Wellington Phoenix Men

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion, why the f**k would you organise an end of season trip to Blenheim?

Our team had been going for years, 10-20? (maybe more).
It wasn't too bad, ferry trip = booze and poker, good golf, vineyards and cheap drinks at the combined clubs of Marlborough (RSA and Working Mans). Worst thing about the trip was coming last in the tourny and getting the wooden spoon (really an oar) and having to carry it through the club doing the walk of shame.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
Dougie Rydal wrote:
say for example Gold Coast takes their home game to Ch-Ch, their crowds go from around 2k to maybe around 15k.


Simpler - GCU move to Christchurch altogether.


To be called Cold Coast
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Scottishbhoy wrote:
ballane wrote:

Footpaul wrote:

ballane wrote:

Therk wrote:
2 games Chch 1 game Auckland
= cancelled membership.
Memberships will just cost a tad less. Considering attendances at RoF this season another couple of away home games makes sense if the team wants to be financially viable. Doesn't Terry need a 10k average for the team to make money? The average this season is no where near that. A couple of 15-20k games in Chch and Auckland would help. Wellingtonians should prefer two or three less games than no games at all.
Not sure where you get the idea no games at all.Terry has made it very clear he is in it to stay,he has also stated that he expects to be making a loss so not sure why games have to be taken away.Selfish you bloody bet and i make no apologies for it.Last time i looked it said Wellington Phoenix.Maybe if Terry said he needed to take them away okay but at NO stage has he said that.�


I agree with what you're saying. Are you fine with one game being taken away?

Out of interest.. what crowd number does Terry need to break even @ a game?


7.5k he said when he was in the sh*tter!
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It was 10k, wasn't it?

a.haak

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've heard 8k before so 7.5 is probably correct or closer to it.

Fuck this stupid game

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I still think 3 is a good number.

Every season have 1 game in Chch, 1 Auckland (only if proven, i.e. crowd above 10k) and one rotating going through smaller places like Hamilton, Dunedin etc

This would not only provide a much needed cash infusion for Terry but develop the fanbase throughout New Zealand giving a small boost to normal Welly games and a massive boost for any important/finals games as people through NZ would flock to Wellington. Wellington based fans may argue and threaten to cancel their membership and whatever but if Terry doesn't get some help you won't have anything to cancel. Therk2010-12-08 22:31:55
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Therk wrote:
  but if Terry doesn't get some help you won't have anything to cancel.
Have never seen Terry say anywhere that there is a danger this may happen.He has and is still maintaining that he is in it for the long haul.This is despite his obvious cash flow problems at present.More than happy for the game in Christchurch to maintain its place in Wellington Phoenix's schedule but dont agree with taking any more away.As for finals think we showed last year that crowd numbers will can be high without the need for more home/away games.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ballane wrote:
Therk wrote:
  but if Terry doesn't get some help you won't have anything to cancel.
Have never seen Terry say anywhere that there is a danger this may happen.He has and is still maintaining that he is in it for the long haul.This is despite his obvious cash flow problems at present.More than happy for the game in Christchurch to maintain its place in Wellington Phoenix's schedule but dont agree with taking any more away.As for finals think we showed last year that crowd numbers will can be high without the need for more home/away games.

Like any person one may love something but if they can't afford it, they simply can't afford it. I think many are forgetting that Terry is no Clive Palmer and his financial situation has been getting only worse and worse - hasn't his net worth decreased by something like 30% over the last year or so? My point is, if you want to keep something good be prepared to make some sacrifices.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ballane wrote:
Therk wrote:
  but if Terry doesn't get some help you won't have anything to cancel.
Have never seen Terry say anywhere that there is a danger this may happen.He has and is still maintaining that he is in it for the long haul.This is despite his obvious cash flow problems at present.More than happy for the game in Christchurch to maintain its place in Wellington Phoenix's schedule but dont agree with taking any more away.As for finals think we showed last year that crowd numbers will can be high without the need for more home/away games.


Sure he says that, but as long as he continues to lose a million dollars each year, and have, let's call them, cash flow problems, the prospect of him walking away surely is a possible reality and the extra money the comes from home games away from home will be enticing to him and the team. I don't think that is an unfair assumption. Just because he doesn't say it doesn't mean he won't move on. I know his motives for owning the Phoenix are not financial, but it is unrealistic to think he will be happy to lose massive amounts of money on the team, especially when a game or three out of Wellington could relieve the pressure on funds.

I know I'm not a Wellingtonian but I appreciate where you are coming from. I agree it should not become the New Zealand Phoenix and the Wellington culture behind the team is part of what makes them great. But while crowds are less than impressive in Wellington and in this economic climate, it would be stupid not to see two or three home games on the road next season.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yes i understand that but he is adamant that they are in no danger.That may not be the case but we can only believe what we are told by him.

Would be interesting to find out how many actually purchased their tickets for the game,becuse their were plenty of freebies floating around for it.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ballane wrote:
Yes i understand that but he is adamant that they are in no danger.That may not be the case but we can only believe what we are told by him.

Would be interesting to find out how many actually purchased their tickets for the game,becuse their were plenty of freebies floating around for it.


What is he going to say? HOLY sh*t I HAVE NO MONEY AND THE NIX IS LOSING ME 1.5M EVERY SEASON, SOMEONE BUY A SHARE PLZ?
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Therk wrote:
ballane wrote:
Yes i understand that but he is adamant that they are in no danger.That may not be the case but we can only believe what we are told by him.

Would be interesting to find out how many actually purchased their tickets for the game,becuse their were plenty of freebies floating around for it.


What is he going to say? HOLY sh*t I HAVE NO MONEY AND THE NIX IS LOSING ME 1.5M EVERY SEASON, SOMEONE BUY A SHARE PLZ?
No need to shout.I was just wondering thats all.From what Terry has said no one has been banging down the door to put any money in and i doubt they would.End of the day when your talking the money he is every season are an extra 2 games away going to make that much impact on what its costing him.I think not.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it's not about additional cost or revenue, for me it's all about having a team based in Wellingtonplaying in wellington - if we were the NZ Phoenix then you can argue the team should be playing around NZ. The team is not an NZ franchise, it's owned by a wellingtonian therefore home games should be played here - primary reason the chch game happened this year is cos the stadium was booked for Con Jovi - wel done chch for giving us another win.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
primary reason the chch game happened this year is cos the stadium was booked for Con Jovi - wel done chch for giving us another win.


The Christchurch match was scheduled BEFORE Bon Jovi was booked. Remember the fixture switch - Nix v. Newcastle was to be played there instead of Adelaide, but the two were swapped due to the concert.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
it's not about additional cost or revenue, for me it's all about having a team based in Wellingtonplaying in wellington - if we were the NZ Phoenix then you can argue the team should be playing around NZ. The team is not an NZ franchise, it's owned by a wellingtonian therefore home games should be played here - primary reason the chch game happened this year is cos the stadium was booked for Con Jovi - wel done chch for giving us another win.

Once again you miss the point that because Wellington has the only A-League franchise in the entire country, that it receives a lot of out-of-region support and I am pretty confident from my dealings with the club that they value that support highly. It has both monetary and intangible value to the club.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
crackndeuces wrote:
Make hay while the sun shines, now is the time to push nz football not just wellington football.
 
Play 3 home games away next season, one each to chch, auck, ham or dun(new stad). But the last 2 games would be wed night games (not such a big loss to wellington as they only get 4k). Especially considering the financial position atm.
Getting a gold coast game must also be an option they got 1.6k tonight vs mel heart. Auck or Ham should approach them.
 


This. Clever idea about mid-week games

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ahmad wrote:
theprof wrote:
it's not about additional cost or revenue, for me it's all about having a team based in Wellingtonplaying in wellington - if we were the NZ Phoenix then you can argue the team should be playing around NZ. The team is not an NZ franchise, it's owned by a wellingtonian therefore home games should be played here - primary reason the chch game happened this year is cos the stadium was booked for Con Jovi - wel done chch for giving us another win.

Once again you miss the point that because Wellington has the only A-League franchise in the entire country, that it receives a lot of out-of-region support and I am pretty confident from my dealings with the club that they value that support highly. It has both monetary and intangible value to the club.
 
trouble is the more games that you play out of wellington the less it becomes Wellington Phoenix...plus  what will moving more games out of Wellington do to the sales of season tickets as not everyone who gets  season ticket will have the funds to travel around the country to watch games

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To be honest, and as a season ticket holder, i wouldnt mind if up to 3 games went nationwide.

1. more money for the club
2. more fans of the club
3. another good reason to travel

1 or 2 in Chch and another 'touring' fixture around smaller cities would be ok by me. Probably not ok by a lot of members though.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
still think more than one home game played out of weelington is a bad idea.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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