Even if it was a play to get cheaper rates at RoF its got to look like its possible or else the stadium trust will just call Welnix's bluff.
Next up: New Zealand Phoenix....
I think this as well... dammit CT have a "this" much as I don't want to admit this is a likely outcome.
I will be seriously pissed off if we play home matches in other towns outside that period though, but it would not surprise me if it happened.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Even if it was a play to get cheaper rates at RoF its got to look like its possible or else the stadium trust will just call Welnix's bluff.
Next up: New Zealand Phoenix....
I think this as well... dammit CT have a "this" much as I don't want to admit this is a likely outcome.
I will be seriously pissed off if we play home matches in other towns outside that period though, but it would not surprise me if it happened.
So we really need a #SackWelnix thread, don't we? Football know-nothings, PR/local politics failures, and miserly with player signings to boot.
So we really need a #SackWelnix thread, don't we? Football know-nothings, PR/local politics failures, and miserly with player signings to boot.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
So we really need a #SackWelnix thread, don't we? Football know-nothings, PR/local politics failures, and miserly with player signings to boot.
Ultimately though, I think they were naive in thinking that a football club can be a self-sustaining business and I've always said so (and I know others have too, including you I think Doloras). Now they're in charge and beginning to realise that it might not be possible to break even, and they're trying to find people to blame - stadium management and the Wellington public have both copped it already. Soon it'll be the ratepayers of the Hutt, the Petone Rugby Club, and the Hutt Council themselves too.
It pisses me off people still talking about terry and inflated salaries. Which player on a contract for next year in fact is on a so called terry salary? One, zero? Time to stop using this as any type of defense for the current owners
So we really need a #SackWelnix thread, don't we? Football know-nothings, PR/local politics failures, and miserly with player signings to boot.
Ultimately though, I think they were naive in thinking that a football club can be a self-sustaining business and I've always said so (and I know others have too, including you I think Doloras). Now they're in charge and beginning to realise that it might not be possible to break even, and they're trying to find people to blame - stadium management and the Wellington public have both copped it already. Soon it'll be the ratepayers of the Hutt, the Petone Rugby Club, and the Hutt Council themselves too.
It pisses me off people still talking about terry and inflated salaries. Which player on a contract for next year in fact is on a so called terry salary?
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
A couple of players were marquee under Terry. Think Mckain was one. But it was generally just to fit players under the salary cap, rather than to pay them millions.
So we really need a #SackWelnix thread, don't we? Football know-nothings, PR/local politics failures, and miserly with player signings to boot.
Ultimately though, I think they were naive in thinking that a football club can be a self-sustaining business and I've always said so (and I know others have too, including you I think Doloras). Now they're in charge and beginning to realise that it might not be possible to break even, and they're trying to find people to blame - stadium management and the Wellington public have both copped it already. Soon it'll be the ratepayers of the Hutt, the Petone Rugby Club, and the Hutt Council themselves too.
It pisses me off people still talking about terry and inflated salaries. Which player on a contract for next year in fact is on a so called terry salary?
Edit: should add that I also don't think it's fair to criticise squad investment for next season at this stage because obviously we haven't finished signing a full squad yet.
You talk like your word is gospel.
Its fair to think it may have been a negotiation tactic. But none of us really know for sure.
Don't forget their is still one council who had put its hand up to back a stadium who have not said a thing.
Need to remember it was the councils who came to the Wenix.
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
Today's Hutt News ( April 22nd 2014) has NO letters at all on the arena/stadium plan.
Page 3 has an article 'Setback for Petone arena'. It details the 'Petone Rugby Club coming out strongly in opposition'.
On the inside back page it has a half page article headlined 'Cricket likely loser at Phoenix arena'.
However alongside that is a short column in which Lower Hutt's coach Brendan McIntyre suggests Phoenix could use the Fraser Park Sportsville (when complete) as their training base.
From the same article;
"The club wanted to introduce more teams, including a women's team, and would get more training time at Petone if the club shared pitches with Capital Football at nearby Petone Memorial Park, he (Morgan) wrote."
So does that mean training would be at Memorial Park rather than on the adjacent pitches, thus leaving those for public use and also for Cricket/Rugby?
Or am I misreading that? The writing there is a little clunky so I could be interpreting incorrectly.
NZ football - forever waiting for a fax from FIFA..........
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
FYI:
Petone Stadium- time to act
You should have received the 2014-2015 Draft Annual Plan Summary with the Hutt News of 16 April (Council and libraries have extra copies as well as the full Plan). The back pages are a questionnaire asking for feedback on their plans.
Putting in a response is crucial- so far the Mayor and councillors haven’t listened to all the concerns we’re raised. Now’s the main chance to deliver a very clear community message - we don’t want a stadium on our Rec!
The questionnaire covers several topics on which you may want to express a view. For instance, why should the Council embark now on a grand plan for city rejuvenation that requires a doubling in Council debt from $50 million to $100 million in 2020 for example – see page 21) and wasn’t part of the recently completed 2012-2022 Long Term Plan.
But the key questions that you need to cover that relate to the stadium are:
· the last item in the table listing Major Projects: Special project for consultation- Petone Arena. This needs a clear “Don’t Support”; and
· because the Arena requires extra debt on top of the increase being consulted on (it would add another accumulating 1% each year for 3 years from 2015-16- ie an extra 3% by 2018/19), you need to respond to both boxes on the Financial Strategy section:
o In the first box: to exclude debt for a stadium, say: either “I don’t agree with increasing the debt limit” or “I don’t agree with increasing the debt limit as proposed”, and tick a box that limits debt to no more than $100m; and
o In the second box: say “I don’t agree with an additional 1% rates increase per year- the current limit should be retained”.
You can also add extra comments, and/or choose to make an oral presentation to Council to support your submission (this requires ticking a box in the opening section of the questionnaire).
You can also choose to make your submission on-line- click on www.huttcity.govt.nz/annualplan and go to the “Tell us what you think” section. Please also encourage all your friends and connections through the Hutt valley to put in responses- it looks as though only an overwhelming “No” will help the Mayor and councillors hear us.
Other relevant news
The Hutt City parks manager has looked at what ground space would be left for the community once the stadium and practice ground for the Phoenix are put in place. His conclusion- there will be just one rugby field available (there are seven now)! No wonder then, faced with the loss of almost all their grounds, that the Petone Rugby Club issued the following statement: “The Petone Rugby Club Management Committee, after thorough discussion, decided that we are not in favour of the proposed Arena at the Petone Recreational Ground.” (see www.petonerugby.com).
What you can do now:
· Fill out and return the questionnaire or complete it online on by 5pm, Friday 16 May. Add as many extra comments as possible.
· Attend Petone Planning Action Group’s public meeting on Monday 5th May, 7.30pm at Petone Baptist Church, 38 Buick Street for more discussion and/or help with submissions.
· Keep encouraging others to make give their feedback too
Carl and Merran Bakker, on behalf of a group of concerned Petone residents
This is the first (and probably only) time I wish I lived in the hutt so I could vote on this thing.
I think the lack of proper designs on this thing have come back to bite. The is a lack of clarity over how much of the ground they want to take up for training, or not. I mentioned this very early on.
The original plans didn't make it clear, lots of noise from opponents about losing the ground, some discussion about training at Memorial Park but nothing concrete.
Typical shambles.
I don't understand why they'd be against having a brand new facility to play at that won't cost them a thing? Especially since the current stand is falling to bits.
*not that I think all people involved in rugby in NZ are anti-football, but enough to make a difference are
Well that is ill-informed garbage. I know two of the PRFC people interviewed in that article, both are entirely reasonable people (I think Wayne Smith has a link to football somehow?) and would have been happy to see a facility that would have benefitted them as well.
On a busy day at the Rec you may have 8 senior rugby games in the afternoon and 15-20 junior games in the morning spread across 8-10 fields. Absolutely the loss of space would be critical for them. North Park isn't a legitimate option, mainly because it is to small to be used as a Premier ground.
I've said over and over again in this thread that PRFC being on-board was a no-brainer, having people like Andy Leslie or Alan Hewson coming out publically in support would have been massive within the community. But they didn't.
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
did welnix ever ask for their support? unlikely - it's certainly not Gareths' way of doing things.
Queenslander 3x a year.
I don't understand why they'd be against having a brand new facility to play at that won't cost them a thing? Especially since the current stand is falling to bits.
*not that I think all people involved in rugby in NZ are anti-football, but enough to make a difference are
Well that is ill-informed garbage. I know two of the PRFC people interviewed in that article, both are entirely reasonable people (I think Wayne Smith has a link to football somehow?) and would have been happy to see a facility that would have benefitted them as well.
On a busy day at the Rec you may have 8 senior rugby games in the afternoon and 15-20 junior games in the morning spread across 8-10 fields. Absolutely the loss of space would be critical for them. North Park isn't a legitimate option, mainly because it is to small to be used as a Premier ground.
I've said over and over again in this thread that PRFC being on-board was a no-brainer, having people like Andy Leslie or Alan Hewson coming out publically in support would have been massive within the community. But they didn't.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
NIMBY alert:
'Beckham's Miami stadium bid hits strong opposition'
"...Beckham, 38, has run into resistance that his Hollywood looks and stellar sports resume have failed to dazzle: an alliance of shipping companies, tourism officials and residents. Locals say traffic is already congested in the downtown port area and fear a stadium would create massive gridlock" ... etc etc
- todays NZ Herald.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
There is already a thread on this guys. Mods take control!
FYI:
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IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ Petone Rugby Football Club & Petone Arena The Council Controlled Organisation, Community Facilities Trust (CFT) Trust Chairperson, Alistair Skene spoke to PRFC members about the opportunity that had arisen from an approach by the Welnix and the future that CFT has for the Petone Recreation Ground and the Petone Arena. High level (glossy) concept plans were presented and members were given time to ask questions. Questions ranged from "whether this was a regional initiative?", "how had Petone Rec. been reached as the recommended choice?" to "turf usage and what guarantees could be made for the Phoenix (as an anchor tenant) being around in 1, 2, 5 years time?" Mr Skene was asked (and agreed) to provide what he had previously described as "detailed analysis" to the PRFC President - to date nothing has been forthcoming. We have since learned that no such analysis exists. PRFC would like to understand how the CFT has reached the conclusion that the best place for an arena is Petone Rec. when several other equally (if not better) sites exist. HCC Ground Layout InformationOn Monday 14th April, Officers from the Hutt City Council presented further detail showing the most likely layout of the grounds if the arena is built. It is on the basis of this information combined with the earlier CFT presentation that the PRFC Management Committee made the following statement: “ The Petone Rugby Club Management Committee, after thorough discussion, decided that we are not in favour of the proposed Arena at the Petone Recreational Ground. We would support further development at Westpac Stadium which is a Regional asset, and feel that a similar level of investment in that facility would provide an asset that would achieve the Phoenix aspirations. We feel that there has not been sufficient investigation of alternative venues. Looking at the initial proposal we strongly believe that insufficient work has been completed for this proposal and there will be substantial loss of playing facility for our Junior section as well as the Senior players. The building of such an arena will contravene the principle of the provision of a community asset.” John Roper, President, PRFC SubmissionsThe Petone Rugby Football Club will be making a submission AGAINST the arena proposal. We encourage all club members to make a submission and we realise that some of our members may be for the proposal - either way it is important that all views are heard. We hope to have details on how to complete a submission shortly - we will announce this on our Home Page so keep checking back. Detail Presented to PRFC
The diagram to the left is the current layout - to the right (without the arena showing) is the result after the arena is completed. The BLUE grounds are rugby grounds. If the Arena were to go ahead: During the construction period at least one season would be lost (possibly two) with no games able to be played; We can't speak for cricket but the impact is obvious (Purple and Lime coloured areas); We also can't speak for Touch Rugby but the net effect there is also obvious (the yellow areas); For club rugby the arena will swallow up Number 1 and Number 4 which are playing fields; It will also remove Number 4 from use as a training field; and it will remove Number 4 from being used on saturday mornings as 2 junior fields. A further junior field (Under 6's) running alongside Number 4 will be lost. (6 fields / opportunities to train and play, lost!) Perhaps the worst loss is that of Number 1 - our heart, our mother our mana whenua, 100+ years of history, tradition, legends, blood, sweat and tears and the field that every kid in the club aspires to play on and follow in the foot-steps of the many greats who have gone before. Of note is that the replacement ground would have an East-West orientation - totally undesirable in this location. The "after" diagram shows a black rectangle - Number 2. Number 2 has two Senior games on a saturday as well as up to 4 Junior games on a saturday morning (the field being split in half.) The Phoenix want to consolidate their business at one venue bringing their training, playing, management and admin services to one ground. They require an additional training ground outside the arena. We have been advised that it is intended to turn Number 2 into a sand-based training ground and the Phoenix intend using it 10 months of the year for up to 2 hours per day, 5 days per week. This level of usage will preclude all other activity on this ground and with maintenance required outside this time, Number 2 will no longer be available for (rugby or any other sport) game play. To accommodate the arena's north stand, both Number 2 and the ground alongside (Number 3) will move toward the north. This will have the effect of squeezing down the size of the two Junior grounds at the northen edge of the Rec. and as can be seen from the diagram, these Junior grounds are not big enough to accommodate anything other than our Under 6 grade. We field teams in every grade from Nursery to Under 13 with up to 3 teams in most grades. SummaryPetone Rugby Football Club has over 400 Juniors registered and over 150 Senior (afternoon grade) players and if the arena were to proceed it is obvious that very few of our teams would ever get to play at home. By reducing our ability to train and more importantly if we are not able to nurture and grow our Nursery, the Petone Rugby Football Club would not survive. We believe that disadvantaging over 550 community (rugby) sports people and their opponents - not to mention cricket, touch, schools and the wider community - for the benefit of 40-60 professional footballers and a privately owned business, does not have the community's interests at heart. We strongly recommend that all PRFC members complete a submission AGAINST the proposed arena.
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Well some research has gone into this statement. Good on them for making it public. (I assume)
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
Well some research has gone into this statement. Good on them for making it public. (I assume)
I still don't understand why they need to know how petone rec was the best option.and why they encourage renovation of westpac stadium instead. Surely they should just be taking this proposal on its own merits.
"Have they considered building it in Hutt rec? How about the moon? Anywhere else but here?" - irrelevant statement, and a bit of a cop out excuse to not back or consider the proposal imo.
I still don't understand why they need to know how petone rec was the best option.and why they encourage renovation of westpac stadium instead. Surely they should just be taking this proposal on its own merits.
"Have they considered building it in Hutt rec? How about the moon? Anywhere else but here?" - irrelevant statement, and a bit of a cop out excuse to not back or consider the proposal imo.
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
I still don't understand why they need to know how petone rec was the best option.and why they encourage renovation of westpac stadium instead. Surely they should just be taking this proposal on its own merits.
"Have they considered building it in Hutt rec? How about the moon? Anywhere else but here?" - irrelevant statement, and a bit of a cop out excuse to not back or consider the proposal imo.
Perhaps we should build on the Hutt Rec site. The Belle Vue could be the next Back Bencher!!
We will lose Six fields! Love tge Math. 2 fields are lost not 6.
Perhaps we should build on the Hutt Rec site. The Belle Vue could be the next Back Bencher!!
Log Farm is better idea.
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
shall we start talking about porirua again?
If Porirua Park was closer to the CBD it could've been a very real possibility I guess. Theres lots of room around where Te Rauparaha Arena is ... but its all green space. Nimbys wouldnt have a bar of it. You'd be better off revisiting Newtown.
edit: Actually theres almost no room where Te Rauparaha is.
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