I just looked at the first goal again and it was atrocious defending. Sutton was marking Sakai but then drifted out wide. I think he pointed to Ishige to take over marking him but he didn't see/hear it and ran straight into no man's land with Sakai (their best player) left completely unmarked in our box. Our back 4 didn't do themselves any favours either having a clear view of it but all rooted to the floor instead of one of them pushing up.
The second goal was perhaps Josh's fault but I always think these set pieces sometimes just happen to fall to the right/wrong guy and in it goes - tough luck.
Overall we didn't quite match their physicality, our midfield struggled to impose themselves and a few defensive errors and chances missed cost us a point.
We're a good team but at the moment AFC are red hot favourites to win the comp. Which would suck massively, especially in their first year.
I just looked at the first goal again and it was atrocious defending. Sutton was marking Sakai but then drifted out wide. I think he pointed to Ishige to take over marking him but he didn't see/hear it and ran straight into no man's land with Sakai (their best player) left completely unmarked in our box. Our back 4 didn't do themselves any favours either having a clear view of it but all rooted to the floor instead of one of them pushing up.
The second goal was perhaps Josh's fault but I always think these set pieces sometimes just happen to fall to the right/wrong guy and in it goes - tough luck.
Overall we didn't quite match their physicality, our midfield struggled to impose themselves and a few defensive errors and chances missed cost us a point.
We're a good team but at the moment AFC are red hot favourites to win the comp. Which would suck massively, especially in their first year.
I can't see auck winning it thankfull The Melbourne teams and Sydney are strong this year and 2 of those have been juggling other comps so far. So will get even better.
I personally thought the Port taking their shirts off at 80mins was pure gold sharkhousery.
All the AFC love is a little roo much though. As I said to a mate. Until they finished their first season they're still nothing more than a fn novelty.
Only good thing about yesterday was i wasnt in Auckland to watch that live. Really disappointed with the result may have been easier to take if we had shown a bit more. But really cant see any signs of Chiefs pre season comments of it taking 5/6 games. Thought the defence looked shaky from the start and Auckland seemed to getting behind us rarely easily. WE seem unable to take control of a game and put teams to the sword. Honestly sick of looking like world beaters for just little flashes in a game its way past time they were able to sustain these flashes for longer periods. No good sounding great in sound bites if you and the team arnt delivering on the pitch. The first target on the to do list this season should have been DONT LOSE THE FKN Derbies in that its a decided failure. FK i hate losing to Auckland in anything AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGG
I had a lot of fun and will be going to the next derby in Auckland in Feb (which I thought was in welly but checked today and it's in Auckland). Playing 3cbs with Payne and sutton is the reason we lost, Sakai and de vries were able to get in behind and do a lot of damage. Wish we played 4 along the back and just loaded the middle a bit more.
Honestly thought we would change shape a little when verstraete got injured and take the game as for me he is their best player but we didn't and it cost us.
The annoying thing is that Chiefy talked about wanting to exert more control over games and do less of the sitting back and catching teams on the counter. He said that he played to his squad's strengths last year but this year he now has players that can better play the way he wants to play. But we are still the sit back and soak up pressure and try to hit teams on the break team.
And maybe that was excusable up until now when we have had significantly weakend squads most weeks. But apart from Rojas not being fit to play 90 we are at full strength and he still started with a back 5, despite us looking much better every time we have switched to a back 4 this season.
I'd like to see us play with a proper 4-3-3 to see how good we can actually be with our best side, Sheridan has been decent but deserves to be dropped for his tame scuff to Paulsen alone. Let's see Payne back at RB in a 4. I'd also like to see al-Taay get a chance in the midfield, to me it was crazy that Roa Conchie was playing ahead of him earlier in the season, and I don't think Retre & Nagasawa have been undroppable either. Mo deserves a proper chance after his season last year.
Copping abuse from cods in cars whilst waiting for a bus that's 15 minutes late.
What a time to be alive...
Yeh mate took his kids and sat nearish the Port and said it was distracting from the game just the abuse and foul mouthed stuff.
If your mate was wearing a Nix shirt and sitting near the Port, he should've expected some abuse. Respect for wearing it but that's the risk you take.
But he wasn’t. Didn’t even say he was a Nix fan, did I. Wasn’t that it was focused at him, just like they were chanting seagull the whole time, but instead of that it was just a whole bunch of swearing in the Fever’s direction…and he found that off putting.
I personally thought the Port taking their shirts off at 80mins was pure gold sharkhousery.
All the AFC love is a little roo much though. As I said to a mate. Until they finished their first season they're still nothing more than a fn novelty.
Agreed. I hated it so much for all the right reasons.
Frustrating watching the Nix and their long balls to 3 feet tall Kosta. Overall, defensively weak, scrappy midfield and punchless up front. Why not mix it up a bit with more emphasis on attack and some shots from distance. At least the Nix women are more exciting to watch even though they haven't won many games so far.
Cracking day. Shark result. Evans was awful. Fudge the port for shirts off at 80.
Yeah I thought The Port were saying before the season they were gonna bring something to football that NZ has never seen before - and now they are resorting to ripping off other teams' traditions?...
Think it was being ironic/taunting YF, rather than them actually adopting it
I don't think it ever actually was a back 5 yesterday, started as a 4-4-2, Oluwayemi; Sutton, Hughes, Wootton, Sheridan; Ishige, Rufer, Retre, Payne; Nagasawa, Barbarouses. Like I said earlier though Payne moving to striker was ridiculous but the attacking football and dominating possession was always something that I would have to see before I believe it.
Have to be careful we dont get to picky. Seagull chant has been over used plenty of times in zone and there has been plenty of occasions also where bad language has got out of hand in zone. Thing that i get pissed off with are all the comments by those who know better that whats happening in Auckland hasnt been seen in NZ before. Have those people not seen games in Wellington in the last 17 years its happened not only at Nix games but All Whites as well. Just like their sell out crowd with empty seats BS.
I don’t think we are a particularly bad side. Sure there is room for improvement but sporadically we were able to impose our play. There’s the problem…..we got dominated in midfield and struggled all over the park with AFC,s physicality. Our small quick guys were continually get monstered off the ball. You have to be very skillful and fast if you have nobody who can hold up the ball back to goal and lay it off to the runners. I really think in our squad we are two or three players short. We need an Old who can go past defenders. We need a bit more muscle in midfield to help out Rufer. But I am still optimistic for this season. We have the ability to beat many sides. The key for me is Rojas. If we can get him back to playing 80 minutes then he could play the creative Brimmer role. That’s what’s really missing. As for AFC they have quality all over the park. Watching the game live you can see how good a player Sakai is. Amazing movement and skill and football smarts. It’s a joy to watch top class players like him.
Cracking day. Shark result. Evans was awful. Fudge the port for shirts off at 80.
Yeah I thought The Port were saying before the season they were gonna bring something to football that NZ has never seen before - and now they are resorting to ripping off other teams' traditions?...
Think it was being ironic/taunting YF, rather than them actually adopting it
Is fan forum still a thing and who’s our rep? Super keen to know what can be done next time to stop AFC fans sitting in the away section, and other AFC fans coming into our area to provoke nix fans. What a load of shark that was.
Cracking day. Shark result. Evans was awful. Fudge the port for shirts off at 80.
Yeah I thought The Port were saying before the season they were gonna bring something to football that NZ has never seen before - and now they are resorting to ripping off other teams' traditions?...
Think it was being ironic/taunting YF, rather than them actually adopting it
Is fan forum still a thing and who’s our rep? Super keen to know what can be done next time to stop AFC fans sitting in the away section, and other AFC fans coming into our area to provoke nix fans. What a load of shark that was.
Yup the couple of afc fans sitting behind me celebrating Auckland goals and our misses is not the energy I'm looking for in the away bay, but then again I'm pretty precious when my team is losing.
Love Chiefy but he seems to have gotten a bit off track this week.
All that bravado before the game saying how they've been lucky and we know how to beat them, then the antics on the sideline and being a sore loser after the game, unfortunately it looks like this derby has really rattled our guys. Doesn't help when its 2 of your first 6 fixtures. Corica is unfortunately right that a bit of respect was due which we didn't show.
Thankful at least that we don't play them for a while - focus on ourselves and getting into a league position against the Aussie teams (whom we have 3 wins and 1 draw against so far). The derby games and whatever Auckland is doing doesn't need to define our season.
I don't necessarily blame the AFC fans sitting in the zone, they probably don't totally understand the etiquette/know any better. I myself bought fever zone tickets in October and at that point there was no need for a code to be entered or for there to be any proof of affiliation, they were open to the public, so a few could have easily made an honest mistake. I was actually pleasantly surprised that there seemed to be so few. It'll come with time that it is just not appropriate to sit in the away bay as an AFC fan at kiwi derby games, or at the very least to not wear their shirt there!
I personally thought the Port taking their shirts off at 80mins was pure gold sharkhousery.
All the AFC love is a little roo much though. As I said to a mate. Until they finished their first season they're still nothing more than a fn novelty.
Fudge me this was a painful loss. I won't be looking at this thread anymore now I don't think. Move on as I'm sure our boys are doing.
I trust that Chief will make any changes necessary. He has the biggest footballing brain amongst the ALeague coaches.
Only thing that will make up for these two losses this season is if we win and overtake them on the table in the last derby. Or, beat them in Auckland in the finals. Wishful thinking... one can dream I guess
Yes fan forum still is a thing. Pretty sure the Nix tried to talk to them about but it and the placement but they wernt interested. The mere fact they have shoved away fans where they have pretty much shows they dont give shark. The excuse of beimg a new club and not knowing any better dosnt work given who they have involved in the club.
Love Chiefy but he seems to have gotten a bit off track this week.
All that bravado before the game saying how they've been lucky and we know how to beat them, then the antics on the sideline and being a sore loser after the game, unfortunately it looks like this derby has really rattled our guys. Doesn't help when its 2 of your first 6 fixtures. Corica is unfortunately right that a bit of respect was due which we didn't show.
Thankful at least that we don't play them for a while - focus on ourselves and getting into a league position against the Aussie teams (whom we have 3 wins and 1 draw against so far). The derby games and whatever Auckland is doing doesn't need to define our season.
This sums up my take on the game as well. Chiefy is now wearing a bit of an egg on his face for talking AFC down before the game when he knows that we got badly done in the first derby already and have not necessarily improved since. A lot of people focused on the goals we lost, and the sitters we did not score. My own concern is with our midfield that simply could not compete against the opposition - they challenged for the ball quickly, we were hesitant, apart from some brilliant interplays that we managed to squander later. Considering our goal came on the counter with very little of midfield possession involved in the move, it shows the initial setup by Chiefy was probably the wrong one - but I am not an expert to suggest what it should have been instead. We got constantly dominated in the middle of the park and I can only say that Corica got it right (again) and we got it wrong (this time). Unlike some here, I am not prepared to bitch and moan saying what a lousy team we have this season. We only lost against AFC, so that is otherwise a pretty good start to the season. Our wins against Perth and CCM were good to watch. Chances are that AFC are actually going to go on a good run this season, which means we should stop being so self-critical. I'll be keen to see their away games, and especially how they go against Victory or Adelaide which would be a better indicator of their true form, and also of our own quality (by proxy).
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
I don’t think we are a particularly bad side. Sure there is room for improvement but sporadically we were able to impose our play. There’s the problem…..we got dominated in midfield and struggled all over the park with AFC,s physicality. Our small quick guys were continually get monstered off the ball. You have to be very skillful and fast if you have nobody who can hold up the ball back to goal and lay it off to the runners. I really think in our squad we are two or three players short. We need an Old who can go past defenders. We need a bit more muscle in midfield to help out Rufer. But I am still optimistic for this season. We have the ability to beat many sides. The key for me is Rojas. If we can get him back to playing 80 minutes then he could play the creative Brimmer role. That’s what’s really missing. As for AFC they have quality all over the park. Watching the game live you can see how good a player Sakai is. Amazing movement and skill and football smarts. It’s a joy to watch top class players like him.
I actually think AFC is pants up top. OGs being their top score proves this. They have arguably the best defence in the league and a solid MF which stops them conceding.
Had we scored first, I have a feeling the wheels would have fallen off and they would have lost (that would have also kept Piney quiet too with his constant gushing over their stats (thanks Kosta for putting that shark to bed)).
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I was really hoping for a win here so that the third game would be like a final for bragging rights.
I was pining for both sides to be top and Nix win that third game to be the top kiwi side of 24/25 but sadly AFC have pinched it already, or rather piss poor play at the back from us has lost it.
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Love Chiefy but he seems to have gotten a bit off track this week.
All that bravado before the game saying how they've been lucky and we know how to beat them, then the antics on the sideline and being a sore loser after the game, unfortunately it looks like this derby has really rattled our guys. Doesn't help when its 2 of your first 6 fixtures. Corica is unfortunately right that a bit of respect was due which we didn't show.
Thankful at least that we don't play them for a while - focus on ourselves and getting into a league position against the Aussie teams (whom we have 3 wins and 1 draw against so far). The derby games and whatever Auckland is doing doesn't need to define our season.
This sums up my take on the game as well. Chiefy is now wearing a bit of an egg on his face for talking AFC down before the game when he knows that we got badly done in the first derby already and have not necessarily improved since. A lot of people focused on the goals we lost, and the sitters we did not score. My own concern is with our midfield that simply could not compete against the opposition - they challenged for the ball quickly, we were hesitant, apart from some brilliant interplays that we managed to squander later. Considering our goal came on the counter with very little of midfield possession involved in the move, it shows the initial setup by Chiefy was probably the wrong one - but I am not an expert to suggest what it should have been instead. We got constantly dominated in the middle of the park and I can only say that Corica got it right (again) and we got it wrong (this time). Unlike some here, I am not prepared to bitch and moan saying what a lousy team we have this season. We only lost against AFC, so that is otherwise a pretty good start to the season. Our wins against Perth and CCM were good to watch. Chances are that AFC are actually going to go on a good run this season, which means we should stop being so self-critical. I'll be keen to see their away games, and especially how they go against Victory or Adelaide which would be a better indicator of their true form, and also of our own quality (by proxy).
Yep. I still think we are just a bad match up with AFC at the moment. Small vs big. Under-ready vs raring to go. Injury free vs disrupted by. Pretty sure we will improve. Not sure they will.
There is a reasonable chance AFC cops a loss and a draw in the next two. And a reasonable chance we pick up a couple of wins. No guarantees there, but that is quite possible.
Still early. Still dealing with the impact of injuries and limited time together due to the internationals pre-season. Keep backing your team guys.
The women showed today that they have overcome similar pre season and early game disruption, and a worse start. No reason the guys can't do the same.
Is fan forum still a thing and who’s our rep? Super keen to know what can be done next time to stop AFC fans sitting in the away section, and other AFC fans coming into our area to provoke nix fans. What a load of shark that was.
Both have done it. Few nix shirts in The Port and few in the reverse fixture wearing AKL shirts.
I don’t quite understand Chiefs rationale for calling the team he will be playing lucky.
It smacked of Dome but in his case he would only say it to fire things like a boxing promoter trying to get attendance figures up.
In Chiefs case there was nothing to gain at all but add motivation to the opposite team and their crowd.
A dumb move and perhaps shows his naivety as a coach.
But AFC have been lucky, sure they've done the winning on the field but what team in the aleague has ever had the starting schedule that AFC have had. 4 home games in their first 6 games, 1 away game in Australia, 1 in Wellington. If that's not luck then it's planned - if it's planned then every other team should be asking WTF? Corica is right, AFC will have the away games at the end of the season to deal with, but by then they will have gelled and built a team culture to get them through it. Imagine if they had gotten the reverse, 4 away games in the first 6 - Corica would be going off about how unlucky the fans are and its a tough way to start the season. Luck has had nothing to do with how they play They have been plenty lucky with their early season schedule and lack of injuries.
I don’t think we are a particularly bad side. Sure there is room for improvement but sporadically we were able to impose our play. There’s the problem…..we got dominated in midfield and struggled all over the park with AFC,s physicality. Our small quick guys were continually get monstered off the ball. You have to be very skillful and fast if you have nobody who can hold up the ball back to goal and lay it off to the runners. I really think in our squad we are two or three players short. We need an Old who can go past defenders. We need a bit more muscle in midfield to help out Rufer. But I am still optimistic for this season. We have the ability to beat many sides. The key for me is Rojas. If we can get him back to playing 80 minutes then he could play the creative Brimmer role. That’s what’s really missing. As for AFC they have quality all over the park. Watching the game live you can see how good a player Sakai is. Amazing movement and skill and football smarts. It’s a joy to watch top class players like him.
I actually think AFC is pants up top. OGs being their top score proves this. They have arguably the best defence in the league and a solid MF which stops them conceding.
Had we scored first, I have a feeling the wheels would have fallen off and they would have lost (that would have also kept Piney quiet too with his constant gushing over their stats (thanks Kosta for putting that shark to bed)).
Hey Hey not just Own Goal for top scorer, its tied with their left center back!
Dont buy into this luck nonsense.. sure playing away from home is harder then at home, but if they get results vs city (which is highly possible, City have not been good this season despite a big win vs roar) we will then ask for proof for them play away vs Victory who Nix beat and Sydney FC who are up and down? They will have to travel to Perth to play arguably the worst side in recent memory, and if they do beat them do we want them to play Pep's Barcelona? the 1995/96 Ajax side? the 1970 Brazil team to proof their worth? They're a very good side, with a good coach and have players with solid international expeirence like Sakai, well regarded A league players like Dan Hall & Jake Brimmer & players who have played in the top clubs of South America like May and Neydar Moreno who are used to travel long distances for games and face crowds and circumstances far more intense then A League. I think they will eventually have a form slump, but I cant see them not making top 3. The truth is, this league to do well you need pragmatism, a solid goalkeeper & back 4 and a good enough striker to score a few goals (Prijovic in Western United comes to mind), and that Moreno guy is a gem, if Nix had him we would all be delighted theprof
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I don’t quite understand Chiefs rationale for calling the team he will be playing lucky.
It smacked of Dome but in his case he would only say it to fire things like a boxing promoter trying to get attendance figures up.
In Chiefs case there was nothing to gain at all but add motivation to the opposite team and their crowd.
A dumb move and perhaps shows his naivety as a coach.
But AFC have been lucky, sure they've done the winning on the field but what team in the aleague has ever had the starting schedule that AFC have had. 4 home games in their first 6 games, 1 away game in Australia, 1 in Wellington. If that's not luck then it's planned - if it's planned then every other team should be asking WTF? Corica is right, AFC will have the away games at the end of the season to deal with, but by then they will have gelled and built a team culture to get them through it. Imagine if they had gotten the reverse, 4 away games in the first 6 - Corica would be going off about how unlucky the fans are and its a tough way to start the season. Luck has had nothing to do with how they play They have been plenty lucky with their early season schedule and lack of injuries.
Dont buy into this luck nonsense.. sure playing away from home is harder then at home, but if they get results vs city (which is highly possible, City have not been good this season despite a big win vs roar) we will then ask for proof for them play away vs Victory who Nix beat and Sydney FC who are up and down? They will have to travel to Perth to play arguably the worst side in recent memory, and if they do beat them do we want them to play Pep's Barcelona? the 1995/96 Ajax side? the 1970 Brazil team to proof their worth? They're a very good side, with a good coach and have players with solid international expeirence like Sakai, well regarded A league players like Dan Hall & Jake Brimmer & players who have played in the top clubs of South America like May and Neydar Moreno who are used to travel long distances for games and face crowds and circumstances far more intense then A League. I think they will eventually have a form slump, but I cant see them not making top 3 theprof
AucklandPhoenix
I don’t quite understand Chiefs rationale for calling the team he will be playing lucky.
It smacked of Dome but in his case he would only say it to fire things like a boxing promoter trying to get attendance figures up.
In Chiefs case there was nothing to gain at all but add motivation to the opposite team and their crowd.
A dumb move and perhaps shows his naivety as a coach.
But AFC have been lucky, sure they've done the winning on the field but what team in the aleague has ever had the starting schedule that AFC have had. 4 home games in their first 6 games, 1 away game in Australia, 1 in Wellington. If that's not luck then it's planned - if it's planned then every other team should be asking WTF? Corica is right, AFC will have the away games at the end of the season to deal with, but by then they will have gelled and built a team culture to get them through it. Imagine if they had gotten the reverse, 4 away games in the first 6 - Corica would be going off about how unlucky the fans are and its a tough way to start the season. Luck has had nothing to do with how they play They have been plenty lucky with their early season schedule and lack of injuries.
As I said, the luck part has nothing to do with their form or how they play each game. The luck part is all about their schedule, 5 out of 6 games in NZ. One trip to Australia when every other team has travelled multiple time. Cas and point, the first derby we came back from Perth and AFC came from Auckland. You can't deny the lack of trans-tasman travel has benefited AFC's build up. If that isnt lucky then I assume your calling it intentional?
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