because 20,000 people don't want to walk 45 minutes to watch a game of football?
We can barely get 10k to a facility with a a huge car parking building, plus buses and trains coming from all over.
Maybe they should think of it as a pub crawl. I would. Vehicles an unnecessary impediment.
Not so good for young families, elderly, impaired mobility.
I think most people will tolerate a walk of about 2 times the length of the Fran WIlde walkway - maybe about 15 mins / 1.5 km.
Would be quite good to walk up Riddiford St, get some chants going and frighten the animals at the zoo. Would bring back memories of avoiding Red Squad or trying to sandwich a riot squad between two columns of protestors back in '81 (#neverforgetmolesworthst).
I'd be VERY happy to walk 45 mins to this place on a regular basis thanks v much. And my mates who didn't want to could park their cars on the big green car park.
You and two other people.
Not saying that transport to/from Newtown Park is not solvable, but it would require some serious development for car parking, plus transport routes and bus schedules. Then there are all the residents who will get all Eden Park-like and won't be happy
Difficult (unless we are all ex-posties who like walking).
And you'd be happy with your 45 min walk in a howling southerly?
Why not the Police College at Porirua. Wasn't that one of the possible locations considered when they built Westpac? From memory there is a big field up behind their gymnasium and the Hurricanes used to train there I think too. Gymnasium, swimming pool, classrooms, accommodation etc. New motorway [transmission Gully], drop in a train station at the bottom of the hill and you're laughing.
Not the worst idea napierphoenix.
Also Hamburgler, Newtown Park being Wellington's premier Athletics venue is an issue that would need resolving along with the other difficulties you've offered solutions for. I don't think that'd be a cheap to sort out.
Not the worst idea napierphoenix.
Also Hamburgler, Newtown Park being Wellington's premier Athletics venue is an issue that would need resolving along with the other difficulties you've offered solutions for. I don't think that'd be a cheap to sort out.
Move Athletics to Petone Rec.
Why not the Police College at Porirua. Wasn't that one of the possible locations considered when they built Westpac? From memory there is a big field up behind their gymnasium and the Hurricanes used to train there I think too. Gymnasium, swimming pool, classrooms, accommodation etc. New motorway [transmission Gully], drop in a train station at the bottom of the hill and you're laughing.
That or Porirua Hospital. Huge site with mostly derelict buildings outside of the hospital. Good traffic infrastructure reopen Kene railway station.
Build on Tasman Street. Buildings to the east level with current land. Build stands on top.
Keep the old B&G Institute? entrance.
"The Bath"
Plans for new Chinese embassy?
Build on Tasman Street. Buildings to the east level with current land. Build stands on top.
Keep the old B&G Institute? entrance.
"The Bath"
Plans for new Chinese embassy?
I think most people make it a general rule to avoid Porirua whenever possible.
Another idea:
Kaiwharawhara Stadium:
Isn't that a hill that would need to be levelled? I think better would be to use westpacs parking and provide a free shuttle service.
However this is my idea (excuse the really shark gimp work):
Rotate the current pitch 90 degrees, build new stands on the north and southern end in front of the old ones, make the area where the old ones were into a venue and exhibition space.
The sizing just about fits according to google maps, I don't know how accurate that is. you might have to push the east and west stands in a little bit to accomodate the pitch.
EDIT: I should add that the existing stands on the southern end would be used as part of an indoor concert venue which would be long and narrow with a curved back and a stage on the flat wall behind the new stands. The sight lines in it would be excelent. The roof would be supported by the new stands, therefore the councils budget for a new indoor venue would be used to reconfigure westpac stadium.
Another idea:
Kaiwharawhara Stadium:
That looks pretty good. Wouldn't want to be there in an earthquake though.
Some cool ideas here provided cost is not a factor.
Which it is.
Wouldn't want to be there in a direct hit by a meteor either.
where ever it is built I would drive as often I am going to work straiht after the game so yes, I need a car park.
where ever it is built I would drive as often I am going to work straiht after the game so yes, I need a car park.
What is this in response to Andy?
Should the Nix ever get to have a stadium built or have a current facility upgraded. I would like there to be decent car parking as my night shifts start at ten pm so a 7pm ko for example, means that I would go straight to work after the final whistle.
Okay, understood. I thought you were commenting on one of the proposals posted above. Nevermind.
Some cool ideas here provided cost is not a factor.
You would reconfigure Westpac using the budget that the council is setting aside for a new indoor concert venue. The old souther stand would be the seated part of a concert venue.
It wouldn't be multi purpose though, basketball, etc. Would have to stay in TSB arena, but this venue could be used for concerts, lectures, exhibitions, etc.
Another idea:
Kaiwharawhara Stadium:
There's already a football? park just north and over the Hutt Rd from your proposed site - Kaiwharawhara Park (see google map). Looks like it's laid out for gridiron. Bit of bulldozing plus building around the edges and hey presto - there's your stadium.
Another idea:
Kaiwharawhara Stadium:
There's already a football? park just north and over the Hutt Rd from your proposed site - Kaiwharawhara Park (see google map). Looks like it's laid out for gridiron. Bit of bulldozing plus building around the edges and hey presto - there's your stadium.
LOL.
You've not been to Kaiwharawhara park have you?
Some cool ideas here provided cost is not a factor.
You would reconfigure Westpac using the budget that the council is setting aside for a new indoor concert venue. The old souther stand would be the seated part of a concert venue.
It wouldn't be multi purpose though, basketball, etc. Would have to stay in TSB arena, but this venue could be used for concerts, lectures, exhibitions, etc.
My understanding is you simply can't recomfigure Westpac. It would be nice, but it can't be done in anything like a cost effective way. Because of the way it was built if you change part of of it the whole thing needs an overhaul...the circular shape, with symmetiral loading is what holds it together. Any reconfiguration (other than setting up of limited extra seating inside the playing circle but outside the rectangle, would require massive rework. The superstructure would not support additional stresses created by extra seating etc.
So you'd have to knock it down and start all over again. It would be cheaper.
That's unlikely to get approval in the extreme.
It is on that basis that I was looking at alternative sites for a purpose built stadium on the model of the Seattle ground.
Why not the Police College at Porirua. Wasn't that one of the possible locations considered when they built Westpac? From memory there is a big field up behind their gymnasium and the Hurricanes used to train there I think too. Gymnasium, swimming pool, classrooms, accommodation etc. New motorway [transmission Gully], drop in a train station at the bottom of the hill and you're laughing.
It was proposed as Aotea Stadium, Was a good plan back then but now is a new residential area ironically called Aotea Estate I think.
Some cool ideas here provided cost is not a factor.
You would reconfigure Westpac using the budget that the council is setting aside for a new indoor concert venue. The old souther stand would be the seated part of a concert venue.
It wouldn't be multi purpose though, basketball, etc. Would have to stay in TSB arena, but this venue could be used for concerts, lectures, exhibitions, etc.
My understanding is you simply can't recomfigure Westpac. It would be nice, but it can't be done in anything like a cost effective way. Because of the way it was built if you change part of of it the whole thing needs an overhaul...the circular shape, with symmetiral loading is what holds it together. Any reconfiguration (other than setting up of limited extra seating inside the playing circle but outside the rectangle, would require massive rework. The superstructure would not support additional stresses created by extra seating etc.
So you'd have to knock it down and start all over again. It would be cheaper.
That's unlikely to get approval in the extreme.
It is on that basis that I was looking at alternative sites for a purpose built stadium on the model of the Seattle ground.
Yeah the idea though would be to build two completely separate stands in front of the old stands with a new roof structure, etc, and use the existing side stands. So you keep the circular stadium but rotate the pitch 90 degrees and put new structures in front of the north and southern end of the stadium.
The old southern stand would then be semi circular seating for a new indoor venue (if space allows).
The venue would of course not be multi functional from then on, so cricket would need to go to the basin, and the ARL would probably stop coming.
Wouldn't want to be there in a direct hit by a meteor either.
No worries. Crystals at every point where a ley line passes through the stadium and a pyramid over each aisle entrance. Problem? No problem.
Although I for one will keep well away when I have a triple 0 biorhythm day.
Some cool ideas here provided cost is not a factor.
You would reconfigure Westpac using the budget that the council is setting aside for a new indoor concert venue. The old souther stand would be the seated part of a concert venue.
It wouldn't be multi purpose though, basketball, etc. Would have to stay in TSB arena, but this venue could be used for concerts, lectures, exhibitions, etc.
My understanding is you simply can't recomfigure Westpac. It would be nice, but it can't be done in anything like a cost effective way. Because of the way it was built if you change part of of it the whole thing needs an overhaul...the circular shape, with symmetiral loading is what holds it together. Any reconfiguration (other than setting up of limited extra seating inside the playing circle but outside the rectangle, would require massive rework. The superstructure would not support additional stresses created by extra seating etc.
So you'd have to knock it down and start all over again. It would be cheaper.
That's unlikely to get approval in the extreme.
It is on that basis that I was looking at alternative sites for a purpose built stadium on the model of the Seattle ground.
Yeah the idea though would be to build two completely separate stands in front of the old stands with a new roof structure, etc, and use the existing side stands. So you keep the circular stadium but rotate the pitch 90 degrees and put new structures in front of the north and southern end of the stadium.
The old southern stand would then be semi circular seating for a new indoor venue (if space allows).
The venue would of course not be multi functional from then on, so cricket would need to go to the basin, and the ARL would probably stop coming.
But unless the new stands are terraces with massive sightline issues, the existing stands aren't high enough to chuck that many new seats in front of them.
Another idea:
Kaiwharawhara Stadium:
There's already a football? park just north and over the Hutt Rd from your proposed site - Kaiwharawhara Park (see google map). Looks like it's laid out for gridiron. Bit of bulldozing plus building around the edges and hey presto - there's your stadium.
LOL.
You've not been to Kaiwharawhara park have you?
No.
Why not the Police College at Porirua. Wasn't that one of the possible locations considered when they built Westpac? From memory there is a big field up behind their gymnasium and the Hurricanes used to train there I think too. Gymnasium, swimming pool, classrooms, accommodation etc. New motorway [transmission Gully], drop in a train station at the bottom of the hill and you're laughing.
It was proposed as Aotea Stadium, Was a good plan back then but now is a new residential area ironically called Aotea Estate I think.
Yep, that land is built up now. There is still some other land around there though but going pretty quick. It would be a pretty awesome location for it, especially if they could chuck a new station there (which would actually make some sense with all the new development).
I think Porirua Council may be have maxed out on its spending a few years back though (with Pataka, Pool etc) and I'm not sure they'd be so keen to spend money on anything else. As opposed to Hutt Council who wanted to spend some of its money before they lost it to the supercity merger.
LOL.
You've not been to Kaiwharawhara park have you?
No.
The front edge of it is about 25 metres above the Hutt Road - it's nearly a sheer cliff face. The road up to the ground is narrow, one lane and quite steep with a near hairpin bend in it. The whole site is on the sheer side of a hill, only the playing surface is semi flat. The drainage is appalling, it bogs up in winter regularly, and the remainder of the park is bush covered slopes. Engineering-wise it would be extremely difficult to build a stadium there, and that is before you confront the issue that it is a designated park/greenbelt and you'd have a helluva a job winning the rezoning debate and providing compensaory park land somewhere else for the loss.
LOL.
You've not been to Kaiwharawhara park have you?
No.
The front edge of it is about 25 metres above the Hutt Road - it's nearly a sheer cliff face. The road up to the ground is narrow, one lane and quite steep with a near hairpin bend in it. The whole site is on the sheer side of a hill, only the playing surface is semi flat. The drainage is appalling, it bogs up in winter regularly, and the remainder of the park is bush covered slopes. Engineering-wise it would be extremely difficult to build a stadium there, and that is before you confront the issue that it is a designated park/greenbelt and you'd have a helluva a job winning the rezoning debate and providing compensaory park land somewhere else for the loss.
Haha. Bird sanctuary better then. Cheers.
Some cool ideas here provided cost is not a factor.
You would reconfigure Westpac using the budget that the council is setting aside for a new indoor concert venue. The old souther stand would be the seated part of a concert venue.
It wouldn't be multi purpose though, basketball, etc. Would have to stay in TSB arena, but this venue could be used for concerts, lectures, exhibitions, etc.
My understanding is you simply can't recomfigure Westpac. It would be nice, but it can't be done in anything like a cost effective way. Because of the way it was built if you change part of of it the whole thing needs an overhaul...the circular shape, with symmetiral loading is what holds it together. Any reconfiguration (other than setting up of limited extra seating inside the playing circle but outside the rectangle, would require massive rework. The superstructure would not support additional stresses created by extra seating etc.
So you'd have to knock it down and start all over again. It would be cheaper.
That's unlikely to get approval in the extreme.
It is on that basis that I was looking at alternative sites for a purpose built stadium on the model of the Seattle ground.
Yeah the idea though would be to build two completely separate stands in front of the old stands with a new roof structure, etc, and use the existing side stands. So you keep the circular stadium but rotate the pitch 90 degrees and put new structures in front of the north and southern end of the stadium.
The old southern stand would then be semi circular seating for a new indoor venue (if space allows).
The venue would of course not be multi functional from then on, so cricket would need to go to the basin, and the ARL would probably stop coming.
But unless the new stands are terraces with massive sightline issues, the existing stands aren't high enough to chuck that many new seats in front of them.
No the new stands would complete block off the old stands, the old stands in the north and south would not be used for sports events any more. However a new roof could be put to cover them, supported by the new structures. And they could be re-purposed into an exhibition space, and if space allows an indoor arena (which the council wants to spend money on).
Here is a new drawing to help illustrate the idea better.
It's (Kaiwharawhara) also not a full size pitch even before you try and build around it.
It's (Kaiwharawhara) also not a full size pitch even before you try and build around it.
We played there several seasons ago.
I can confirm it's amazingly easy access, ample parking and free draining quality pitch.
(may contain 100% bollocks)
It's (Kaiwharawhara) also not a full size pitch even before you try and build around it.
Reclaim some land then...
Most sensible option would be Gareth to buy the Te Puni Mail centre off the guy who bought it and build a stadium there.
...or under the Korokoro hill where Car Giant and the station overflow parking are.
I still think the better solution is to move the logs north of the ferry terminal (previously proposed) and build over there, across from Westpac... or my alternative plan where a train goes through Westpac and destroys foundations forcing it to be demolished.
