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2017/18 Season - Lineups, tactics, Predictions

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over 8 years ago

Critical_Lemon wrote:

valeo wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

Good teams tend to only need to use the one plan.

Not really, because the opposition is never the exact same each week. Some teams are more defensive and hold a really deep defensive line, which would nullify our threat of through balls and balls over the top of the defensive line to our fast players like Krishna because theres no space. In this instance, camping outside the oppositions box and looking for a gap to open up or lofting it to our target men is our best option. On the other hand, when playing an attacking team with a high line, through balls and balls over the top to the pace merchants works really well because theres room for them to run and compose themselves before having a shot. Obviously theres going to be a main, more favoured plan - but every team in the a-league needs at least two plans
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over 8 years ago

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

Critical_Lemon wrote:

valeo wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

Good teams tend to only need to use the one plan.

Not really, because the opposition is never the exact same each week. Some teams are more defensive and hold a really deep defensive line, which would nullify our threat of through balls and balls over the top of the defensive line to our fast players like Krishna because theres no space. In this instance, camping outside the oppositions box and looking for a gap to open up or lofting it to our target men is our best option. On the other hand, when playing an attacking team with a high line, through balls and balls over the top to the pace merchants works really well because theres room for them to run and compose themselves before having a shot. Obviously theres going to be a main, more favoured plan - but every team in the a-league needs at least two plans

I think CL's point was more that when you're a good team, other teams adjust their plans when playing you rather than the other way around.

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over 8 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

Critical_Lemon wrote:

valeo wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

Good teams tend to only need to use the one plan.

Not really, because the opposition is never the exact same each week. Some teams are more defensive and hold a really deep defensive line, which would nullify our threat of through balls and balls over the top of the defensive line to our fast players like Krishna because theres no space. In this instance, camping outside the oppositions box and looking for a gap to open up or lofting it to our target men is our best option. On the other hand, when playing an attacking team with a high line, through balls and balls over the top to the pace merchants works really well because theres room for them to run and compose themselves before having a shot. Obviously theres going to be a main, more favoured plan - but every team in the a-league needs at least two plans

I think CL's point was more that when you're a good team, other teams adjust their plans when playing you rather than the other way around.

Yeah no that makes sense, although as we aren't a top team it would be silly to have one plan, makes sense that we have two or more because hell, we definitely need 'em
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over 8 years ago

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

Critical_Lemon wrote:

valeo wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

Good teams tend to only need to use the one plan.

Not really, because the opposition is never the exact same each week. Some teams are more defensive and hold a really deep defensive line, which would nullify our threat of through balls and balls over the top of the defensive line to our fast players like Krishna because theres no space. In this instance, camping outside the oppositions box and looking for a gap to open up or lofting it to our target men is our best option. On the other hand, when playing an attacking team with a high line, through balls and balls over the top to the pace merchants works really well because theres room for them to run and compose themselves before having a shot. Obviously theres going to be a main, more favoured plan - but every team in the a-league needs at least two plans

I think CL's point was more that when you're a good team, other teams adjust their plans when playing you rather than the other way around.

Yeah no that makes sense, although as we aren't a top team it would be silly to have one plan, makes sense that we have two or more because hell, we definitely need 'em

Yeah, don't disagree with that, I just think CL was making a general point rather than a Nix related one.

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over 8 years ago

Clearly the Mariners adjusted their plan A when playing Sydney or Victory to a plan B when playing us, as they proved to be a banana skin for us while still being a crap team and taking the wooden spoon.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

We're a crap team with options!!  Reasons to be cheerful!!

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over 8 years ago

Critical_Lemon wrote:

valeo wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

Good teams tend to only need to use the one plan.

especially if its not - knock the ball backwards every time to Durante, then after 3 goes of that give it to the keeper to hoof.
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over 8 years ago

Fenix wrote:

Critical_Lemon wrote:

valeo wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Eugene_Dadi_Issues wrote:

This is a genuinely brilliant summary, and I couldn't agree more in terms of the crucial nature of Paracki's much needed success. If Paracki does the dirty work effectively in the middle and recycles the ball to Finkler, Mcglinchey and Vidosic, those three can focus on playing attractive footy and combining with AK and Roy to make what would be a startling attacking five for any defense to have to deal with. Would love to see the midfield being given the license to unleash their full passing range potential, as Roy is utterly devastating when chasing down through balls on that left hand side. Last season releasing Roy and Kosta was our only real way of threatening the opposition, but with AK we don't have to be so one-dimensional ( I guess we had Watson and Smeltz as big men up top, but they weren't exactly effective). Doyle on his day is a brilliant crosser on the left, as is Abbas, and Galloway is decent too, so I'd love to see them bombing up from fullback (providing they are quick and aware enough to get back in time). Add Finkler, McGlinchey and Vidosic to that list and we've got a lot of great providers to whip balls in to AK or Watson. I think we have a really great chance of scoring 40-45 goals this season, and I'm unashamedly optimistic 

That's all fine and good, but we need more than one plan. 

In the past season or two, not having a plan B proved to be our undoing.

I reckon our problem the last two seasons was that our Plan A was shark.

Brisbane only had one plan and they dominated the league.

Good teams tend to only need to use the one plan.

especially if its not - knock the ball backwards every time to Durante, then after 3 goes of that give it to the keeper to hoof.

Which 95% of the time went straight to the opposition. Still Moss improved over the years, I remember early on, he used to just hoof it out of play.

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over 8 years ago

Question to all of you - in the case that Durante suffers a long term injury or is dropped in place of Fox/Mullen, who would be our regular captain? With Mossy and Vinnie Lia gone theres a real leadership hole in our squad if you take out Dura. So who would it be? Rossi? Mcglinchey and Doyle could be options but it looks like their places in the team aren't guaranteed this season. Or maybe a new boy? Vidosic seems vocal and is great with tactics, or maybe Paracki? who knows really

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 8 years ago

McGlinchey captained the side against WSW in the FFA Cup, so I suspect it will be him.

You know we belong together...

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over 8 years ago

"Would you rather fight 100 duck-sized Ben Sigmund's or one Ben Sigmund-sized duck?"

Took me a long time to answer this question

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over 8 years ago

COYN

                                                                        COYN    

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over 8 years ago

I forgot we need a new scapegoat now that Vinny has gone. I picked Singh. 



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over 8 years ago

Parkhouse

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over 8 years ago

Rufer!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 8 years ago

Nixie has some dark secrets too

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

I forgot we need a new scapegoat now that Vinny has gone. I picked Singh. 

Gonna be Durante.

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over 8 years ago

I might actually change my prediction to Finkler, he was one of the scapegoats last year.

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over 8 years ago

It'll be Italiano. Keepers don't get no respect.


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over 8 years ago

Yep Italiano, though hoping like HELL it won't be

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 8 years ago

Nah definitely still Rikki's fault

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 8 years ago

Isn't always the DM's fault? (See Lia, A-Rod, Manny) I vote Paracki for scapegoat.

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over 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

It'll be Italiano. Keepers don't get no respect.

Good keepers do. Shark ones don't. Nothing about Italiano says he will work out

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 8 years ago

Ha, I should have checked that.

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over 8 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Doloras wrote:

It'll be Italiano. Keepers don't get no respect.

Good keepers do. Shark ones don't.

I just seem to remember years of "Paston out, get Moss back" being followed by a few more years of "Moss is shark, he can't distribute".


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over 8 years ago

I think we should be starting our opening day game line up tomorrow.

Any reason why not to?

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over 8 years ago

Injury, conditioning, absence...

You know we belong together...

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over 8 years ago

yeh, but besides those things.

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over 8 years ago

Cantrun7 wrote:

yeh, but besides those things.

maybe some of the imports can't be on the same pitch together, geo-political tensions. Paracki vs Kaludjerovic in an epic battle for nationalistic supremacy and also the man of the match award.
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over 8 years ago

Cantrun7 wrote:

I think we should be starting our opening day game line up tomorrow.

Any reason why not to?

and what lineup would that be?

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 8 years ago

I guess, assuming , availabilty, injury recover and all those interesting managerial issues 

                      Ital

Gallo,  Mullen, Rossie, Doyle

          Paracki,    Mcglinc

     Krishna      Finkler        Vid

                        AK     

Though maybe Vid half a game this week sharing with parkhouse, having a full game in the final pre season game.

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over 8 years ago

Week 1 the AWs and Krishna are away, so maybe should start the team likely to start then?

Mambo

Galloway Mullen Rossi Abbas

Paracki Rufer

Vidosic Finkler Parkhouse

AK9

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over 8 years ago

RR wrote:

Week 1 the AWs and Krishna are away, so maybe should start the team likely to start then?

Mambo

Galloway Mullen Rossi Abbas

Paracki Rufer

Vidosic Finkler Parkhouse

AK9

This would be a historic day for the Phoenix, whether it's Rufer or Ridenton who gets that gig.

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over 8 years ago
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over 8 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Doloras wrote:

It'll be Italiano. Keepers don't get no respect.

Good keepers do. Shark ones don't. Nothing about Italiano says he will work out

Out of interezt Vader, have you (or anyone) kept a tally of your bold assessments of players and how they turned out? There have been a couple of notable bad calls as I recall and was wondering whether you were an astute judge of talent or not.
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over 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Based on today Ridenton should start ahead of Rufer every single time.

Please describe / compare for those who weren't there

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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