Use the logs to build a stadium - half the job is done!... but seriously, the only "chance" for it to happen is in the Hutt - Wellington ratepayers won't go near it, and if we become a thuper thity then it'll be no chance.
Alternative Wellington Stadium
...or under the Korokoro hill where Car Giant and the station overflow parking are.
I still think the better solution is to move the logs north of the ferry terminal (previously proposed) and build over there, across from Westpac... or my alternative plan where a train goes through Westpac and destroys foundations forcing it to be demolished.
What sort of train?
...or under the Korokoro hill where Car Giant and the station overflow parking are.
I still think the better solution is to move the logs north of the ferry terminal (previously proposed) and build over there, across from Westpac... or my alternative plan where a train goes through Westpac and destroys foundations forcing it to be demolished.
What sort of train?
A very very very very big one
a choo choo train.
Take the A Train.
Take the A Train.
...or under the Korokoro hill ...
Genius... an underground stadium. Dig a big hole where the Westpac pitch is, chuck a rectangular stadium in, stick a new pitch on top but leave some holes for staircases down to the ground.
Or. put it on top of Westpac.
...or under the Korokoro hill ...
Genius... an underground stadium. Dig a big hole where the Westpac pitch is, chuck a rectangular stadium in, stick a new pitch on top but leave some holes for staircases down to the ground.
Or. put it on top of Westpac.
Where did they film the underground scenes in the first Lord of the Rings film? That space looked huge, surely there's room for a football pitch in there.
On second thought that would go directly against the Merrick philosophy and would have suited Herbert far better. I can just imagine Ricki standing there advocating for longballs over the top while standing on that stone bridge. YOUUUU SHALL NOT PAAAASSSSS.
What sort of train?
Needs one of the large freights that run in on the Main Trunk line to lose brakes and charge at 100 km/h through Kaiwharawhara and through the yards and into the stadium.
(Yes, I know what you meant... I'm just ignoring it)
What about space just north of Westpac Stadium where freight sheds are? Use space under seating to replace sheds and only a couple of little used rail lines to re-align. Access to seating from Westpac walkway and use exiting northern Westpac facilities for bars, toilets etc. A bit of an extra walk but a lot less than other alternatives (except maybe log farm).
Let's be honest though, there is no way the assorted nimby brigades would let any council spend money on another stadium in this region no matter how much it would benefit the region.
The only chance is Westpac destrution and insurance money so we better just get used to the using the white/yellow elephant.
Unless we (in conjunction with Rugby say) really did build our own ground, without the council's money.
Unless we (in conjunction with Rugby say) really did build our own ground, without the council's money.
Based on Crowd Trends, a 12,000 seat stadium will be seen as too extravagant for Rugby. They may be looking at using Martin Lucky Park to host Hurricanes games in a couple of years
Unless we (in conjunction with Rugby say) really did build our own ground, without the council's money.
Based on Crowd Trends, a 12,000 seat stadium will be seen as too extravagant for Rugby. They may be looking at using Martin Lucky Park to host Hurricanes games in a couple of years
Have you read the Seattle article Junior posted that kicked off this round of discussion?
The whole point of that article is that the the downward spiral in crowds was in a large part due to an inappropriate existing dual purpose stadium with no atmosphere. People didn't go BECAUSE of the vast cacophonous stadium where they were a long way from the pitch.
So they built a new ground, specifically designed for rectangle field sports, and they now bost the noisest NFL crowd in North America and boasted the highest home average crowd in the MLS.
So all along my point has been that the poor AND DECLINING crowds are a result of the round dual purpose atmosphere diluting cake tin stadium. And that therefore, with Rugby DESPERATE to arrest their alarming falling crowds they may very well be interested in cofunding a purpose built rectangular stadium.
It might take a bit of pitching to break their inertia, including cosy existing arrangements and relationships... but recent coverage has shown that it is not only us who are paying attention to Dale's graphs. Wellington Rugby are very concerned and conducting an internal review.
So I think the poor crowds at Wellington Rugby are exactly why they might want to invest in a solution.
Unless we (in conjunction with Rugby say) really did build our own ground, without the council's money.
Based on Crowd Trends, a 12,000 seat stadium will be seen as too extravagant for Rugby. They may be looking at using Martin Lucky Park to host Hurricanes games in a couple of years
Have you read the Seattle article Junior posted that kicked off this round of discussion?
The whole point of that article is that the the downward spiral in crowds was in a large part due to an inappropriate existing dual purpose stadium with no atmosphere. People didn't go BECAUSE of the vast caucophenous stadium where they were a long way from the pitch.
So they built a new ground, specifically designed for rectangle field sports, and they now bost the noisest NFL crowd in North America and boasted the highest home average crowd in the MLS.
So all along my point has been that the poor AND DECLINING crowds are a result of the round dual purpose atmosphere diluting cake tin stadium. And that therefore, with Rugby DESPERATE to arrest their alarming falling crowds they may very well be interested in cofunding a purpose built rectangular stadium.
It might take a bit of pitchign to break their inertia, including cosy existing arrangements and relationships... but recent coverage has shown that it is not only us who are paying attention to Dale's graphs. Wellington Rugby are very concerned and conducting an internal review.
So I think the poor crowds at Wellington Rugby are exactly why they might want to invest in a solution.
Sorry my comment was written with tongue firmly in cheek.
The vast stadia are, as you say, part of the reason for decline in crowd numbers, probably in about equal measure with team performances and results, as evidenced by ourselves.
The failure to progress the Petone Wreck proposal was due in part by the failure to get Rugby on board before the proposal was made public. If it had the backing of the WRFU a different outcome may have eventuated.
Are the WRFU desperate enough to spend between 50 and 100m to fund a stadium to be shared with "poofball"? Maybe a few years down the track once they have tried everything else including buying quality players, decent coaches, bouncy castles, fridge magnets and Lanyards
I don't think Wellington Rugby would have a problem with it.
We're sharing a ground now.
I think there's still reason to be at least slightly optimistic that an alternative stadium option might go ahead in the Hutt. We all saw how Welnix didn't really back the Petone Rec idea after first suggesting it, and I wonder if it's partly because they jumped the gun. They might have their own reasons for going off the idea - waiting for the license renewal for instance. It wouldn't surprise me if the Hutt Rec games are a proof of concept type of thing - both for Welnix and the Hutt Council, and even the FFA. We know there's details being hashed out in the license renewal talks and one of them may well be about a purpose built stadium. I'm sure the FFA would rather we played at a small, full ground rather than in the giant concrete cavern of the RoF. Better for tv and the image of the league as a whole to see full grounds with the crowds close to the action.
I've still got my fingers crossed that a very very localised earthquake will destroy Westpac and we need to build a new stadium on that site.
Hell, I'd even take a semi-permanent 12-15k stadium with roofs over the stands (just like the new Christchurch stadium) on the Westpac site if it happened. No need for it to be fancy at all, just needs to be a rectangle and 15k max.
Fact of the matter is that Westpac Stadium is the wrong stadium on the right site, and the proposed Petone stadium is the stadium that Wellington needs, it was just the wrong place for it.
I've still got my fingers crossed that a very very localised earthquake will destroy Westpac and we need to build a new stadium on that site.
Hell, I'd even take a semi-permanent 12-15k stadium with roofs over the stands (just like the new Christchurch stadium) on the Westpac site if it happened. No need for it to be fancy at all, just needs to be a rectangle and 15k max.
Fact of the matter is that Westpac Stadium is the wrong stadium on the right site, and the proposed Petone stadium is the stadium that Wellington needs, it was just the wrong place for it.
In mu humble opinion, Wellington needs both. There are times that the full capacity of the ROF is needed. WC playoffs, All Black tests etc. Interesting also that there is a very achieveable possibility that the four cricket world cup games there will be sold out if media reports are to be beleived
But we also need the 12-15k capacity for the various football codes etc to be used where projected crowds will be under that size. Not going to repeat the excellent points already made over the benefits of such a building.
Various theatre groups, both professional and amateur, have a choice of venues with varying capacities in Wellington. The smaller productions are not done at the Michael Fowler Centre with it three quarters empty. Why should the sports world not have the same choice of facility
I've still got my fingers crossed that a very very localised earthquake will destroy Westpac and we need to build a new stadium on that site.
Are you planning something?
Unless we (in conjunction with Rugby say) really did build our own ground, without the council's money.
Based on Crowd Trends, a 12,000 seat stadium will be seen as too extravagant for Rugby. They may be looking at using Martin Lucky Park to host Hurricanes games in a couple of years
Have you read the Seattle article Junior posted that kicked off this round of discussion?
The whole point of that article is that the the downward spiral in crowds was in a large part due to an inappropriate existing dual purpose stadium with no atmosphere. People didn't go BECAUSE of the vast cacophonous stadium where they were a long way from the pitch.
So they built a new ground, specifically designed for rectangle field sports, and they now bost the noisest NFL crowd in North America and boasted the highest home average crowd in the MLS.
So all along my point has been that the poor AND DECLINING crowds are a result of the round dual purpose atmosphere diluting cake tin stadium. And that therefore, with Rugby DESPERATE to arrest their alarming falling crowds they may very well be interested in cofunding a purpose built rectangular stadium.
It might take a bit of pitching to break their inertia, including cosy existing arrangements and relationships... but recent coverage has shown that it is not only us who are paying attention to Dale's graphs. Wellington Rugby are very concerned and conducting an internal review.
So I think the poor crowds at Wellington Rugby are exactly why they might want to invest in a solution.
Yes but that is in Seattle, America and it is about the NFL which is the richest sporting competition in the world. That just doesn't apply for Wellington.
Even at the Kingdome Seattle averaged seemed to average well over 50,000. Stadium size and shape are important factors but they aren't the only ones.
I've still got my fingers crossed that a very very localised earthquake will destroy Westpac and we need to build a new stadium on that site.
Are you planning something?
Pls keep it away from my house
I've still got my fingers crossed that a very very localised earthquake will destroy Westpac and we need to build a new stadium on that site.
Hell, I'd even take a semi-permanent 12-15k stadium with roofs over the stands (just like the new Christchurch stadium) on the Westpac site if it happened. No need for it to be fancy at all, just needs to be a rectangle and 15k max.
Fact of the matter is that Westpac Stadium is the wrong stadium on the right site, and the proposed Petone stadium is the stadium that Wellington needs, it was just the wrong place for it.
That would be a disaster for Wellington. No All Blacks tests, no sevens, no cricket, no AFL, no NRL games, the FFA would use it as a n excuse so we can't host a grand final, no serious All Whites games, no Football United, less Hurricanes games. What we needed was a 30k rectangular stadium.
I've still got my fingers crossed that a very very localised earthquake will destroy Westpac and we need to build a new stadium on that site.
Hell, I'd even take a semi-permanent 12-15k stadium with roofs over the stands (just like the new Christchurch stadium) on the Westpac site if it happened. No need for it to be fancy at all, just needs to be a rectangle and 15k max.
Fact of the matter is that Westpac Stadium is the wrong stadium on the right site, and the proposed Petone stadium is the stadium that Wellington needs, it was just the wrong place for it.
In mu humble opinion, Wellington needs both. There are times that the full capacity of the ROF is needed. WC playoffs, All Black tests etc. Interesting also that there is a very achieveable possibility that the four cricket world cup games there will be sold out if media reports are to be beleived
But we also need the 12-15k capacity for the various football codes etc to be used where projected crowds will be under that size. Not going to repeat the excellent points already made over the benefits of such a building.
Various theatre groups, both professional and amateur, have a choice of venues with varying capacities in Wellington. The smaller productions are not done at the Michael Fowler Centre with it three quarters empty. Why should the sports world not have the same choice of facility
Because it is at least 40 million dollars to build another stadium (at the very least). We just don't have that kind of money to throw around.
I've still got my fingers crossed that a very very localised earthquake will destroy Westpac and we need to build a new stadium on that site.
Hell, I'd even take a semi-permanent 12-15k stadium with roofs over the stands (just like the new Christchurch stadium) on the Westpac site if it happened. No need for it to be fancy at all, just needs to be a rectangle and 15k max.
Fact of the matter is that Westpac Stadium is the wrong stadium on the right site, and the proposed Petone stadium is the stadium that Wellington needs, it was just the wrong place for it.
That would be a disaster for Wellington. No All Blacks tests, no sevens, no cricket, no AFL, no NRL games, the FFA would use it as a n excuse so we can't host a grand final, no serious All Whites games, no Football United, less Hurricanes games. What we needed was a 30k rectangular stadium.
With a roof
I <3 Forsyth Barr so much.
VERY localised. The basin would still exist, localised. Just localised to a 300 square meter space in Thorndon.
Agree with Walsall Boy. If Westpac were destroyed (somehow) there is NO WAY that the council would allow the site to be taken by a 12 - 15K (or even 20K) stadium because doing so would mean Wellington would never get an All Blacks test, All Whites Qualification playoffs, Sevens etc. etc. It's just not something they can consider...
Unless we (in conjunction with Rugby say) really did build our own ground, without the council's money.
Based on Crowd Trends, a 12,000 seat stadium will be seen as too extravagant for Rugby. They may be looking at using Martin Lucky Park to host Hurricanes games in a couple of years
Have you read the Seattle article Junior posted that kicked off this round of discussion?
The whole point of that article is that the the downward spiral in crowds was in a large part due to an inappropriate existing dual purpose stadium with no atmosphere. People didn't go BECAUSE of the vast cacophonous stadium where they were a long way from the pitch.
So they built a new ground, specifically designed for rectangle field sports, and they now bost the noisest NFL crowd in North America and boasted the highest home average crowd in the MLS.
So all along my point has been that the poor AND DECLINING crowds are a result of the round dual purpose atmosphere diluting cake tin stadium. And that therefore, with Rugby DESPERATE to arrest their alarming falling crowds they may very well be interested in cofunding a purpose built rectangular stadium.
It might take a bit of pitching to break their inertia, including cosy existing arrangements and relationships... but recent coverage has shown that it is not only us who are paying attention to Dale's graphs. Wellington Rugby are very concerned and conducting an internal review.
So I think the poor crowds at Wellington Rugby are exactly why they might want to invest in a solution.
Yes but that is in Seattle, America and it is about the NFL which is the richest sporting competition in the world. That just doesn't apply for Wellington.
Even at the Kingdome Seattle averaged seemed to average well over 50,000. Stadium size and shape are important factors but they aren't the only ones.
Are you unable to read the article and extract the concepts and the drivers and lessons without every single variable having to be identical? Sigh - okay - no point even having a conversation then is there?
30k. Rectangle. 2 tiers. Each 15k, corporate space between them. For everythign but the big games only use the lower tier so the crowd is concentrated.
30k. Rectangle. 2 tiers. Each 15k, corporate space between them. For everythign but the big games only use the lower tier so the crowd is concentrated.
Yes. You are a genius.
It's been said before, it will be said again.
30k. Rectangle. 2 tiers. Each 15k, corporate space between them. For everythign but the big games only use the lower tier so the crowd is concentrated.
*Warning: Includes cowbell.
was there an estimated lifetime for Westpac when it was built? Can we expect it to get knocked down in 10 years or something?
Someone told me it's not particularly well built so every chance.
How big is Rugby League Park? Any chance of building there and doing a 3-way code share?
I <3 Forsyth Barr so much.
Shhhhh.... Do not say it so loud, you may be overheard in Dunedin.
Unless we (in conjunction with Rugby say) really did build our own ground, without the council's money.
Based on Crowd Trends, a 12,000 seat stadium will be seen as too extravagant for Rugby. They may be looking at using Martin Lucky Park to host Hurricanes games in a couple of years
Have you read the Seattle article Junior posted that kicked off this round of discussion?
The whole point of that article is that the the downward spiral in crowds was in a large part due to an inappropriate existing dual purpose stadium with no atmosphere. People didn't go BECAUSE of the vast cacophonous stadium where they were a long way from the pitch.
So they built a new ground, specifically designed for rectangle field sports, and they now bost the noisest NFL crowd in North America and boasted the highest home average crowd in the MLS.
So all along my point has been that the poor AND DECLINING crowds are a result of the round dual purpose atmosphere diluting cake tin stadium. And that therefore, with Rugby DESPERATE to arrest their alarming falling crowds they may very well be interested in cofunding a purpose built rectangular stadium.
It might take a bit of pitching to break their inertia, including cosy existing arrangements and relationships... but recent coverage has shown that it is not only us who are paying attention to Dale's graphs. Wellington Rugby are very concerned and conducting an internal review.
So I think the poor crowds at Wellington Rugby are exactly why they might want to invest in a solution.
Yes but that is in Seattle, America and it is about the NFL which is the richest sporting competition in the world. That just doesn't apply for Wellington.
Even at the Kingdome Seattle averaged seemed to average well over 50,000. Stadium size and shape are important factors but they aren't the only ones.
Are you unable to read the article and extract the concepts and the drivers and lessons without every single variable having to be identical? Sigh - okay - no point even having a conversation then is there?
Ahhhh... New Zealand. So few paying customers, so much passion.
No reason Welnix should not talk to Wellington Rugby, loosely. No harm done in exploring potential concepts.
Build it on Somes Island. Flaten it out build the 15K. The council can spend the money they spend each year saving our stupid flightless birds on building it. Ferry to and from the stadium and you cab park in both Eastbourne and Wellington. (Yes I am being stupid.)