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Best player this season

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That's why threads like this are stoopid, how do you define the 'best' player? Guy with the best skills, or work rate, or effectiveness for the team, or the guy with biggest heart, etc?
The notion is very subjective, and therefore the answers are consequently very subjective, and then we start arguing over stupid things. Which in itself is stoopid.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
That's why threads like this are stoopid, how do you define the 'best' player? Guy with the best skills, or work rate, or effectiveness for the team, or the guy with biggest heart, etc?
The notion is very subjective, and therefore the answers are consequently very subjective, and then we start arguing over stupid things. Which in itself is stoopid.


um, you do realise this is the internet
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What is internet?
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

carry on
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It means the most valuable player the one we need most you muppet
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
benisgangsta wrote:
It means the most valuable player the one we need most you muppet


Thanks for the reminder, from the title of the thread i would never have guessed!


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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
benisgangsta wrote:
It means the most valuable player the one we need most you muppet


Well, that's what you should have put in the title then.

Simple, eh?
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We had this debate on the podcast. I think it was 3 votes for Sigmund and 1 (me) for Smeltz. Might be wrong about that.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
benisgangsta wrote:
It means the most valuable player the one we need most you muppet


Well, that's what you should have put in the title then.

Simple, eh?
 
I tend to think you need the keeper most, because they are the only ones that can use their hands. But, Im not convinced Paston is our "best" player - so I am still confused
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
simon_hampton wrote:
Sigmund for Most-Improved, Smeltz for best player.

So Siggy has taken a massive leap in ability during the last year? I dont think he has. He always had the ability, he's just applying it at a higher level.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Siggy is then just in form.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Coveny for mine. 

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Arsenal wrote:
Coveny for mine. 

I was gonna say the same, but Kwasnik's goal scoring record for us tipped it for me.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Coveny?

Kwasnik?

Pfftt.


Mulligan. Sensational player, great dancer, and sooo good looking too...I wish I was him...
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
None stack up to George but sadly we let him slip through our fingers. 

He was destined for big things.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If you look at the best player as the one you would most hate to be unavailable, then I'm sure it would have to be Smeltzy. Everyone else is replaceable (using our squad).

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:
If you look at the best player as the one you would most hate to be unavailable, then I'm sure it would have to be Smeltzy. Everyone else is replaceable (using our squad).


Which makes it all the more annoying that he is the one going..

a.haak

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Siggy, Bertos/Mckain and Smeltzy have all been good, respective of their positions. I would have to choose Ben Sigmund though, great from day 1.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It always ceases to amaze me.. how people latch onto the Keith Quin factor..
Keith used to imortilise one player for the All Blacks each game, whether they were playing well or not.. Jonah Lomu was one of his favourites.. liabilty without the ball..
 
Sigmund is a decent player, has done really well and impressed with the step up from NZFC to A-League. Is he the best player so far, probably not. His first touch lets him down at least a few times each game.
 
This is Sigmunds second go at this level after playing with the Kingz under Dugdale, think it was season four, I think he has also played in a State League in Australia.
 
We all love the battler...
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dino10 wrote:
It always ceases to amaze me.. how people latch onto the Keith Quin factor..
Keith used to imortilise one player for the All Blacks each game, whether they were playing well or not.. Jonah Lomu was one of his favourites.. liabilty without the ball..
 
Sigmund is a decent player, has done really well and impressed with the step up from NZFC to A-League. Is he the best player so far, probably not. His first touch lets him down at least a few times each game.
 
This is Sigmunds second go at this level after playing with the Kingz under Dugdale, think it was season four, I think he has also played in a State League in Australia.
 
We all love the battler...
 
What a strange post! I don't think anybody's suggesting that Siggy is the most skilful, most talented player in the team, or that he hasn't made a mistake all season. I haven't read posts from anyone who is blind to his limitations.
 
I'm going for Siggy because, in my opinion, he has been the most consistent performer so far. I'm also very impressed with his attitude so, from that perspective, yes I do love the battler.
 
Name me one player in the team whose first touch doesn't let them down at least a few times each game.
 
Not quite sure of the relevance of his previous stint with the Kingz or his State League career?
 
Who would your 'best player of the season so far' be then?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
That's why threads like this are stoopid, how do you define the 'best' player? Guy with the best skills, or work rate, or effectiveness for the team, or the guy with biggest heart, etc?
The notion is very subjective, and therefore the answers are consequently very subjective, and then we start arguing over stupid things. Which in itself is stoopid.


Well, that is very subjective.  Some people really enjoy arguing over stupid things.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
That's why threads like this are stoopid, how do you define the 'best' player? Guy with the best skills, or work rate, or effectiveness for the team, or the guy with biggest heart, etc?
The notion is very subjective, and therefore the answers are consequently very subjective, and then we start arguing over stupid things. Which in itself is stoopid.


Well, that is very subjective.  Some people really enjoy arguing over stupid things.


Batman would totally destroy Spiderman

a.haak

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To Jag,
 
I haven't got a huge amount of time to reply in full.
 
The comments re playing in the old NSL relate to people stating that he has done well making the step up from NZFC. My point is is he has already played at this level. Before anyone gets upset there was life before the A-League
 
The thread is Best Player this Season, on the field week in week out is he the Best player?, the comments re touch were to justify why I don't think he is.
 
If attitude is the criteria for the best player this season.. thats your call..
 
 
 
 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Now that you've explained, that's a fair call about the NSL.

Attutude isn't my criteria for deciding on the best player. It could be for the worst tho'.
 
As I explained earlier, consistency is what I'm basing my  decision on.  As has been said elsewhere, it's very difficult to define "best player". What constitutes 'best' is very subjective.  I happen to think Dodd and Sigmund have been our most consistent performers, week in week out, so far this season and, consequently, have been two of our best players.
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jag wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Cracking header on Friday night... 
 
 
       That's the funniest thing I've read on here since........the previous funniest thing I read on here.  Nice work, News.


the head isn't always located in the same place for everyone you know...


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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jag wrote:

Now that you've explained, that's a fair call about the NSL.

Attutude isn't my criteria for deciding on the best player. It could be for the worst tho'.
 
As I explained earlier, consistency is what I'm basing my  decision on.  As has been said elsewhere, it's very difficult to define "best player". What constitutes 'best' is very subjective.  I happen to think Dodd and Sigmund have been our most consistent performers, week in week out, so far this season and, consequently, have been two of our best players.
 


Agreed.

a.haak

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
That's why threads like this are stoopid, how do you define the 'best' player? Guy with the best skills, or work rate, or effectiveness for the team, or the guy with biggest heart, etc?
The notion is very subjective, and therefore the answers are consequently very subjective, and then we start arguing over stupid things. Which in itself is stoopid.


Well, that is very subjective.  Some people really enjoy arguing over stupid things.


Batman would totally destroy Spiderman
 
are we talking about dark night batman or batman from the tv shows? cos spiderman would totally destroy tv show batman
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nah, the REAL Batman vs. the REAL Spiderman. Jeez...
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stevo wrote:
Poll please.
 
mutha brutha
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What?
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Best player would have to be the one that week in week out makes the greatest contribution to the team winning. Smeltz with 10 goals would have to be right up there. But to me the ttransformation from early season losers to late season title contenders has come from guys like Super Leo...who has bought pace and verve to the attack and must be leading with the number of assists, MCCain moving to DM has given our midfield some backbone and Siggy has bought in that gutsy never say die attitude.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane wrote:
who has bought pace and verve to the attack and must be leading with the number of assists,.


How much did the pace and verve cost? Maybe we should buy some more.

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