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Angst please.

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over 13 years ago

peow wrote:

Edit: Woops wrong thread

 

Grrrrr!

Banstick for posting in wrong thread?

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"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago


"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago


Jeeeeeebus!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

Should the FFA be allowed to throw money away on a guy like Shinji Ono, where instead they could be spending it on the referees.

I remember Paul Ifill talking about how when he first came over here, the biggest thing that surprised him was the amateur referees  and once we sort them then I think we will have a bit more credibility

 

All the diving, contentious offsides, goals not given and bad penalty decisions could be solved in one swoop - allow the captain of each team to demand a video referee decision on any contentious decision. If a referee isn't sure then he makes the same call. You could allow each captain to make this call only three times per game so as not to take up too much time. This would solve all issues with bad calls - as is does with League. It's so obvious and simple it's mind boggling that Fifa is still stuck in the 19th Century and refuses to solve the issue of bad calls ruining games. This isn't about reason, this is about prejudice.


Said this to someone before,and they disagreed. But it would cause every goal to be contested. Any other decision is of no consequence (except maybe a red card decision). This would suck. So no thanks. 


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

I think video refs arent the answer, however I wonder if there could be a way linesmen could have a signal which means play on but there is a suspicion of offside. If a goal is scored during that sequence then they could video check to see if they are offside and reverse goal is necessary. 

This would promote the attacking side, and would only mean a stop in play if there is a goal scored - where there is already a break anyway


Again,you'd find linesmen would start flagging nearly everything for the video ref. this happens in other sports too,like the NRL. It's better to be safe than sorry from their point of view. So again,most goals we'd be waiting to go upstairs before we could celebrate an actual goal. 

It would take away the magic moment of the goal,much like DRS has somewhat dampened the magical moment of the last out of a cricket test match (batsmen go upstairs if they have one review remaining,because they may as well,and would be stupid not to). 


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over 13 years ago

It works in hockey, so it shouldn't be too hard to fit into football. Like Trueblue said each captain only gets 3 goes at it, or maybe 1 go in each half or something. I think in hockey you can ask multiple times as long as your challenge is correct, once you get one wrong that's it. I could be wrong on that last sentance.

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over 13 years ago

But why would you challenge anything other than a goal? You're hardly going to concede more than 3 goals,so every goal will be contested. It'd suck big time. 


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over 13 years ago

What about if a match review committee goes through each game and if anyone gets away with a dive or some other such penalisable-with-a-suspension offence the player gets cited and sent to a judiciary?  Or does this already happen and they just do a crap job of it? 

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It happens if it causes a wrongful red card.

Siggy got a red card. It was deemed as being wrongfully given, but couldnt be downgraded from a red to a yellow, so stayed as a red. This then meant that even though the red card was wrongfully given, they couldn't look at punishing the dive. 

Yeah, sounds like a crock of shit to me too.


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over 13 years ago

the problem with video refs is that there are plently of decisions where even after views through 27 cameras, all slowed down and enhanced, people are still divided about what the correct decision is.  Take a look at the Torres sending off last week.  Giving someone the power to make decisions after these numerous views will only lead to more conspiracy theorists with their "well one week he gave a decision against Team A, and the next week he gave a decision for Team B whcich was similar."  Currently, inconsistencies can be explained by the fact that referees have a near on impossible job.  Give them some assistance, and then there will be all manner of wailing and bullshit when the still inevitable inconsistencies arise.

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over 13 years ago


Well, I'm sufficiently angsty enough to start my weekend!

Cheers everybody!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago


Shut up CD

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

It happens if it causes a wrongful red card.

Siggy got a red card. It was deemed as being wrongfully given, but couldnt be downgraded from a red to a yellow, so stayed as a red. This then meant that even though the red card was wrongfully given, they couldn't look at punishing the dive. 

Yeah, sounds like a crock of shit to me too.

Exactly and the only way to save face and support the officials.  Gilletts summer holiday won't be in Wgtn

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over 13 years ago


or anywhere else in NZ

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 13 years ago


Maybe Jarrad Gillett and Chris Payne will holiday together...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago


Who will foul who?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Payne's hand will touch Gilletts balls before Payne is allowed to dive just outside the box after receiving a light touch on the arm from Gillett!

 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago


Qualify "after" as being more than 2 seconds later

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History


After = the point between being 2 paces in front of and clattering into Mark Paston's legs

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago

"Black and yellow" or whatever it's called is awful. 


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

"Black and yellow" or whatever it's called is awful. 


Term's obvious choice aside, "Holiday in Cambodia" (Dead Kennedys) would be good walk out music.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 13 years ago

Why don't we just stick with what we have always used, Carnival de Paris?


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over 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

I think video refs arent the answer, however I wonder if there could be a way linesmen could have a signal which means play on but there is a suspicion of offside. If a goal is scored during that sequence then they could video check to see if they are offside and reverse goal is necessary. 

This would promote the attacking side, and would only mean a stop in play if there is a goal scored - where there is already a break anyway

 

If ref, linesmen and 4th official are all miked up, there's no reason why a video "referee" couldn't be in there as well. The AR could just talk to the video guy.

 

Or the video ref could then call the on-field ref and tell him if a major decision is wrong. It wouldn't interfere with the flow of the game but would end those niggling little matters like Lampard's goal not being given by unsighted officals or Geronimo's hop skip and a jump and then dive as if poleaxed. It seems obvious and would save another two officals being needed behind the goals. I think any disruption to the game would be evened out because there's usually plenty of arguing over contentious decisions anyway which usually stops play.

For example in the case of a goal disallowed, red card or penalty the ref could simply call in the video ref to make sure his decision is correct if in doubt or the video ref could call him if its a bad call. Whenever decisions like this happen play is usually stopped anyway for arguing, marching orders etc. I'm not suggesting video refs for most decisions, only major contentious one. I remember there was huge resistence to technology in tennis but when it was introduced and largely ended contentious line calls everyone quickly accepted it.

It would however mean that Man U would lose at least one penalty decision a game at Old Trafford.

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over 13 years ago

Which version - Pet Shop Boys or Village People?


"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Jag wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

I think video refs arent the answer, however I wonder if there could be a way linesmen could have a signal which means play on but there is a suspicion of offside. If a goal is scored during that sequence then they could video check to see if they are offside and reverse goal is necessary. 

This would promote the attacking side, and would only mean a stop in play if there is a goal scored - where there is already a break anyway

 

If ref, linesmen and 4th official are all miked up, there's no reason why a video "referee" couldn't be in there as well. The AR could just talk to the video guy.

 

Or the video ref could then call the on-field ref and tell him if a major decision is wrong. It wouldn't interfere with the flow of the game but would end those niggling little matters like Lampard's goal not being given by unsighted officals or Geronimo's hop skip and a jump and then dive as if poleaxed. It seems obvious and would save another two officals being needed behind the goals. I think any disruption to the game would be evened out because there's usually plenty of arguing over contentious decisions anyway which usually stops play.

For example in the case of a goal disallowed, red card or penalty the ref could simply call in the video ref to make sure his decision is correct if in doubt or the video ref could call him if its a bad call. Whenever decisions like this happen play is usually stopped anyway for arguing, marching orders etc. I'm not suggesting video refs for most decisions, only major contentious one. I remember there was huge resistence to technology in tennis but when it was introduced and largely ended contentious line calls everyone quickly accepted it.

It would however mean that Man U would lose at least one penalty decision a game at Old Trafford.


Your comment re Old Trafford I will put down to ignorance.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Why don't we just stick with what we have always used, Carnival de Paris?


Swear we used to do both? 

Last game was that 'black and yellow' rubbish,followed by carnival de Paris. If it was phoenix city then carnival de Paris,that'd be ideal.


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over 13 years ago

In before the angst.

Can we get this thread stickied?

Fuck this stupid game

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over 13 years ago


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"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago

Bump?


"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 13 years ago

RACK SICKIE

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Steve-O wrote:

RACK SICKIE

Scarlett again?

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over 13 years ago

asmodeus_82 wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

RACK SICKIE

Scarlett again?

She's gone to bed now!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago

Not really feeling the angst tonight. We were played off the park, but we suck in Melbourne, and double suck against the Victory. I guess I had already written the game off before it started.

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over 13 years ago

sack ricky, the league has moved on and our same, predictable old school tactics aren't going to cut it if we want to progress.  Year on year our tactics have been shown (a) not to work against the big sides and (b) not to work in aussie.  We may have a couple of better players this year but how is it ever going to be any different without changing things?


I spoke to a current phoenix player last year who questioned what Ricki actually does coaching wise.  His view was that the players basically coached themselves.  We certainly looked like a side without a plan tonight.  All the talk about a great start is just that, talk.  We only played well against sydney who are a shower, and then for about 15 minutes in matches against Brisbane and 10 man heart.  Not good enough.


Plus, our off season signings (huysegems aside)  haven't done anything to improve our side.  We need a big performance against CCM

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over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

sack ricky, the league has moved on and our same, predictable old school tactics aren't going to cut it if we want to progress.  Year on year our tactics have been shown (a) not to work against the big sides and (b) not to work in aussie.  We may have a couple of better players this year but how is it ever going to be any different without changing things?

I spoke to a current phoenix player last year who questioned what Ricki actually does coaching wise.  His view was that the players basically coached themselves.  We certainly looked like a side without a plan tonight.  All the talk about a great start is just that, talk.  We only played well against sydney who are a shower, and then for about 15 minutes in matches against Brisbane and 10 man heart.  Not good enough.


Plus, our off season signings (huysegems aside)  haven't done anything to improve our side.  We need a big performance against CCM



who is the player?  First XI, bench warmer or squad player?

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