Option 3 - game is played Wollongong. The January rule is for NZ citizens only, so Aussie teams aren't covered by it and Hipkins didn't give any (clear) indication that exceptions will be made for sports teams at this stage. Edit - Hipkins was talking about exceptions in terms of MIQ usage and not waiving isolation requirements for teams, although there was little follow up on that point from the journalists.Balbi
So there won't be MiQ from Jan 16th onwards for people coming from Aussie, but people have to iso at home for 7 days with three tests.
How does that make Jan 29th against Vuck work?
Option 1 - Game gets pushed back until the iso rule is lifted.
Option 2 - Nix get an exemption for Vuck to stay in a bubble in Wellington for the game, and our players have to do the same.
So there won't be MiQ from Jan 16th onwards for people coming from Aussie, but people have to iso at home for 7 days with three tests.
How does that make Jan 29th against Vuck work?
Option 1 - Game gets pushed back until the iso rule is lifted.
Option 2 - Nix get an exemption for Vuck to stay in a bubble in Wellington for the game, and our players have to do the same.
My guess is they will get some type of exemption. Approval dependent on Covid situation at the time in Victoria.
Or Nix/VUC may look at a postponement. Dovetails over Jan FIFA window when Hay would like to call up A League guys. But then they couldn’t enter NZ until mid Feb, entering from non Australia, so that kills that idea?
So there won't be MiQ from Jan 16th onwards for people coming from Aussie, but people have to iso at home for 7 days with three tests.
How does that make Jan 29th against Vuck work?
Option 1 - Game gets pushed back until the iso rule is lifted.
Option 2 - Nix get an exemption for Vuck to stay in a bubble in Wellington for the game, and our players have to do the same.
My guess is they will get some type of exemption. Approval dependent on Covid situation at the time in Victoria.
Or Nix/VUC may look at a postponement. Dovetails over Jan FIFA window when Hay would like to call up A League guys. But then they couldn’t enter NZ until mid Feb, so that kills that idea?
Big picture is Nix have home games in 2022!
Quite the opposite in fact, it's very much confirmation that there won't be Nix home games this season.
So there won't be MiQ from Jan 16th onwards for people coming from Aussie, but people have to iso at home for 7 days with three tests.
How does that make Jan 29th against Vuck work?
Option 1 - Game gets pushed back until the iso rule is lifted.
Option 2 - Nix get an exemption for Vuck to stay in a bubble in Wellington for the game, and our players have to do the same.
My guess is they will get some type of exemption. Approval dependent on Covid situation at the time in Victoria.
Or Nix/VUC may look at a postponement. Dovetails over Jan FIFA window when Hay would like to call up A League guys. But then they couldn’t enter NZ until mid Feb, so that kills that idea?
Big picture is Nix have home games in 2022!
Quite the opposite in fact, it's very much confirmation that there won't be Nix home games this season.
Yes I've misread it from Peru. Attracting visa players just got harder again.
Long shot a mini A League tourney in NZ, post April 30th? With say 4 teams, playing each other after 1 week's 'self isolation'. But you'd be asking 3 other teams to give up 1-2 home games, back in Aus.
Also could teams play 7 days after arrival ie day 8 in NZ (post 30th April), if in that 7 days they could train every day, in a sort of biosphere bubble?
I'd say there will be a huge amount of sympathy with Nix's situation, from many of the A League clubs, though yes Glory were reluctant to visit NZ earlier this year. But that all happened in a rush, with Glory having midweek games etc. If there is a way to somehow play games in NZ, post 30th April, planned well in advance other clubs would try help out. Trying to be a little positive.
So there won't be MiQ from Jan 16th onwards for people coming from Aussie, but people have to iso at home for 7 days with three tests.
How does that make Jan 29th against Vuck work?
Option 1 - Game gets pushed back until the iso rule is lifted.
Option 2 - Nix get an exemption for Vuck to stay in a bubble in Wellington for the game, and our players have to do the same.
My guess is they will get some type of exemption. Approval dependent on Covid situation at the time in Victoria.
Or Nix/VUC may look at a postponement. Dovetails over Jan FIFA window when Hay would like to call up A League guys. But then they couldn’t enter NZ until mid Feb, so that kills that idea?
Big picture is Nix have home games in 2022!
Quite the opposite in fact, it's very much confirmation that there won't be Nix home games this season.
Yes I've misread it from Peru. Attracting visa players just got harder again.
Long shot a mini A League tourney in NZ, post April 30th? With say 4 teams, playing each other after 1 week's 'self isolation'. But you'd be asking 3 other teams to give up 1-2 home games, back in Aus.
Also could teams play 7 days after arrival ie day 8 in NZ (post 30th April), if in that 7 days they could train every day, in a sort of biosphere bubble?
I'd say there will be a huge amount of sympathy with Nix's situation, from many of the A League clubs, though yes Glory were reluctant to visit NZ earlier this year. But that all happened in a rush, with Glory having midweek games etc. If there is a way to somehow play games in NZ, post 30th April, planned well in advance other clubs would try help out. Trying to be a little positive.
Rnd 26 is 29th April, so would need to get a home finals game.
[Edit: Can't even host a Finals game, there is still a 7 day self isolation then. I was confuzzled]
I tend to agree with El Grapadura. I don't see how there will be any home games as pencilled in for 29th January onwards. The exemption only applies to NZ citizens and permanent residents. The 7 day self isolation also makes it impossible or at least improbable.
I tend to agree with El Grapadura. I don't see how there will be any home games as pencilled in for 29th January onwards. The exemption only applies to NZ citizens and permanent residents. The 7 day self isolation also makes it impossible or at least improbable.
Sadly (esp in this instance) El Grap, ain't ever wrong about much.
These dates give tourist industry especially some time frames. But expect continous pressure on Govt to do away with the 7 day self isolation rule altogether.
Announcements wreck the dreams of the Welnix owners, of some 2nd half season bumper gates to ease the financial pain. Plus sucks hugely for fans, and the playing/coaching squad.
If they run the season November start next year it runs into the World Cup as well, there's a chance we don't get a home Nix game until very very late 2022.
If they run the season November start next year it runs into the World Cup as well, there's a chance we don't get a home Nix game until very very late 2022.
That’d be incredibly depressing. Not what I wanted to read this morning ☹️
I’ve been overseas out of NZ/Aus news loop somewhat last 7 weeks.
But I look at NSW and VIC Covid stats at the mo (quick glance) and see different sort of patterns for now. NSW decreasing cases, ICU bed use and deaths. VIC higher over all stats, incl what 4 Covid cases amongst the Breakers. That sort of development doesn’t help sports teams get exemptions.
Yet both states currently have pretty similar vaccine rate numbers. VIC a bit behind, and maybe is just a lag effect, and VIC will improve to be more like NSW. Really hope so
Total popns each state sort of comparable to NZ as a whole, though I understand on a % basis they have much better ICU capacity, which is no doubt part of the reason NZ Govt more cautious. You want your health system ready & resourced to cope.
NZ Govt will be watching these 2 states closely. 1-3 Covid deaths like an opened NSW okay, 19 in one day like VIC not okay.
Dec-Feb NZ & Aus case numbers likely crucial to any slim hope of Govt bringing April 30th date forward
Too early to say that without knowing how effective the existing vaccines will be with the new strain.
And they will already be working in the labs adjusting vaccine ‘mixes’ to combat new strain.
According to reports Pfizer say 100 days to 'tweak' their vaccine. Amazingly quick but not quick enough for what we're discussing here. So much for the "open up now" brigade. Anyway, fingers crossed.
Pre Covid the normal flu vaccines available each Aus/NZ autumn were always being tweaked, often almost 'last minute' I've been told, depending on what strains had appeared over the earlier NH flu season. So the science flows on.
But yeah lets get some info first on how effective the existing vaccines are likely to be against the new strain, before curling into a ball. Si, fingers crossed.
The new mRNA vaccines can be sequenced in hours to days, the hundred days are the trials they need to go through. Eventually the mRNA covid vaccine will be accredited so that they can update it without doing large trials, in which case that 100 days would be a matter of weeks.
If the UK and Europe are reimposing restrictions, it's a sure bet NZ will go over and above wherever they do.
Having dreamed of coming home for 12+ months now and seeing a faint glimmer of hope in February, I can see the govt knee jerking and moving the goal posts substantially, especially given a large part of the kiwi diaspora are based in the northern hemisphere.
There are many in NZ that will seemingly be happy to keep us out fearing this new strain, ignorant of the science, believing FB BS instead.
If the UK and Europe are reimposing restrictions, it's a sure bet NZ will go over and above wherever they do.
Having dreamed of coming home for 12+ months now and seeing a faint glimmer of hope in February, I can see the govt knee jerking and moving the goal posts substantially, especially given a large part of the kiwi diaspora are based in the northern hemisphere.
There are many in NZ that will seemingly be happy to keep us out fearing this new strain, ignorant of the science, believing FB BS instead.
I'm sorry you've not managed to get back, but to say the government have done anything knee jerk is being wilfully ignorant. You live in the UK, where science has actively been ignored, I know this as being from the UK myself and having lost someone to covid. There are frustrations, but the world isn't "back to normal". I didn't vote for this govt but glad they're in power as the "opposition" would have been completely incompetent. I can't wait for my folks to come over (hopefully in April), and I fully understand that we've had to wait. Others went too soon and have been ravaged.
If the UK and Europe are reimposing restrictions, it's a sure bet NZ will go over and above wherever they do.
Having dreamed of coming home for 12+ months now and seeing a faint glimmer of hope in February, I can see the govt knee jerking and moving the goal posts substantially, especially given a large part of the kiwi diaspora are based in the northern hemisphere.
There are many in NZ that will seemingly be happy to keep us out fearing this new strain, ignorant of the science, believing FB BS instead.
Seems like you're the ignorant one. NZ don't have the ICU infrastructure to support a medium or large amount of COVID cases.
If the UK and Europe are reimposing restrictions, it's a sure bet NZ will go over and above wherever they do.
Having dreamed of coming home for 12+ months now and seeing a faint glimmer of hope in February, I can see the govt knee jerking and moving the goal posts substantially, especially given a large part of the kiwi diaspora are based in the northern hemisphere.
There are many in NZ that will seemingly be happy to keep us out fearing this new strain, ignorant of the science, believing FB BS instead.
Seems like you're the ignorant one. NZ don't have the ICU infrastructure to support a medium or large amount of COVID cases.
Yipe lets just see how this develops before crawling into a ranting ball. The NZ Govt's no 1 priority is protecting the 5M people within it's walls, paying tax into the health system there. I'm saying that as a NZ citizen currently sitting in Peru.
Great news is that NZ & Aus are on track to be 90% plus double vaccinated (age eligible popns) by January. That ain't far away now, and would be a fantastic result over both countries and something we should be proud of. Setting up a far brighter future ahead hopefully.
Australia and New Zealand had been marked by more technocratic responses, and scientists had become high-profile figures or household names, often working in tandem with governments. That was “especially in the case of New Zealand, where the prime minister [Jacinda Ardern] and [director general of health] Ashley Bloomfield and others do cite scientists, and public health advice and regularly thank [scientists] and talk about our response being based on science.”
Australia and New Zealand had been marked by more technocratic responses, and scientists had become high-profile figures or household names, often working in tandem with governments. That was “especially in the case of New Zealand, where the prime minister [Jacinda Ardern] and [director general of health] Ashley Bloomfield and others do cite scientists, and public health advice and regularly thank [scientists] and talk about our response being based on science.”
Funny thing is that, as the recent document releases show, Bloomfield thought we could still get elimination at L3, a blunder which has caused about a dozen deaths and 5000 illnesses. That led to cognitive dissonance, because so many people had come to trust that nice Dr Bloomfield, about how it was the wicked government which must have ignored his advice...
Australia and New Zealand had been marked by more technocratic responses, and scientists had become high-profile figures or household names, often working in tandem with governments. That was “especially in the case of New Zealand, where the prime minister [Jacinda Ardern] and [director general of health] Ashley Bloomfield and others do cite scientists, and public health advice and regularly thank [scientists] and talk about our response being based on science.”
Funny thing is that, as the recent document releases show, Bloomfield thought we could still get elimination at L3, a blunder which has caused about a dozen deaths and 5000 illnesses. That led to cognitive dissonance, because so many people had come to trust that nice Dr Bloomfield, about how it was the wicked government which must have ignored his advice...
Experts can still get decisions wrong and advice can change as evidence emerges.
I don't know why anyone would think the Government made the call without Bloomfield, the press drilled them on that and both the government and Bloomfield said that it was under advice.
But, the government and experts should only be held accountable for negligence, not for making the wrong call based on evidence and advice.
Fingers crossed. Hopefully some kind of common sense can prevail. Travelling teams need to be fully vaxed and perhaps remain in some sort of "bio secure bubble" while they're in NZ. Maybe only allowed at the hotel and training/games thus limiting contact with general public?
Fingers crossed. Hopefully some kind of common sense can prevail. Travelling teams need to be fully vaxed and perhaps remain in some sort of "bio secure bubble" while they're in NZ. Maybe only allowed at the hotel and training/games thus limiting contact with general public?
I’m a sports fan so biased. But watching live sport brings a lot of enjoyment to much of the general public, and Covid is a general shark time for all. Sport can be a general mood lifter.
So why not some exemptions for vaccinated Aus teams to enter NZ, if can be proven to add minimal risk to NZ’s Covid situation and not bump anyone out of a MIQ room.
Hopefully something can be worked through over next few months bringing that 30th April date sort of forward. Appreciate the whole continued contract tracing quest is a barrier, but gotta be some sort of way I feel. Why can’t anyone arriving just be made to use the App like Kiwis do. Tracing apps are De rigueur in Aus as well
Fingers crossed. Hopefully some kind of common sense can prevail. Travelling teams need to be fully vaxed and perhaps remain in some sort of "bio secure bubble" while they're in NZ. Maybe only allowed at the hotel and training/games thus limiting contact with general public?
I’m a sports fan so biased. But watching live sport brings a lot of enjoyment to much of the general public, and Covid is a general shark time for all. Sport can be a general mood lifter.
So why not some exemptions for vaccinated Aus teams to enter NZ, if can be proven to add minimal risk to NZ’s Covid situation and not bump anyone out of a MIQ room.
Hopefully something can be worked through over next few months bringing that 30th April date sort of forward
Definitely what I’m hoping for. I know the govt came under fire for allocating MIQ to sports teams but I imagine they did that for that very reason. A bit of relief for what has been a horrendous couple of years. If I had to choose, I’d be ok with it only being “domestic” teams early doors if it brought that date forward. Obviously by that I mean Aussie teams included as we play domestic leagues with them. I really hope this fixture happens in welly.
heard Hipkins on the radio today, he said that he's pretty sure some kind of arrangement can be made, he and Robertson (sports minister) are in constant contact with sporting bodies in NZ and Aus so hopefully they can sort something out.
