every year.

I know they do it every year, but this year it seems even stranger.

The only teams that don't look stronger than last season atm at the Roar & Glory but they start from a stronger position than we did. I think the difference between top 6 and wooden spoon won't be much this season. Our defending should be better but a lot depends on AK9 finding his feet and scoring a lot for us.

I realise that, although Perth wasn't a huge step up on us last year. It just feels like there's a lot of energy and positivity around the club and it's funny that it always gets dismissed.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

RR wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Ricardo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Funny how all the experts in the media are picking us for the wooden spoon.

They do that every year.

I know they do it every year, but this year it seems even stranger.

The only teams that don't look stronger than last season atm at the Roar & Glory but they start from a stronger position than we did. I think the difference between top 6 and wooden spoon won't be much this season. Our defending should be better but a lot depends on AK9 finding his feet and scoring a lot for us.

I realise that, although Perth wasn't a huge step up on us last year. It just feels like there's a lot of energy and positivity around the club and it's funny that it always gets dismissed.

The wellington phoenix 2017-18 season. Meh.

Is that helping or just neutral historically?

"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".

 If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Ricardo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Funny how all the experts in the media are picking us for the wooden spoon.

They do that every year.

I know they do it every year, but this year it seems even stranger.

It's a reflex response whenever they see our name at the beginning of the season.

IMHO we could be fielding a whole line up of Bayern, or Barca, and the media would still say we're wooden spooners.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

RR wrote:

The only teams that don't look stronger than last season atm at the Roar & Glory but they start from a stronger position than we did. I think the difference between top 6 and wooden spoon won't be much this season. Our defending should be better but a lot depends on AK9 finding his feet and scoring a lot for us.

Just dabbling with what might be reasonable, roughly, based on historic stats:

Krishna (12), Vidosic (4), Finkler (6), McGlinchey (2), will all score a few for us.  AK (9) is just the decoy in the middle. ;)

Something like that;

=> 33 goals

Non starters, FBs and the other mids should be able to pick up a half dozen between them over the season, and the centre backs are a fair chance to get a couple.

So that'd get us to 41. That's the same number of goals as last year and we were 6th for goals scored.

Maybe there is a sliver of optimism in getting to 41, and an injury to either of the double Ks would hurt.  But not too far away from a reasonable assessment?

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Goals conceded last year was 46, 5th, 1.7 per game.

And that got us 7th, with a goal difference 5 away from 5th and 6th, who were both on a zero GD, 10 away from fourth and 11 away from third.

On that somewhat wet finger exercise I'd say we have a pretty reasonable chance to be competitive for the top 6, and to go a bit better than that, assuming Paracki with the rest of the D are more solid than last year.  I think apart from a bit of concern with Italiano and maybe counting chickens for Paracki improving things, plus throwing in that the expected increased focus on the defensive coaching this year should help, you'd expect we should be significantly improved defensively.   So I am hoping for a base performance around 5th or 6th, but room to slip if we have a key injury up front. 

From there, to push towards top four it's all about the obvious - the D performing extremely well and being tight as, and/or we get an extra half dozen or more goals out of that front five and the rest of the squad.  And doing all that in the right games.

An interesting season coming, I think, with some fine margins between being outside the six and pushing top four, and a fair bit depending on the spirit of the squad and how Paracki goes, as much as the performance of the front third players, I reckon.

Should be fun.

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over 8 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

I think you'll see this in the midfield and pointy end:

                 Kaludjerovic

Vidosic                              Krishna 

                Finkler

Paracki                McGlinchey

The backline is the only open area, and it'll depend on who the fullbacks are, and also whether Darije is looking at Mullen as a potential CB too. That should start to crystallise over the next few weeks.

That looks pretty strong, only question for me is about Roy's effectiveness in a wider position.He's not a great provider even though when he's out wide his speed starts to shine through

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago

I thought last year Krishna played quite a few nice balls in from the byline back towards the 6 yard box... it just lacked a striker hungry enough / good enough to get to the ball first.

I like the idea of him playing wider and isolating the full backs more.

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I think you'll see this in the midfield and pointy end:

                 Kaludjerovic

Vidosic                              Krishna 

                Finkler

Paracki                McGlinchey

The backline is the only open area, and it'll depend on who the fullbacks are, and also whether Darije is looking at Mullen as a potential CB too. That should start to crystallise over the next few weeks.

That looks pretty strong, only question for me is about Roy's effectiveness in a wider position.He's not a great provider even though when he's out wide his speed starts to shine through

Krishna was a great assist provider when playing up front with Burns
You know we belong together...

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over 8 years ago

Is anyone actually making ladder predictions in August? 

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over 8 years ago

inafoxhole wrote:

Is anyone actually making ladder predictions in August? 

Not final ones but journos when looking at the transfer dealings have expressed opinions on how teams have done. For example, Ray Gatt on SST last week said we look wooden spooners when talking about all the clubs transfer dealings.
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over 8 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

RR wrote:

The only teams that don't look stronger than last season atm at the Roar & Glory but they start from a stronger position than we did. I think the difference between top 6 and wooden spoon won't be much this season. Our defending should be better but a lot depends on AK9 finding his feet and scoring a lot for us.

Just dabbling with what might be reasonable, roughly, based on historic stats:

Krishna (12), Vidosic (4), Finkler (6), McGlinchey (2), will all score a few for us.  AK (9) is just the decoy in the middle. ;)

Something like that;

=> 33 goals

Non starters, FBs and the other mids should be able to pick up a half dozen between them over the season, and the centre backs are a fair chance to get a couple.

So that'd get us to 41. That's the same number of goals as last year and we were 6th for goals scored.

Maybe there is a sliver of optimism in getting to 41, and an injury to either of the double Ks would hurt.  But not too far away from a reasonable assessment?

.

Goals conceded last year was 46, 5th, 1.7 per game.

And that got us 7th, with a goal difference 5 away from 5th and 6th, who were both on a zero GD, 10 away from fourth and 11 away from third.

On that somewhat wet finger exercise I'd say we have a pretty reasonable chance to be competitive for the top 6, and to go a bit better than that, assuming Paracki with the rest of the D are more solid than last year.  I think apart from a bit of concern with Italiano and maybe counting chickens for Paracki improving things, plus throwing in that the expected increased focus on the defensive coaching this year should help, you'd expect we should be significantly improved defensively.   So I am hoping for a base performance around 5th or 6th, but room to slip if we have a key injury up front. 

From there, to push towards top four it's all about the obvious - the D performing extremely well and being tight as, and/or we get an extra half dozen or more goals out of that front five and the rest of the squad.  And doing all that in the right games.

An interesting season coming, I think, with some fine margins between being outside the six and pushing top four, and a fair bit depending on the spirit of the squad and how Paracki goes, as much as the performance of the front third players, I reckon.

Should be fun.

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

that was my point though, we can either abuse Roy's lightning pace along with the relative quickness of vidosic and abbas and both fullbacks with throughballs and counter attacks (and to be fair AK doesn't look too slow), or we can use AK and/or Watson as target men, with all of our technical players pinging balls at them. Either one could be plan A, either one could be plan B. The bottom line is this gives us two plans
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

that was my point though, we can either abuse Roy's lightning pace along with the relative quickness of vidosic and abbas and both fullbacks with throughballs and counter attacks (and to be fair AK doesn't look too slow), or we can use AK and/or Watson as target men, with all of our technical players pinging balls at them. Either one could be plan A, either one could be plan B. The bottom line is this gives us two plans

I think as others have also been saying we potentially have real versatility this year.  Abbas and Paracki at DM to close up shop against top sides and work on the counter is another.  Target man, front three, front two, overweight midfield, back three and wing backs, we seem to have the players to do any of that. It'll be interesting how Darije sets us up, how he varies that for specific opposition and how many options he thinks the squad can handle.  I'm wondering too if those infamous last minute goals against might get dealt to as well, with his defensive options for the bench.

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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

a.haak

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mjp2 wrote:

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I think as others have also been saying we potentially have real versatility this year.  Abbas and Paracki at DM to close up shop against top sides and work on the counter is another.  Target man, front three, front two, overweight midfield, back three and wing backs, we seem to have the players to do any of that. It'll be interesting how Darije sets us up, how he varies that for specific opposition and how many options he thinks the squad can handle.  I'm wondering too if those infamous last minute goals against might get dealt to as well, with his defensive options for the bench.

Luckily no longer

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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valeo wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

Good teams tend to only need to use the one plan.

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