I'm not sure about ifill's chance of having citizenship next year, but we need to start planning now for 4 imports, or even 3, as it looks like it will drop again. I'm wondering if they are still going to aim to have an extra asian spot and look at aligning themselves with the ACL with the 3+1 rule (would make a lot of sense for the league.)
So I would assume Ifill will still be an import next year, but would think he would either only have 1 year left, or become a citizen by the following season.
Greeny will most probably be out at then end of the year I would assume
Warner should probably go, especially if the owners want to promote young kiwis - gk would be the easiest to justify in my mind.
Sanchez probably needs to stay if he can hold some form
Smith isnt worth an import spot in my eyes - i like him as a player, and would take him if he was kiwi or ausie, but i feel with the import spots reducing, we need to really use them in starting positions where we dont have strength, and also sign guys up who can help mentor our youth- ifill, greeny for example.
Ifill and Manny might not be imports though, as they would both be eligible to apply for NZ citizenship. Of course this is assuming that Ifill wants to have another few years at the Phoenix.
Citizenship takes 5 years, Ifill has not been here for long enough. And not something that could likely be expedited because benefit to NZ of fast-tracking him would be minimal.
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Sorry RJ, maybe I didn't explain clearly that my point was about next season, not this season. I guess I got two things mixed up (e.g. keep Smith at least for the rest of the season AND replace Warner with an Aussie/Kiwi for next year).
Imray must be a kiwi now, otherwise we had 6 imports for the game in Rnd 2.I think Imray is not yet a Kiwi. i don't know him personally but I seem to remember that he was in the process of getting citizenship in the next year or so (?). Can anyone confirm?
Having seen him in action many times, I think he is DEFINITELY up to A-League standards. Would love him to see in goal for the Nix once Paston hangs his boots.
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Also, Play with Fire, you make a good point - but you always have to gauge your current squad against you future signings. E.g. maybe Smith isn't worth a spot "under normal circumstances" but unless we sign 2-3 players of equal or higher ability, he is needed and we should keep him.
Then again, if we get a decent RB another AMF and a FW - then perhaps we can look at who we should get rid of.
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Next season will see Chris Killen on board so that fills the striker spot without taking an import spot. I think Greenacre may also retire to become full time assistant. That opens up an import spot. If we can secure a decent Aussie full back (lord knows we've tried and failed many times and all the Kiwi ones are sh*t) then we have an import spot free for the AMF role.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Its no longer a problem.
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Still undecided on Smith - Would like to see him given a shot upfront though!?
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Sorry RJ, maybe I didn't explain clearly that my point was about next season, not this season. I guess I got two things mixed up (e.g. keep Smith at least for the rest of the season AND replace Warner with an Aussie/Kiwi for next year).
Imray must be a kiwi now, otherwise we had 6 imports for the game in Rnd 2.[Edit: fixed spelling]
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I think Imray is not yet a Kiwi. i don't know him personally but I seem to remember that he was in the process of getting citizenship in the next year or so (?). Can anyone confirm?
Having seen him in action many times, I think he is DEFINITELY up to A-League standards. Would love him to see in goal for the Nix once Paston hangs his boots.
Pretty sure injury cover doesn't count towards imports.
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Also, Play with Fire, you make a good point - but you always have to gauge your current squad against you future signings. E.g. maybe Smith isn't worth a spot "under normal circumstances" but unless we sign 2-3 players of equal or higher ability, he is needed and we should keep him.
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Then again, if we get a decent RB another AMF and a FW - then perhaps we can look at who we should get rid of.
they do count as imports - injury cover players that is.
also, i feel like the league is always going to be improving, and a versatile squad player isnt exactly the type of player we would be wanting from an import.
I hope he can prove me wrong though and bang many goals in though
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Why... he is a midfielder
Was just under the impression he was a striker? Obviously not!
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Why... he is a midfielder
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Was just under the impression he was a striker? Obviously not!
I was under the impression he was midfield back in his college days. But scored some goals while playn upfront in NSW league. So i think he is both
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I'm not sure Smith is very good to be honest.
Brown hides a lot as we know, but he's our top scorer already and I am not sure we can afford to take his goals out of the team, despite his overall contribution.
Brown hides a lot as we know, but he's our top scorer already and I am not sure we can afford to take his goals out of the team, despite his overall contribution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Ifill is applying for residency. As is his mrs.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Why... he is a midfielder
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Was just under the impression he was a striker? Obviously not!
I was under the impression he was midfield back in his college days. But scored some goals while playn upfront in NSW league. So i think he is both
http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=8476
"I've always prided myself on being able to play different positions. Forward is probably not even my true position. I'm more of an attacking midfielder. I usually have to play forward if I'm with a team that doesn't have anybody who can score goals, so I have to go up there and score the goals. But I really prefer playing that kind of central midfield role, whether it be defensive or attacking."
- From the horse's mouth earlier this month.
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Ifill is applying for residency. As is his mrs.
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Actually he would be a shoe in on the points system - filling a gap in the skilled footballers market.
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I think Imray is decent enough for A-league, especially a second keeper which means (in the nix) playing most of the season because of Paston injury 
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Actually he would be a shoe in on the points system - filling a gap in the skilled footballers market.
Yeah I remember Daniel having getting his residence quickly and fast-tracking his citizenship application. I think ifill would definitely get citienzhip, the question is when though.
Immigration can decided to fast track applications whenever they deem the candidate's reasons to be important enough.
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Immigration can decided to fast track applications whenever they deem the candidate's reasons to be important enough.
I think they will look favourably on Ifill
's application - immigration officers appreciate a nice horseshoe mo when they see one (I'm sure it's part of their job description or KPIs).
Not so sure about Elle tho'.
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Pretty sure it's 5 years for citizenship no matter what. Wasn't Daniel here for 5 years and then got his citizenship?
In fact, it used to be 3 years for citizenship I think so maybe he got in before it changed to 5.
In fact, it used to be 3 years for citizenship I think so maybe he got in before it changed to 5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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I wonder if there is a woman with a young kid sitting in a bus in Nelson or ChCh slagging off at all the "foreigners"?
("This isn't my New Zild anymore, F*ck off back to Nicaragua")
Edit: BTW reg22 - this is what is called a joke.
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("This isn't my New Zild anymore, F*ck off back to Nicaragua")
Edit: BTW reg22 - this is what is called a joke.
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Pretty sure it's 5 years for citizenship no matter what. Wasn't Daniel here for 5 years and then got his citizenship?In fact, it used to be 3 years for citizenship I think so maybe he got in before it changed to 5.
Pretty sure Daniel's was fast-tracked, being All Whites eligible was 5 years. Daniel's been here since 2007.You know we belong together...
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Actually he would be a shoe in on the points system - filling a gap in the skilled footballers market.
Yeah I remember Daniel having getting his residence quickly and fast-tracking his citizenship application. I think ifill would definitely get citienzhip, the question is when though.Immigration can decided to fast track applications whenever they deem the candidate's reasons to be important enough.
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I am not sure if it is actual Citizenship granting that is the issue as I am not sure that you have to be here for any set time to be granted it, so long as you meet the Criteria. The time period relates more to FIFA qualification periods to allow some one to be eligble to play for a country
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AucklandPhoenix would clear this up once and for all.
(I think you can get fast-tracked if you are a tiler as well)
(I think you can get fast-tracked if you are a tiler as well)
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Only if you are in the pocket of a corrupt MP!
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All he needs is permanent residency. I've been here for nearly 30 years and that is all I have yet I'd be a local player if I was good enough. Likewise with Phil Imray. Pretty sure he'd be a local player now as well.
Its no longer a problem.
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Only if you are in the pocket of a corrupt MP!
any particular one?
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Take your pick ... around 121 of them at last count!
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I am not sure if it is actual Citizenship granting that is the issue as I am not sure that you have to be here for any set time to be granted it, so long as you meet the Criteria. The time period relates more to FIFA qualification periods to allow some one to be eligble to play for a country
You have to have residence status in NZ for 5 years (Resident for 2 + Permanent Resident for 3) before you can apply for NZ citizenship in normal circumstances.
In special circumstances citizenship applications can be fast-tracked without having this requirement fulfilled if the application is deemed to be beneficial to NZ. This was why Daniel's case was fast-tracked, as it was believed he'd be able to represent NZ in football, and benefit NZ in this way. As it turned out, the FIFA eligibility rules changed around the same time, and Daniel missed out, but it has helped the Phoenix with the import slots.
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All he needs is permanent residency. I've been here for nearly 30 years and that is all I have yet I'd be a local player if I was good enough. Likewise with Phil Imray. Pretty sure he'd be a local player now as well.
Don't think permanent residence is enough to be classed as a local player for the A-league purposes. Pretty sure they ask for the player's passport (this is the norm for international matches, and think FFA follow it), and you can't have the passport of a country unless you're its citizen.
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By the sound of it it isn't as simple as just residency or citizenship. I played age group for NZ but never got citizenship.
Can't find anything that details what you need. I just assume the club aren't stupid and will look at all the options available.
Can't find anything that details what you need. I just assume the club aren't stupid and will look at all the options available.
Its no longer a problem.
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Only if you are in the pocket of a corrupt MP!
Maybe not so much in the pocket but in the house of the MP.
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One first requires residency to apply for citizenship. I am the expert in this area (residency)
Most need to hold their residency for 5 years to apply for citizenship (it used to be 3 years) but to make the ausis happy we made it 5 years.
The minister can however grant citizenship to any one they wish but it needs to be somewhat of an exceptional case. I will leave it up to you lot to determine if Daniel was exceptional
Most need to hold their residency for 5 years to apply for citizenship (it used to be 3 years) but to make the ausis happy we made it 5 years.
The minister can however grant citizenship to any one they wish but it needs to be somewhat of an exceptional case. I will leave it up to you lot to determine if Daniel was exceptional
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One first requires residency to apply for citizenship. I am the expert in this area (residency)
The term the NZ Immigration Service actually uses is residence.el grapadura2011-11-30 23:57:59
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I think you will find el grap the term they use for their name is Immigration New Zealand
Important to get their name rightAucklandPhoenix2011-12-01 00:04:22
Important to get their name rightAucklandPhoenix2011-12-01 00:04:22
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True that, they have re-branded. But my point stands.
And I'm not the one claiming to be the expert in the area.
And I'm not the one claiming to be the expert in the area.
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I can see that ;)
I thought you did ok back there however, you were on the right track
I thought you did ok back there however, you were on the right track
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2nd best. For some reason that lovely photo of me that you made has gone. Can you get it back?
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Ifill and Manny might not be imports though, as they would both be eligible to apply for NZ citizenship. Of course this is assuming that Ifill wants to have another few years at the Phoenix.
Muscat isn't an import anyway.
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Ifill and Manny might not be imports though, as they would both be eligible to apply for NZ citizenship. Of course this is assuming that Ifill wants to have another few years at the Phoenix
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Muscat isn't an import anyway.
Media statements and citizenship papers for him and his mrs suggest this is his intention, he appears quite happy at the phoenix and keen to run the rest of his career with us.
Seems as though he may be planning on retiring here and residing permanently although that's pure speculation.
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