No, I'm not complaining about something I saw up at Peka Peka beach, more the quality of our two Brazilian superstars.
Finally watched Daniel in a full 90 minute match on Friday for the first time in I don't know when, and realise why he doesn't get a start very often, he maybe of a decent skill level but has no pace, or concept of the quick fast football we seemed to be trying to play, every time he got the ball it slowed things right down as he dwindled on it and pondered what to do and then 8/10 lost possession. I don't question his desire to play for the Phoenix but doubt his heart is really in it.
I think Hearfield in 20 mins from an unfamiliar right back position showed more desire and heart for the cause that Daniel did for the entire game.
I know its early doors, but from what I have seen of Diego he is much the same mould as Daniel, but slower!!
Now I know we like the thought of these Brazilian skills in our team, but I think it is detrimental to the way that the nix want to play, and it is two places in our matchday squad that aren't being given to some of the upcoming younger players who need to be playing for the first team.
I know Daniel is a fan favourite, but are he and Diego now getting in the way of us progressing our own young kiwk players like Barborousas, Hearfield and the young lad we signed in the summer, and do they really add anything to the way the Nix play (or are trying to play) football??
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We should be playing however is going to get results, not kiwis for the sake of giving kiwis a go.
BTW Hearfield is Australian.
BTW Hearfield is Australian.
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We should be playing however is going to get results, not kiwis for the sake of giving kiwis a go.
BTW Hearfield is Australian.
BTW Hearfield is Australian.
Well so far playing Daniel and Diego isn;t exactly getting us results this term!
Not saying we should be playing kiwi's for the sake of it, just rather see us blood and produce our own than play middle of the road Brazilian journeymen.
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Daniel was one of the best players on the park on Friday night, wtf.
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Daniel was one of the best players on the park on Friday night, wtf.
Must have been a different park to the one I was at then, sure you were at the Westpac?? 
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well, ive just watched the highlights. First goal; Daniel collected the ball in our half, turned carried it and then pushed it in front of bertos to carry on down the right flank and deliver the cross for Ifill to score. Disallowed goal; again, Daniel was the player who carried the ball forward before releasing the pass to Ifill at just the right time and with just the right weight.
he does make mistakes and turn over possession but he also gives us balance and has the ability to carry the ball forward, make key passes and generally allows us more fluent transition from defence to attack. He did more than enough in my view to start again next week.
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well, ive just watched the highlights. First goal; Daniel collected the ball in our half, turned carried it and then pushed it in front of bertos to carry on down the right flank and deliver the cross for Ifill to score. Disallowed goal; again, Daniel was the player who carried the ball forward before releasing the pass to Ifill at just the right time and with just the right weight.
he does make mistakes and turn over possession but he also gives us balance and has the ability to carry the ball forward, make key passes and generally allows us more fluent transition from defence to attack. He did more than enough in my view to start again next week.
Fair enough! He frustrates me and a few times on Friday he slowed it right down when we should have kept it moving at pace, and runs into trouble more times than not and loses the ball.
IMHO I would rather see Barbarousos get a run in the team, or Hearfield who I feel adds much needed energy to our play.
Playing any 2 out of Daniel, Diego or Bertos leads to us losing a lot of possession, mind you I don't think the formation with the three playing behind Greenacre works very well at the moment anyway and would still rather see Ifill up front with Greenacre as the three behind him are still too slow to get forward in support.
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Daniel was one of the best players on the park on Friday night, wtf.
Must have been a different park to the one I was at then, sure you were at the Westpac??
He set up both our allowed and disallowed goals (from memory). He provided Tim Brown with the cross in the first 50seconds which Brown mucked up. He was one of the better players against Adelaide.
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Daniel was one of the best players on the park on Friday night, wtf.
Must have been a different park to the one I was at then, sure you were at the Westpac??
He set up both our allowed and disallowed goals (from memory). He provided Tim Brown with the cross in the first 50seconds which Brown mucked up. He was one of the better players against Adelaide.
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IMHO I would rather see Barbarousos get a run in the team, or Hearfield who I feel adds much needed energy to our play.
I keep hearing about how having costa in the team is somehow going to make such a big difference...based on what? If as most are saying that Rikki is a good coach and he hasnt seen fir to even put him on the bench what does that say? to me is says that Rikki cant afford to give games out players to assess what they can do. The A-league is moving onards and upwards and sentimentality just wont cut it at this level, teams have to win and if they dont they lose support which in turn loses revenue=no team at all. Like them or not the brazilians bring flair to an otherwise bog standars style of football. also Troy hearfield is an aussie
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IMHO I would rather see Barbarousos get a run in the team, or Hearfield who I feel adds much needed energy to our play.
I keep hearing about how having costa in the team is somehow going to make such a big difference...based on what? If as most are saying that Rikki is a good coach and he hasnt seen fir to even put him on the bench what does that say? to me is says that Rikki cant afford to give games out players to assess what they can do. The A-league is moving onards and upwards and sentimentality just wont cut it at this level, teams have to win and if they dont they lose support which in turn loses revenue=no team at all. Like them or not the brazilians bring flair to an otherwise bog standars style of football. also Troy hearfield is an aussie
But is this Brazilain flair (which I have yet to see from Diego!) going to win us games, on current form this season no not really!
Its about time we gave these younger players the chance to show that they can or can't make it at this level, instead of playing (and paying) for expensive Brazilians to turn it on once every so often...
There is no relegation from this league so less pressure on Ricki to actually give the young guys a chance to show what they can do, the way forward for the Nix and NZ football is to be able to blood our own young players and get the Wellington and NZ public more interested in the team.
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Irnbru, are you sure you aren't steve-o in disguise? To complain about Daniel's performance when it was pretty obvious to most that he was at least the second best player for us (reflected by the MOM poll incidentally) seems churlish to say the least. Also spurious stats like him losing possession "8/10 times" are plain wrong. In fact he lost possession no more than any of Brown, Lia and Bertos and helped spark numerous attacks, the very first of which should've resulted in a goal.
I'm not saying he was perfect but in an overall strong team display he was one of the strongest, and from where I was sitting looked to have plenty of heart. If he continues to play like that and improve his match fitness I have no doubt he is going to do opposing teams some damage.
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Daniel was one of our best players in season 1 and he had a good game on Friday as well. Yes he might not have the pace but he does give us balance and can be very dangerous on his day.
Diego on the other hand - well he can go home on the basis of his recent performances.
Diego on the other hand - well he can go home on the basis of his recent performances.
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Irnbru, are you sure you aren't steve-o in disguise? To complain about Daniel's performance when it was pretty obvious to most that he was at least the second best player for us (reflected by the MOM poll incidentally) seems churlish to say the least. Also spurious stats like him losing possession "8/10 times" are plain wrong. In fact he lost possession no more than any of Brown, Lia and Bertos and helped spark numerous attacks, the very first of which should've resulted in a goal.
I'm not saying he was perfect but in an overall strong team display he was one of the strongest, and from where I was sitting looked to have plenty of heart. If he continues to play like that and improve his match fitness I have no doubt he is going to do opposing teams some damage.
I didn't think it was that strong a team display, and certainly he wasn't better than Greenacre, Ifill, Lia, Lochhead, Durante, McKain, Hearfield IMHO, and while the 8/10 was a bit of a random I don;t think it was far off the mark based on what I was watching as he lost possession more often than not.
I dont think we are a good enough, or bascially solid enough team yet to be deploying Daniel as a luxury, not when we already have Bertos doing a similar role.
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30 seconds of Hearfield > Daniel ?
Hilarious.
Incidentally Diego is Brazilian like Caceras is Argentinian and Archie Thompson is kiwi. He lived nearly his whole life in the US, not Brazil
Hilarious.
Incidentally Diego is Brazilian like Caceras is Argentinian and Archie Thompson is kiwi. He lived nearly his whole life in the US, not Brazil
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[QUOTE=Baiter]30 seconds of Hearfield > Daniel ?
Hilarious.
Incidentally Diego is Brazilian like Caceras is Argentinian and Archie Thompson is kiwi. He lived nearly his whole life in the US, not Brazil
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Incidentally Diego is Brazilian like Caceras is Argentinian and Archie Thompson is kiwi. He lived nearly his whole life in the US, not Brazil
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Yup, thought Hearfield was impressive when he came on at RB and added a lot of impetus and energy to the team that had been lacking for most of that 2nd half.
But he was born in Brazil and is classed as Brazilian, does him living in America somehow make him any less rubbish this season?
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I don't question his desire to play for the Phoenix but doubt his heart is really in it.
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Totally disagree. That's all I have to say about that
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I don't question his desire to play for the Phoenix but doubt his heart is really in it.
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Totally disagree. That's all I have to say about that
Well its been a while since I've seen a professional footballer wimp out of so many 50/50 challenges in the one game... 
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Daniel was one of the best players on the park on Friday night, wtf.�
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Must have been a different park to the one I was at then, sure you were at the Westpac??
Must have been the Carpark
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I'm sorry, but what a crock.
We play Daniel to put in balls like the one Greenacre scored from the other week. We start a keeper and 6 players every week who's job it is to win 50/50 challenges. Do people say 'oh, that Cristiano Ronaldo, he's sh*t, never makes a challenge' ? No because it's not his job. He may be a money-hungry, diving, preening w**ker but Ronaldo's job is to be on the ball and pull out a bit of magic, not to win it by diving in studs up.
There are certainly flaws in Daniel's game, but that isn't something he should be judged on. He's a good quality attacking A-League player when his mind is on the job and it was on Friday night, and to assert that Hearfield who came on in the 83rd minute added more to the game is just ridiculous. By your measurements Leo must be sh*t as well, as diving in to a 50/50 challenge isn't exactly in his repetoire either.
We play Daniel to put in balls like the one Greenacre scored from the other week. We start a keeper and 6 players every week who's job it is to win 50/50 challenges. Do people say 'oh, that Cristiano Ronaldo, he's sh*t, never makes a challenge' ? No because it's not his job. He may be a money-hungry, diving, preening w**ker but Ronaldo's job is to be on the ball and pull out a bit of magic, not to win it by diving in studs up.
There are certainly flaws in Daniel's game, but that isn't something he should be judged on. He's a good quality attacking A-League player when his mind is on the job and it was on Friday night, and to assert that Hearfield who came on in the 83rd minute added more to the game is just ridiculous. By your measurements Leo must be sh*t as well, as diving in to a 50/50 challenge isn't exactly in his repetoire either.
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I'm sorry, but what a crock.
We play Daniel to put in balls like the one Greenacre scored from the other week. We start a keeper and 6 players every week who's job it is to win 50/50 challenges. Do people say 'oh, that Cristiano Ronaldo, he's sh*t, never makes a challenge' ? No because it's not his job. He may be a money-hungry, diving, preening w**ker but Ronaldo's job is to be on the ball and pull out a bit of magic, not to win it by diving in studs up.
There are certainly flaws in Daniel's game, but that isn't something he should be judged on. He's a good quality attacking A-League player when his mind is on the job and it was on Friday night, and to assert that Hearfield who came on in the 83rd minute added more to the game is just ridiculous. By your measurements Leo must be sh*t as well, as diving in to a 50/50 challenge isn't exactly in his repetoire either.
We play Daniel to put in balls like the one Greenacre scored from the other week. We start a keeper and 6 players every week who's job it is to win 50/50 challenges. Do people say 'oh, that Cristiano Ronaldo, he's sh*t, never makes a challenge' ? No because it's not his job. He may be a money-hungry, diving, preening w**ker but Ronaldo's job is to be on the ball and pull out a bit of magic, not to win it by diving in studs up.
There are certainly flaws in Daniel's game, but that isn't something he should be judged on. He's a good quality attacking A-League player when his mind is on the job and it was on Friday night, and to assert that Hearfield who came on in the 83rd minute added more to the game is just ridiculous. By your measurements Leo must be sh*t as well, as diving in to a 50/50 challenge isn't exactly in his repetoire either.
Hearfield attacking from right back was one of the main reasons we spent the last 10 mins actually back in attack, as opposed to the previous 35 mins of looking lost and aimless.
Ronaldo actually worked pretty hard for Man Utd considering he was such an attacking threat for them so I think your comparison is a bit off. Who said anything about diving in studs up, would have been happy for him to have actually made some effort in the 50 50 challenges he wimped out of on Friday.
His mind is hardly ever on the job though, at least with Leo you get a bit of the workrate that is needed from all of our players in the team when its not going his way.
Daniel has his moments but if we are serious about improving the team then he needs to step up his consistancy or be shipped out and get someone into the team who can put in a decent shift even when its not going their way.
And why shouldn't you judge players on their flaws?! These are the parts of the game they need to work on and improve, going back to Ronaldo, compare the player who arrived at Man U against the one who left, he worked on his game and improved to a level probably beyond what most folks expected.
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Yet another 12-year-old trolling these forums.
Daniel was in our top-3 players on Friday so I have no idea what you were watching.
Daniel was in our top-3 players on Friday so I have no idea what you were watching.
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Yet another 12-year-old trolling these forums.
Daniel was in our top-3 players on Friday so I have no idea what you were watching.
Daniel was in our top-3 players on Friday so I have no idea what you were watching.
Why thank you for your thoughts on the discussion I was trying to start, nice to have the opinion of an 11 year old added to the issues... 
Trying to post my opinion and get peoples thoughts on how I see things with Daniel and Diego and get accused of being a troll, nice, welcome to the forum...
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Daniel was that bad that after 41 seconds he sent over the first cross that nearly got us one up. I wish he wouldn't send over such great crosses, otherwise we might score!
Considering he played most of the game as a right midfielder not his customery left side.
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Daniel was that bad that after 41 seconds he sent over the first cross that nearly got us one up. I wish he wouldn't send over such great crosses, otherwise we might score!
Considering he played most of the game as a right midfielder not his customery left side.
So you saying its Ricki's fault he wasn't very good on Friday then
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True, it seems like other respondents and soley you, were at different games on Friday night.
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I was extermely impressed with Daniel on friday night. He was creative, beat players a couple of times in a highly entertaining manner, not to mention him faking out that Adelaide player who seemed to think that the ball had gone out for a corner. He also tracked back and fought for the balls he lost like a mongrel. Sure he'll duck out of 50-50 challenges, he's a tiny bloke!
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True, it seems like other respondents and soley you, were at different games on Friday night.
Maybe one of us had less beer than some my fellow posters on this thread on Friday night
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Daniel has been utter rubbish 90% of the time he has played for the Phoenix. That's why he finds it tricky to get a game, despite having a reasonable cross on him.
On Friday night he was a lot better I thought. Worth another go on that performance - but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back at his usual giving the ball away every time mode. And he's rediculously slow.
Diego was shocking against Sydney. Hopefully he is a better player than that. I think he'll get more chances at some point.
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Daniel has been utter rubbish 90% of the time he has played for the Phoenix. That's why he finds it tricky to get a game, despite having a reasonable cross on him.
On Friday night he was a lot better I thought. Worth another go on that performance - but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back at his usual giving the ball away every time mode. And he's rediculously slow.
Diego was shocking against Sydney. Hopefully he is a better player than that. I think he'll get more chances at some point.
Curious to know when our Argentinian will get a chance given he plays in the same position as Daniel, Diego and Leo...?
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Caceras is more Australian than Diego is American. Hope that gives you some idea of how un-Argentinian he is.
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Caceras is more Australian than Diego is American. Hope that gives you some idea of how un-Argentinian he is.
Ahh, so he's from Argentina, the small township 100kms North West of Brisbane...
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I think Daniel was one of the best players on the pitch. He even defended. I also believe that he did put heart into it, didnt you see him rarking up the crowd with his arms, making us yell?
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I think Daniel was one of the best players on the pitch. He even defended. I also believe that he did put heart into it, didnt you see him rarking up the crowd with his arms, making us yell?
Yes but he always does that! Wish he would concentrate on the game instead of worrying about what us poor supporters are up to...
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What a joke of a topic. Daniel put in a number of quality balls in the box and was our second best player on the park (behind Ifill of course). He looked to me as one of the most committed, even tackling, and is connecting again with lochhead. If Daniel keeps playing to that so called poor standard, i will be very happy.
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I think Daniel was one of the best players on the pitch. He even defended. I also believe that he did put heart into it, didnt you see him rarking up the crowd with his arms, making us yell?
Yes but he always does that! Wish he would concentrate on the game instead of worrying about what us poor supporters are up to...
I can think of a number of times where Daniel hasn't tracked back to defend or challenged for a header or what not. I'm sure most of us can.
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I think Daniel was one of the best players on the pitch. He even defended. I also believe that he did put heart into it, didnt you see him rarking up the crowd with his arms, making us yell?
Yes but he always does that! Wish he would concentrate on the game instead of worrying about what us poor supporters are up to...
If you have watched the games in the last two seasons, Daniel didnt often defend and pulled out of a number of tackles.
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Its about time we gave these younger players the chance to show that they can or can't make it at this level, instead of playing (and paying) for expensive Brazilians to turn it on once every so often...
There is no relegation from this league so less pressure on Ricki to actually give the young guys a chance to show what they can do, the way forward for the Nix and NZ football is to be able to blood our own young players and get the Wellington and NZ public more interested in the team.
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Hmmm..I think not...There is no chance whether there is relegation or not that the phoenix will keep blooding young Kiwi's even if we would all like to see that. The nix are a business and terry will not keep ploughing in money if the team are not winning as winning brings in the punters who then want to see players with skill and you may not like it but Daniel has skill and apart from Ifill was the next stand out player in the team
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