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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

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load of bollocks JD
We were playing a team missing six players thru injury and suspension and struggling at second to last and your level of aspiration is that we don't concede? That was a bloody ordinary second half and we were the second best side in it.

Yep. We had our chances and didn't take them.

Very lame to be happy with not conceding in the second half.

The same attitude that will be happy with a brave effort to finish 7th.

Total lack of inspiration and expectation.

Come on, expect more from your team, not another .

Lack of inspiration from Ricki is very uninspiring.

Where theres Ifill theres hope.

I honestly would be happy with a brave effort to finish 7th. After all the sh*t the NZ football has dished up in the past, I see the Phoenix taking baby steps (last in first season, not last in second and third season, top 6 in fourth season, etc) as a tremendous success.

Sorry, but 7th place is NOT GOOD ENOUGH - even Seripisos has virtually said this! How much time does Ricki need to get a side into the play offs???? 4 years? You are surely having a laugh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

scoop wrote:

Who was in the dressing room and Heard Ricki say "Hey lets be real defensive this second half and play for a draw" Now i am just guessing, but i highly doubt Ricki would have said lest play for a draw.

I didn't think it was that bad. If Ifill had scored then everyone would be talking about a well deserved win.

Not me. Would have been happy with the 3 points no doubt, but still unhappy with the overall performance.

How about, for once, we actually beat a team fair and square instead of nicking these 2-1 wins every now and then? Just for a change?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ok, I disagree, but I think we've reached the end of the line on this on. I would ask though, if you're going t play 2 up front, which 2 do you play in central midfield. Because I think that is the dilemma the coaching staff are faced with.

In my view there is no two player combination that can get the job done

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

I think the problem is that we don't have the central midfield to play 2 up front, or at least that is the concern. We can't dominate there with only 2 in so we play an extra to try and gain some level of control

Yes, of course we can do better. But we didn't win a game until round 6 last year, we've recruited two quality players who are scoring goals, excuse me if I'm not kicking the ladder out just yet

I think we do have a strong enough midfield to either play a normal 4-4-2, or even a 3-5-2.

This 4-5-1 is boring, predicatable, and if it only gets us 1 win out of every 5 games, then it quite clearly does not work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I don't mean to be funny Steve-o, but is there anything that doesn't piss you off? "Killen is a c**t, Sky are w**kers, Ricki is sh*t as his job, the team never win comfortably".

Do you really miss your Irn Bru that much?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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Sorry mate but thats lame.

Does everyone in NZ now get a certificate for 'turning up'.

Are you happy with a certificate

If thats all you expect thats all you'll get.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So which two players then? Simple question

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

In my view there is no two player combination that can get the job done

We are already playing 2 in central midfield now though? Only they are too far back!

McKain and Brown SHOULD be able to do the job in there! McKain and Lia?

Hearfield McKain Brown Daniel

Ifill Greenacre

This would be my midfield and striking formation for the next game, fairly simple no? Greenacre is good, but he is far from a miracle worker, and he cannot do it alone up front. I can see this, as can most other, but Ricki can't for some reason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

auskiwi wrote:

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Sorry mate but thats lame.

Does everyone in NZ now get a certificate for 'turning up'.

Are you happy with a certificate

If thats all you expect thats all you'll get.

Maybe if I burnt effigies of the team and the coaching staff every time they didn't win a game they will perform better.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'll be disappointed if we don't finish in the top 6 this year. I don't think that sacking the manager at this stage is really going to help that though.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

james dean wrote:

In my view there is no two player combination that can get the job done

We are already playing 2 in central midfield now though? Only they are too far back!

McKain and Brown SHOULD be able to do the job in there! McKain and Lia?

Hearfield McKain Brown Daniel

Ifill Greenacre

you wouldn't pick Leo. Jesus Christ.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Frankie Mac wrote:

I don't mean to be funny Steve-o, but is there anything that doesn't piss you off? "Killen is a c**t, Sky are w**kers, Ricki is sh*t as his job, the team never win comfortably".

Do you really miss your Irn Bru that much?

Ok, Killen is a great guy who has been the top scorer in the SPL the last 2 years running, Sky's coverage of the A-League is second to none, and Ricki should probably be knighted for his 4 points from 15 games this season.

Is that better?

What colour is the sky in your world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

james dean wrote:

In my view there is no two player combination that can get the job done

We are already playing 2 in central midfield now though? Only they are too far back!

McKain and Brown SHOULD be able to do the job in there! McKain and Lia?

Hearfield McKain Brown Daniel

Ifill Greenacre

Having Mckain and Brown in the midfield would be too defensive.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

But we've played with mckain and brown centrally last year and it completely lacks creativity as bot are defensive players and can't pick out a pass, this is the point, those two together in midfield and the forwards are going to be just as isolated.

Is the no bertos thing a wind up?

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Frankie Mac wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

james dean wrote:

In my view there is no two player combination that can get the job done

We are already playing 2 in central midfield now though? Only they are too far back!

McKain and Brown SHOULD be able to do the job in there! McKain and Lia?

Hearfield McKain Brown Daniel

Ifill Greenacre

you wouldn't pick Leo. Jesus Christ.

Doh - I knew there was someone

Ok, how about put Bertos (who was poor tonight by the way) in place of Hearfield, and there you have it. What's wrong with that line up?

Ifill and Bertos could even be swapped if necessary.

The point I am trying to get at is Greenacre should not be played up front on his own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Frankie Mac wrote:

I don't mean to be funny Steve-o, but is there anything that doesn't piss you off? "Killen is a c**t, Sky are w**kers, Ricki is sh*t as his job, the team never win comfortably".

Do you really miss your Irn Bru that much?

Is that better?

What colour is the sky in your world?

I see a guy who left Hibs and went to a bigger club where he has struggled although has a great chance of a big season coming up, a television network who don't play sport that gets no ratings because they want to play other sport that gets better ratings, and a coach who is doing ok with an ok bunch of players.

The sky is grey today - I live in Manchester.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

Is the no bertos thing a wind up?

Mistake.

Ok, well how about Brown out, Diego in, or preferably give this Cacares a go?

Whatever way you want to play it, 2 up front is better than 1 up front.

Greenacre does not seem the type to play the lone striker role - he needs someone to play off.

In 5 games he's literally had 2 chances created that I can remember - he's scored them both - more creativity is needed urgently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

we played almost that exact lineup last year, except smeltz played up front basically with leo and hearfield played on the right. Problem is that there was no creativity, the midfield basically just passed forward and expected either the wide guys or the forwards to create something. That I believe is why diego was brough in, to play behind and allow us to play a more expansive game plan. I think by doing one thing, playing two up, you're only creating another problem further back.

That's why I don't think that playing two forwards will end up being any more attacking

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I agree more creativity is necessary, but I don't think playing 2 strikers is the answer, or the only answer

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Frankie Mac wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Frankie Mac wrote:

I don't mean to be funny Steve-o, but is there anything that doesn't piss you off? "Killen is a c**t, Sky are w**kers, Ricki is sh*t as his job, the team never win comfortably".

Do you really miss your Irn Bru that much?

Is that better?

What colour is the sky in your world?

The sky is grey today - I live in Manchester.

Is it any wonder that football doesn't get ratings when the stuff on offer is anything like tonight?

I see a half decent squad that is better than last year, doing not much better than last year, against a few teams that haven't even signed anyone since last year.

And I see a coach that has no idea about how to change a game when it's not going our way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Frankie Mac wrote:

auskiwi wrote:

[QUOTE=Frankie Mac

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Sorry mate but thats lame.

Does everyone in NZ now get a certificate for 'turning up'.

Are you happy with a certificate

If thats all you expect thats all you'll get.

Maybe if I burnt effigies of the team and the coaching staff every time they didn't win a game they will perform better.

Maybe.

But you shouldn't be happy with 7th, 7th is a fail.

Thats seems to be the problem, lack of inspiration.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

This has to be up there with the stupidest thread ever.

I mean ffs from what I saw we dominated 75 minutes of a match and were unable to finish.Gangsta!2009-09-05 00:33:38

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

I agree more creativity is necessary, but I don't think playing 2 strikers is the answer, or the only answer

Surely you agree he has to try something though? Nothing has changed since the first game!

Already we seem to be almost completely reliant on Ifill and Bertos to fashion every single chance.

We could even try Ifill in central midfield and maybe any one of Hearfield / Costa / Daniel / Bertos up front with Greenacre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Gangsta! wrote:

This has to be up there with the stupidest thread ever.

I mean ffs from what I saw we dominated 75 minutes of a match and were unable to finish.

Unable to finish what exactly?

The one chance for Brown and...?

Their keeper never made a single save.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Diego looks to be out of form at the moment (well I'm hoping he can play better...). I think Cacares will get a go pretty fast - will be interested to see him. Also keen to see Chen play. I don't think Greenacre is going to do much apart from stick in easy goals.

I wouldn't call Bertos poor tonight, but he didn't do all that much in the second half. That may or may not have been his fault. I was dismayed at him getting subbed... Along with Ifill, he's our best creative player.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

This thread is crap.

If Brown had got the header in you'd be applauding Ricki 100%.

I wouldn't say we rely on Bertos or ifill, just they seem to be our stars. Everyone winning team in the world has one or two that shine better than the others.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

That's why I don't think that playing two forwards will end up being any more attacking

I can't see why the same line-up but with Bertos wide and Ifill playing behind Greenacre as an attacking midfielder wouldn't work. Ifill can hold possession, beat players, lay off passes and has the shot for in front of goal, gives a target for Brown and Lia and can be in the box with Greenache when Daniel/Leo/Locky et al get wide and look for the cross. Is there something fundamentally wrong with this that Ricki has not tried it? It seems more sense to me than putting Bertos central.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

Well, I've already said previously that I'm not entirely convinced Diego will ever be IN form, but we shall see.

Bertos was poor, based on the standards he's set this season, but it's hard to grudge the guy having one off night, particularly when the tactics seem to be for the rest of the team to give the ball to him or Ifill and expect them to magically create something.

I hope Cacares can provide a creative spark, but I'm worried he's just going to be another passenger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Michael wrote:

Your statement is crap.

Saying 'if we scored this chance', and 'if we did this / that / the other' is not helpful - we didn't, and here we are with 2 points dropped at home against a majorly depleted side.

Tim Brown had 2 chances - big wows. There were ZERO other chances created.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think starting daniel is a positive step. I'm also interested in caceres, but I'm not pinning all of my hopes on him. But I certaily don't think that suddenly playing Ifil up front will solve all of our problems, I think that's really simplistic

The other thing is Ifil is doing well where he is. Do we want to change that?

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Gangsta! wrote:

This has to be up there with the stupidest thread ever. I mean ffs from what I saw we dominated 75 minutes of a match and were unable to finish.

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Unable to finish what exactly?

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The one chance for Brown and...?

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Their keeper never made a single save.

Off the top of my head I saw Lia drive a shot just wide, there were multiple times when we had the ball in the box but didn't pull the trigger when we should have. Also saw us score a frigin goal which was disallowed when it should have stood.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Gangsta! wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Gangsta! wrote:

This has to be up there with the stupidest thread ever. I mean ffs from what I saw we dominated 75 minutes of a match and were unable to finish.

Unable to finish what exactly?

The one chance for Brown and...?

Their keeper never made a single save.

Offside goal is fair enough - shocking decision.

Did we create enough chances to deserve to win though? Not for me.

A Shot wide and shots we didn't actually have don't cut it for me, I'm sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Michael wrote:

Your statement is crap.

Saying 'if we scored this chance', and 'if we did this / that / the other' is not helpful - we didn't, and here we are with 2 points dropped at home against a majorly depleted side.

Tim Brown had 2 chances - big wows. There were ZERO other chances created.

As I stated earlier, we had over 15 shots - just because they were not on target doesn't mean that they were not well created chances.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
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Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

The other thing is Ifil is doing well where he is. Do we want to change that?

I have suggested a few other alternatives also though.

Whatever we think about who should be played where, the current formation is not working. 5 points out of 15 is the evidence that it is not working, and for those saying we only won a game after 6 rounds last season, we're only a game away from equalling that dismal record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Michael wrote:

This thread is crap. If Brown had got the header in you'd be applauding Ricki 100%. I wouldn't say we rely on Bertos or ifill, just they seem to be our stars. Everyone winning team in the world has one or two that shine better than the others.

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Your statement is crap.

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Saying 'if we scored this chance', and 'if we did this / that / the other' is not helpful - we didn't, and here we are with 2 points dropped at home against a majorly depleted side.

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Tim Brown had 2 chances - big wows. There were ZERO other chances created.

Perhaps supporting Chelsea will bring you instant success with every managerial change? (Had to say it)

Seriously though, we dominated most of the game, we were very attack minded against our "dud" team. Not to mention, their only quality chance was a fairly soft corner. Perhaps we better play even more negative to stop this kind of thing?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

just checked the official site - 18 attempts at goal.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Frankie Mac wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Michael wrote:

Your statement is crap.

Saying 'if we scored this chance', and 'if we did this / that / the other' is not helpful - we didn't, and here we are with 2 points dropped at home against a majorly depleted side.

Tim Brown had 2 chances - big wows. There were ZERO other chances created.

As I stated earlier, we had over 15 shots - just because they were not on target doesn't mean that they were not well created chances.

I find it hard to believe that we had 15 shots to be honest - I can remember about 5 including the goal and the offside goal?

1 out of 15 on target isn't the best either is it?

I'd also be inclined to pretend Bertos's free kick attempts never actually happened too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Gangsta! wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Gangsta! wrote:

This has to be up there with the stupidest thread ever. I mean ffs from what I saw we dominated 75 minutes of a match and were unable to finish.

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Unable to finish what exactly?

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The one chance for Brown and...?

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Their keeper never made a single save.

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Offside goal is fair enough - shocking decision.

And if that offside decision wasn't given then this thread wouldn't exist.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Michael wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Michael wrote:

This thread is crap. If Brown had got the header in you'd be applauding Ricki 100%. I wouldn't say we rely on Bertos or ifill, just they seem to be our stars. Everyone winning team in the world has one or two that shine better than the others.

Your statement is crap.

Saying 'if we scored this chance', and 'if we did this / that / the other' is not helpful - we didn't, and here we are with 2 points dropped at home against a majorly depleted side.

Tim Brown had 2 chances - big wows. There were ZERO other chances created.

If you think that was "very attack minded" I'd hate to see what defensive teams are like in your eyes - 11 men on the goaline maybe?

They scored from one corner, had a mass scramble from another, and hit the post in the 2nd half so they had more chances than you state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Gangsta! wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Gangsta! wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Gangsta! wrote:

This has to be up there with the stupidest thread ever. I mean ffs from what I saw we dominated 75 minutes of a match and were unable to finish.

Unable to finish what exactly?

The one chance for Brown and...?

Their keeper never made a single save.

Offside goal is fair enough - shocking decision.

And if that offside decision wasn't given then this thread wouldn't exist.

Perhaps not - but negative comments re: the performance and Herbert would still exist on the match thread.

As I said before, that goal would've papered over the cracks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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