Wondering where Taylor fits in the Nix pantheon. Not sure I can answer that just now. Certainly I know what the feelings and the results were when he came back from India!
He was definitely in the top 10 until yesterday morning for me. Not sure where he sits now. I'd have to wait a few months do decide. Same as Dura, what a fall from grace.. They are still going to be in a prominent position in the Nix pantheon, but in my view they have slipped down the ladder a bit
Wondering where Taylor fits in the Nix pantheon. Not sure I can answer that just now. Certainly I know what the feelings and the results were when he came back from India!
He was definitely in the top 10 until yesterday morning for me. Not sure where he sits now. I'd have to wait a few months do decide. Same as Dura, what a fall from grace.. They are still going to be in a prominent position in the Nix pantheon, but in my view they have slipped down the ladder a bit
We have to respect and accept his decision, he seems clearly unhappy with the life situation since a while and it not a rage quit. He may could pull through for another year and play with less passion, would that be helpful?
Wondering where Taylor fits in the Nix pantheon. Not sure I can answer that just now. Certainly I know what the feelings and the results were when he came back from India!
He was definitely in the top 10 until yesterday morning for me. Not sure where he sits now. I'd have to wait a few months do decide. Same as Dura, what a fall from grace.. They are still going to be in a prominent position in the Nix pantheon, but in my view they have slipped down the ladder a bit
We have to respect and accept his decision, he seems clearly unhappy with the life situation since a while and it not a rage quit. He may could pull through for another year and play with less passion, would that be helpful?
Are there any CB from last years National League that would be worth looking at? Any from Auckland City, Team Wgtn, Hamilton etc
Taylor Schrijvers for me - others have mentioned Brian Kaltak who would take an import slot (not that we're short on those at the minute). Scott Hilliar has also been mentioned - he's ex-Handy but playing NPL these days.
I'll seen some awful Hilliar performances, but also some very good ones. The guy's an athlete. It wouldn't surprise me if he has progressed into something pretty good.
Schrijvers and Kaltack would both get a big tick from me. At handy level Schrijvers was quite comfy as a left sided centre back, which helps.
Chances of getting Reid are bugger all as we know, wouldn't even bother thinking about him.
Bit concerned that our squad will be pretty threadbare and academy players could struggle (I'm all for pushing them through as we have done, but two or three at once not five or six).
Serious suggestion - Miramar and Welly Olympic have a lot of the remains of Team Wellington and have both looked pretty flash this year, why not raid them? Yes it'd suck for them as they'd lose those key players for their National League campaigns, but priorities! Talking Andy Bevan, Sam Mason-Smith, Mario Barcia, JH Sinclair, maybe even Gulley for the depth...
iI know this makes sense to do, but I really hate it. I'd really like to see a welly team win the NL in this new revamped format and I truly think either team could do it with those players still in. Makes good sense for the Nix though, I can't see many other options for them.
Reason I pick out raiding the Wellington teams is because you know what Auckland City and other northern sides can be difficult (and I genuinely believe that, apart from ACFC, their players aren't as desirable). Yeah I'd feel bad about us fudgeing up their NL campaigns, but again, priorities!
If I'm honest I'm a little bit sick of us holding on to Rufer and Fenton for so damn long... I'm 100% for the club supporting Kiwi players, but shouldn't this entail bringing top domestic players through. Look at the successes that Tim Payne, Clayton Lewis, Callum McCowatt and Callan Elliot to a slightly lesser extent have been!
Chances of getting Reid are bugger all as we know, wouldn't even bother thinking about him.
Bit concerned that our squad will be pretty threadbare and academy players could struggle (I'm all for pushing them through as we have done, but two or three at once not five or six).
Serious suggestion - Miramar and Welly Olympic have a lot of the remains of Team Wellington and have both looked pretty flash this year, why not raid them? Yes it'd suck for them as they'd lose those key players for their National League campaigns, but priorities! Talking Andy Bevan, Sam Mason-Smith, Mario Barcia, JH Sinclair, maybe even Gulley for the depth...
iI know this makes sense to do, but I really hate it. I'd really like to see a welly team win the NL in this new revamped format and I truly think either team could do it with those players still in. Makes good sense for the Nix though, I can't see many other options for them.
Reason I pick out raiding the Wellington teams is because you know what Auckland City and other northern sides can be difficult (and I genuinely believe that, apart from ACFC, their players aren't as desirable). Yeah I'd feel bad about us fudgeing up their NL campaigns, but again, priorities!
If I'm honest I'm a little bit sick of us holding on to Rufer and Fenton for so damn long... I'm 100% for the club supporting Kiwi players, but shouldn't this entail bringing top domestic players through. Look at the successes that Tim Payne, Clayton Lewis, Callum McCowatt and Callan Elliot to a slightly lesser extent have been!
Fenton and Rufer are both more than servicable A-League players, releasing them would be absolutely insane. Both would look like a whale shark in a fishbowl if they dropped back down to the Handy.
You need depth & squad players to compete. A-League experience is going to be invaluable this season - plenty of other spots in the squad to bring through top performers from local sides, if Talay decides to take that approach.
It can take months of hard pre season for amateur NL players to get up to A League fitness standards. The Auckland lockdown and Northern League being in a hiatus just compounds this, ie players short of match fitness.
Talay taking some Weenix kids who are training day to day with the senior squad, to NSW for the 6 game pre Xmas stretch just makes sense for now.
If ACFC get to the CWC in December, maybe a chance for someone like Kaltak, Mitchell, Brotherton or whoever to stand out.
Wondering where Taylor fits in the Nix pantheon. Not sure I can answer that just now. Certainly I know what the feelings and the results were when he came back from India!
He was definitely in the top 10 until yesterday morning for me. Not sure where he sits now. I'd have to wait a few months do decide. Same as Dura, what a fall from grace.. They are still going to be in a prominent position in the Nix pantheon, but in my view they have slipped down the ladder a bit
We have to respect and accept his decision, he seems clearly unhappy with the life situation since a while and it not a rage quit. He may could pull through for another year and play with less passion, would that be helpful?
Yes it would be. Taylor is class so he would have given us a big hand regardless of how keen he was. Most importantly, whilst I support and respect his decision, I take exception around how his retirement came to be. He accepted a 1 year deal, came over, started training and then decided nah I will call it quits. From a seasoned pro like him, I expected better.
Away from social media for a few days and come back to the Taylor retirement news. Arrggghh. That's the second time now he's ditched us mid contract. Getting deja-vu to last season's early defensive issues that ultimately cost us a place in the play-offs.
Wondering where Taylor fits in the Nix pantheon. Not sure I can answer that just now. Certainly I know what the feelings and the results were when he came back from India!
He was definitely in the top 10 until yesterday morning for me. Not sure where he sits now. I'd have to wait a few months do decide. Same as Dura, what a fall from grace.. They are still going to be in a prominent position in the Nix pantheon, but in my view they have slipped down the ladder a bit
We have to respect and accept his decision, he seems clearly unhappy with the life situation since a while and it not a rage quit. He may could pull through for another year and play with less passion, would that be helpful?
Yes it would be. Taylor is class so he would have given us a big hand regardless of how keen he was. Most importantly, whilst I support and respect his decision, I take exception around how his retirement came to be. He accepted a 1 year deal, came over, started training and then decided nah I will call it quits. From a seasoned pro like him, I expected better.
He called it quits when it became obvious the club would be based in Oz =more isolation, more quarantine and he's had enough of that.
If we are not able to bring import players to NZ, can't we have them quarantine in Aus and then just wait for us????
MIQ situation in Australia is currently very similar to NZ, difficult to find a spot. Worse maybe with many travellers going interstate having to do MIQ. When Hemed & Davila flew into Australia a year ago from overseas, the interstate borders (pre Delta) were more open than they are now.
Various state borders open up later this year, plus TT bubble restarts and alot of MIQ spaces will free up. ACT will tick over 90% of the above age 16 popn with one jab tomorrow, NSW same stat early next week.
As a non-Phoenix fan, Taylor comes across as a bit of a sharkbag.
If the captain from my team left to follow the $, came back when it all went south, was handed the armband but then had a strop cause he (at 35) justifiably wasn't given a two-year contract, then I'd happily wave him off.
Sounds like the Phoenix did all they could, but they couldn't match his own inflated self-opinion of himself.
Although I can't see it happening, wonder if the hierarchy are thinking about going back on their no-to-Reid stance?
I think it would be such a risk to bring Reid here (which I'm sure he wouldn't want to anyway). Can't have your highest paid and possibly most important player in the squad be so injury prone. I'd rather bring in a couple of promising kids from the Academy to see if they can cut the mustard. Obviously the best course of action would be a to get a like for like replacement, a free agent with significant pedigree
I think it would be such a risk to bring Reid here (which I'm sure he wouldn't want to anyway). Can't have your highest paid and possibly most important player in the squad be so injury prone. I'd rather bring in a couple of promising kids from the Academy to see if they can cut the mustard. Obviously the best course of action would be a to get a like for like replacement, a free agent with significant pedigree
I don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but the hierarchy must be thinking: We need a defender We need a leader We need someone who is available We would like someone to help excite the fans
I think it would be such a risk to bring Reid here (which I'm sure he wouldn't want to anyway). Can't have your highest paid and possibly most important player in the squad be so injury prone. I'd rather bring in a couple of promising kids from the Academy to see if they can cut the mustard. Obviously the best course of action would be a to get a like for like replacement, a free agent with significant pedigree
I don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but the hierarchy must be thinking: We need a defender We need a leader We need someone who is available We would like someone to help excite the fans
I think Reid's preference would be to play / be available for NZ rather than play for the Nix. Even though he is injured he will be in camp for the October NZ matches. Shows his dedication. Playing for the Nix makes it hard for him to be available for NZ. For a NZer, someone like Musa might be a better option to bring in. He's on the NZ fringes and some exposure playing for the Nix might get him a better look in to a NZ call up, if thats what he wants. USL all wraps up by the end of the year I believe.
I think it would be such a risk to bring Reid here (which I'm sure he wouldn't want to anyway). Can't have your highest paid and possibly most important player in the squad be so injury prone. I'd rather bring in a couple of promising kids from the Academy to see if they can cut the mustard. Obviously the best course of action would be a to get a like for like replacement, a free agent with significant pedigree
I don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but the hierarchy must be thinking: We need a defender We need a leader We need someone who is available We would like someone to help excite the fans
I think Reid's preference would be to play / be available for NZ rather than play for the Nix. Even though he is injured he will be in camp for the October NZ matches. Shows his dedication. Playing for the Nix makes it hard for him to be available for NZ. For a NZer, someone like Musa might be a better option to bring in. He's on the NZ fringes and some exposure playing for the Nix might get him a better look in to a NZ call up, if thats what he wants. USL all wraps up by the end of the year I believe.
Musa is an interesting idea - isn't he more of a DM?
Nikko Boxall, maybe? His contract in Finland ends Dec 31, he's a leader (captain of his club), and is a defender.
The Reid talk is a bit ridiculous to be honest. There's no way the Phoenix can come close to the wages he can command at another club. The Phoenix are not going to spend millions of dollars to bring Reid here, not to mention the uncertainty with COVID and costs associated with season-long relocation, and Reid's injury-prone nature.
The Reid talk is a bit ridiculous to be honest. There's no way the Phoenix can come close to the wages he can command at another club. The Phoenix are not going to spend millions of dollars to bring Reid here, not to mention the uncertainty with COVID and costs associated with season-long relocation, and Reid's injury-prone nature.
Chances of getting Reid are bugger all as we know, wouldn't even bother thinking about him.
Bit concerned that our squad will be pretty threadbare and academy players could struggle (I'm all for pushing them through as we have done, but two or three at once not five or six).
Serious suggestion - Miramar and Welly Olympic have a lot of the remains of Team Wellington and have both looked pretty flash this year, why not raid them? Yes it'd suck for them as they'd lose those key players for their National League campaigns, but priorities! Talking Andy Bevan, Sam Mason-Smith, Mario Barcia, JH Sinclair, maybe even Gulley for the depth...
iI know this makes sense to do, but I really hate it. I'd really like to see a welly team win the NL in this new revamped format and I truly think either team could do it with those players still in. Makes good sense for the Nix though, I can't see many other options for them.
Reason I pick out raiding the Wellington teams is because you know what Auckland City and other northern sides can be difficult (and I genuinely believe that, apart from ACFC, their players aren't as desirable). Yeah I'd feel bad about us fudgeing up their NL campaigns, but again, priorities!
If I'm honest I'm a little bit sick of us holding on to Rufer and Fenton for so damn long... I'm 100% for the club supporting Kiwi players, but shouldn't this entail bringing top domestic players through. Look at the successes that Tim Payne, Clayton Lewis, Callum McCowatt and Callan Elliot to a slightly lesser extent have been!
Fenton and Rufer are both more than servicable A-League players, releasing them would be absolutely insane. Both would look like a whale shark in a fishbowl if they dropped back down to the Handy.
You need depth & squad players to compete. A-League experience is going to be invaluable this season - plenty of other spots in the squad to bring through top performers from local sides, if Talay decides to take that approach.
Sure I get it, and tbh this close to the season starting, I think you're right that it would be stupid to release them now. But maybe envisiging a future where we bring through other Kiwis that will challenge them for positions and eventually challenge them for squad status? Sure.
You can hammer on and on about experience and all that but when Tim Payne, a Handy Prem player, came in, he overtook Louis Fenton at right back. Rufer was overtaken first by Devlin at centremid (a guy who had little to no AL experience), and then again by Lewis at centremid (a guy who had little professional experience). So I don't really buy it that they're a massive level above the domestic league - they'd look good in it no doubt, but they'd hardly rip it to pieces.
So yeah sure no point in releasing Fenton and Rufer this close to the season, but seriously, we need to plan for a more ambitious future than they offer.
I know the Academy is there to develop players, but I seriously hope they're not looking at it too seriously to cover our lack of defenders. They came dead last in the ISPS last year and shipped more goals than anyone else, which could have been another 20+ on top of that if it wasn't for how good Paulsen is.
As people above have mentioned there are some good players around that I hope may be considered. Schrijvers, Kaltak, Brotherton etc.
Chances of getting Reid are bugger all as we know, wouldn't even bother thinking about him.
Bit concerned that our squad will be pretty threadbare and academy players could struggle (I'm all for pushing them through as we have done, but two or three at once not five or six).
Serious suggestion - Miramar and Welly Olympic have a lot of the remains of Team Wellington and have both looked pretty flash this year, why not raid them? Yes it'd suck for them as they'd lose those key players for their National League campaigns, but priorities! Talking Andy Bevan, Sam Mason-Smith, Mario Barcia, JH Sinclair, maybe even Gulley for the depth...
iI know this makes sense to do, but I really hate it. I'd really like to see a welly team win the NL in this new revamped format and I truly think either team could do it with those players still in. Makes good sense for the Nix though, I can't see many other options for them.
Reason I pick out raiding the Wellington teams is because you know what Auckland City and other northern sides can be difficult (and I genuinely believe that, apart from ACFC, their players aren't as desirable). Yeah I'd feel bad about us fudgeing up their NL campaigns, but again, priorities!
If I'm honest I'm a little bit sick of us holding on to Rufer and Fenton for so damn long... I'm 100% for the club supporting Kiwi players, but shouldn't this entail bringing top domestic players through. Look at the successes that Tim Payne, Clayton Lewis, Callum McCowatt and Callan Elliot to a slightly lesser extent have been!
Fenton and Rufer are both more than servicable A-League players, releasing them would be absolutely insane. Both would look like a whale shark in a fishbowl if they dropped back down to the Handy.
You need depth & squad players to compete. A-League experience is going to be invaluable this season - plenty of other spots in the squad to bring through top performers from local sides, if Talay decides to take that approach.
Sure I get it, and tbh this close to the season starting, I think you're right that it would be stupid to release them now. But maybe envisiging a future where we bring through other Kiwis that will challenge them for positions and eventually challenge them for squad status? Sure.
You can hammer on and on about experience and all that but when Tim Payne, a Handy Prem player, came in, he overtook Louis Fenton at right back. Rufer was overtaken first by Devlin at centremid (a guy who had little to no AL experience), and then again by Lewis at centremid (a guy who had little professional experience). So I don't really buy it that they're a massive level above the domestic league - they'd look good in it no doubt, but they'd hardly rip it to pieces.
So yeah sure no point in releasing Fenton and Rufer this close to the season, but seriously, we need to plan for a more ambitious future than they offer.
Rufer was overtaken by Devlin, who is already looking at home in a higher quality league in the SPFL - there's no shame in having better players in the squad. Lewis & Payne were both also clearly too good for the Handy & came back to NZ after having professional experience overseas - there are very, very few players like that a) playing in the National League and b) willing to play for the Phoenix (eg, Howieson).
Both guys are more than capable of being A-League squaddies - if you want to be more ambitious than that signing NZ based players would be few and far between - we aren't in a position to be releasing A-League quality players, now or at any time in the future.
Personally, I think you're heavily under-rating both players & over-rating the Handy compared to the A-League. McCowatt was also class in the Handy (top scorer 2 years in a row) but really struggled to make the step up to A-League quality - scoring only two goals. Gulley was regarded as one of the best defenders in the Handy but looked woefully out of his depth in the A-League. The same is true for Hamish Watson. The gap in quality & the step from amateur to professional is much bigger than you're making it out to be, as history shows. I'm not saying Fenton and Rufer should be nailed on starters but there really isn't the quality in our domestic competition to replace them currently & they're the exact type of player you keep around to maintain a team culture over a period of time.
The Reid talk is a bit ridiculous to be honest. There's no way the Phoenix can come close to the wages he can command at another club. The Phoenix are not going to spend millions of dollars to bring Reid here, not to mention the uncertainty with COVID and costs associated with season-long relocation, and Reid's injury-prone nature.
I don't think the club will get Reid either but surely no club is gonna fork out anything more than 25% of his wage at West Ham with his injury record.
Lets be fair though, prior to Handy, Payne was at Blackburn or something wasn't he? And Lewis at Scodhorpe.lthomas20
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Chances of getting Reid are bugger all as we know, wouldn't even bother thinking about him.
Bit concerned that our squad will be pretty threadbare and academy players could struggle (I'm all for pushing them through as we have done, but two or three at once not five or six).
Serious suggestion - Miramar and Welly Olympic have a lot of the remains of Team Wellington and have both looked pretty flash this year, why not raid them? Yes it'd suck for them as they'd lose those key players for their National League campaigns, but priorities! Talking Andy Bevan, Sam Mason-Smith, Mario Barcia, JH Sinclair, maybe even Gulley for the depth...
iI know this makes sense to do, but I really hate it. I'd really like to see a welly team win the NL in this new revamped format and I truly think either team could do it with those players still in. Makes good sense for the Nix though, I can't see many other options for them.
Reason I pick out raiding the Wellington teams is because you know what Auckland City and other northern sides can be difficult (and I genuinely believe that, apart from ACFC, their players aren't as desirable). Yeah I'd feel bad about us fudgeing up their NL campaigns, but again, priorities!
If I'm honest I'm a little bit sick of us holding on to Rufer and Fenton for so damn long... I'm 100% for the club supporting Kiwi players, but shouldn't this entail bringing top domestic players through. Look at the successes that Tim Payne, Clayton Lewis, Callum McCowatt and Callan Elliot to a slightly lesser extent have been!
Fenton and Rufer are both more than servicable A-League players, releasing them would be absolutely insane. Both would look like a whale shark in a fishbowl if they dropped back down to the Handy.
You need depth & squad players to compete. A-League experience is going to be invaluable this season - plenty of other spots in the squad to bring through top performers from local sides, if Talay decides to take that approach.
Sure I get it, and tbh this close to the season starting, I think you're right that it would be stupid to release them now. But maybe envisiging a future where we bring through other Kiwis that will challenge them for positions and eventually challenge them for squad status? Sure.
You can hammer on and on about experience and all that but when Tim Payne, a Handy Prem player, came in, he overtook Louis Fenton at right back. Rufer was overtaken first by Devlin at centremid (a guy who had little to no AL experience), and then again by Lewis at centremid (a guy who had little professional experience). So I don't really buy it that they're a massive level above the domestic league - they'd look good in it no doubt, but they'd hardly rip it to pieces.
So yeah sure no point in releasing Fenton and Rufer this close to the season, but seriously, we need to plan for a more ambitious future than they offer.
Taylor never talked to Ufuk about leaving, in fact the club was in talks with him about transitioning him into a management position after his career finished and were open to signing him on for another year. They also gave him a pay rise after he came back on reduced wages last season.
Ufuk had an inkling that Taylor wasn't happy, which is why he made him captain, but it was still a shock when Taylor announced his retirement and also when Taylor came out swinging against the club.
Taylor never talked to Ufuk about leaving, in fact the club was in talks with him about transitioning him into a management position after his career finished and were open to signing him on for another year. They also gave him a pay rise after he came back on reduced wages last season.
Ufuk had an inkling that Taylor wasn't happy, which is why he made him captain, but it was still a shock when Taylor announced his retirement and also when Taylor came out swinging against the club.
Clearly a communication breakdown there.
Article also says again about the difficulty of signing imports and getting them into Aus. But this hasn't stopped other clubs. Two new imports named by other clubs today. Also transfer deadline, closes on 18 Oct according to the article.
Taylor never talked to Ufuk about leaving, in fact the club was in talks with him about transitioning him into a management position after his career finished and were open to signing him on for another year. They also gave him a pay rise after he came back on reduced wages last season.
Ufuk had an inkling that Taylor wasn't happy, which is why he made him captain, but it was still a shock when Taylor announced his retirement and also when Taylor came out swinging against the club.
Clearly a communication breakdown there.
Article also says again about the difficulty of signing imports and getting them into Aus. But this hasn't stopped other clubs. Two new imports named by other clubs today. Also transfer deadline, closes on 18 Oct according to the article.
Maybe it's less a 'logistics' thing, more a selling 'lots of time in MIQ/lockdown' thing?
Taylor never talked to Ufuk about leaving, in fact the club was in talks with him about transitioning him into a management position after his career finished and were open to signing him on for another year. They also gave him a pay rise after he came back on reduced wages last season.
Ufuk had an inkling that Taylor wasn't happy, which is why he made him captain, but it was still a shock when Taylor announced his retirement and also when Taylor came out swinging against the club.
Clearly a communication breakdown there.
Article also says again about the difficulty of signing imports and getting them into Aus. But this hasn't stopped other clubs. Two new imports named by other clubs today. Also transfer deadline, closes on 18 Oct according to the article.
Maybe it's less a 'logistics' thing, more a selling 'lots of time in MIQ/lockdown' thing?
Yeh I guess, add to that the uncertainty about where the team is going to be based and relocating back and forth is a hard sell. Are they hedging there bets on being back in NZ in Jan, so they can offer a more settled option, especially to those with families. Edit. I see Aus is re-opening international borders next month.
Taylor never talked to Ufuk about leaving, in fact the club was in talks with him about transitioning him into a management position after his career finished and were open to signing him on for another year. They also gave him a pay rise after he came back on reduced wages last season.
Ufuk had an inkling that Taylor wasn't happy, which is why he made him captain, but it was still a shock when Taylor announced his retirement and also when Taylor came out swinging against the club.
Clearly a communication breakdown there.
Article also says again about the difficulty of signing imports and getting them into Aus. But this hasn't stopped other clubs. Two new imports named by other clubs today. Also transfer deadline, closes on 18 Oct according to the article.
Maybe it's less a 'logistics' thing, more a selling 'lots of time in MIQ/lockdown' thing?
Also, maybe the Australian government is more inclined to allow through players destined for Australian A-League teams than NZ ones, especially because we can't say were we will be based, so what state the player should quarantine in.
We know already that NZ MIQ does not give the Phoenix any special dispensation.
Nix definitely going to NSW, so if they sign any visa player whilst in Australia, you'd think the MIQ application would be for Sydney.
And just because VUC and Glory have made visa signings, doesn't mean those visa players will necessarily be playing for them anytime soon. Could take them some time to find a MIQ spot, same as anyone, unless VIC or WA govts do them a favour.
A lot of respect lost for Taylor here. He basically twisted the club's arm into letting him break contract and leave twice, disregarded the club's promise of a coaching pathway and then went to piss and moan to the media, telling them one thing and the club another. If this had been an amicable split I'd still be disappointed but Taylor going around bad mouthing the club for stuff he didn't even disclose to them is really poor form and ruins his legacy with us imo. Piney's Herald article was also pretty ടhit, painting Taylor like some cult hero without having spoken to the club about the situation first. I'd expect better from someone like Piney, and it's disappointing that Taylor and Jason have forced the club to release a statement to defend themselves. The last few seasons have shown more clearly than ever that our ownership group cares about this club and are willing to cover significant costs themselves to keep the Nix afloat, so to try and put them in a bad light and make out that Taylor leaving is due to poor practice from them is ടhit reporting and disrespectful to the club.
