Contracted Players - Return of the Long Pins

Not to mention that they were there for the club in some of the lowest points in it's history. It really does strike me as odd, I don't want to jump to the same conclusions as Daloras has but secretly I agree with her.

Hope the O's win the FA Trophy in the quarter finals vs Gateshead.

Coach Richard Money.

AIG - All blacks
Ford-All blacks
Steinlager -AllBlacks
Any ALF team - Any ALF sponsor
Any NRL team - Any NRL sponsor
Any Australian Cricket team sponsor
Any BBL team Any Bbl sponsor.

I would go for Australasian football but any sports sponsorship ?????? 

Yeah, I assume he meant Australian football history - and on that, he would likely be absolutely correct.

I was shocked we got Huawei when we did, and I am shocked they are still sponsoring us considering how we have performed.

What's more, apparently the sony deal that it replaced was really bad terms for the Nix.

Pretty sure the Sony deal was almost all product. But at that stage we had Terry spending other people's money so he probably didn't care.

'REPORTEDLY'

It was reported at the time that this sponsorship was one of the biggest in Australasian sports history

And here I am repeating what was reported. Not my research, not my knowledge, but what was reported. Ok?

Personally, I think it's likely to be at or near the top of all footy/soccerball sponsorships, I also don't think that was what was reported was beyond the realms of possibility

Something reported has more truth to it than xenophobic related imaginings.

Here's my narrative: I think we should appreciate that sponsorship we have and give credit to those responsible

Does mentioning that the sponsorship was reported to be massive suit my narrative? Yes it does.

Did I perpetuate a myth? I've stated what was reported. You said it's not true. Which one of us is perpetuating a myth?

If we could refrain from calling each other idiots/xenophobes/racists/any combination of the list below

Awesome list, might give it to my kids. Thanks Tegal ;-)

Sure, but I don't think anyone was called anything apart from Idiot, and that comment was probably accurate.

Going by my memory, I'll grant that Gao was a disappointment, given that he'd been one of the few bright spots at the end of the Knights, but then seemed to just totally lose interest in playing (well) while at the Phoenix.

But Jiang, by my recollection, came here as a youth player on loan from a club we were hoping to establish a relationship with, and was never expected to feature for the first team - the surprise was that Ricky picked him based on performances in training, not that he didn't perform like a star import. Fairly harsh to lump him in with the genuinely bad signings.

Money will bring a centre back that he worked with already and will also sign a overseas goalie, Fenton will play right back and a new local centre mid(maybe Lewis will come on loan) and half of the depth players will be NZ players.

Final finish 3rd, win the FFA cup and lose to Sydney FC in the final.

Are you friends with Fenton because you keep talking him up... sorry buddy, but its not going to happen. I wish things were different, but he just isn't the player we hoped he would become due to injury and poor management. The league has got better whereas he has stagnated at best.

I wish him well and hope his stint in Aussie helps him recapture some of what he use to be... but he is a long way off getting a start or even a sniff at the NIX.

He's still young. Anyway we're all talking up Singh's debut but Fenton’s was something else.

Squeegee? That made me laugh. Great list. As Reg said, might have to give this one to the kids.

There is a difference between a large commercial sponsor (foreign/multinational/whatever), and a large foreign/multinational/whatever owner.  I would accept your criticism as valid if you heard me - ever - disagreeing with Huawei being our sponsor. 

Instead, I find your criticism to be an example of the common and well-meaning, but nonetheless daft, "knee-jerk" type logic.  I pointed out an example of Bakhri group as a case of poor foreign ownership, in response to another poster suggesting Chinese consortium as an owner/investor for us.  In other words, someone discussed a specific country consortium as a potential owner, and when I disagreed, it made me a xenophobe in your eyes, unless I promptly explained myself.  

There is a big difference between calling people threatening and fearsome because they are slanty-eyed, and calling the idea of ownership by a large Chinese consortium a possibly bad one. This is especially that I based it - in the same sentence - on an example of what happened (and is still happening) at Brisbane Roar, a club bought by a large Indonesian consortium.

Racism is a big word with sharp edges. Wield it carefully.

I liked it when Sony were the sponsor. Their Logo was smaller on the jersey's and did not distract from the kit. And their products weren't too bad either. Great half time competitions and a chance to win.

I fail to see how a bad Indonesian owner means a hypothetical chinese owner is bad, the city group seem good owners yet they're also Asian.

But, I like welnix, despite what people say they own the team because of wellington, their hearts are in the right place even if their wallets aren't as big as others.

Their heart might well be in the right place but when you take on a football club you expect to lose money, then if success follows and you make some, great. That they are running in such a way that the club has not had to have the FFA bail them out is very good.

I might not agree with the travelling circus but I look at it this way. Get in decent players, get the winning results and fans here will turn up. Just like at any other club in any other country. 

You have to be prepared to lose money to hopefully make it. A successful Marquee could have held the fan interest whilst a decent team was assembled. And a successful team also attracts a lot of sponsors wanting a piece of the attention.

They don't expect to make money. They've always said their ideal situation is for the team to break even. They've built academies and brought in a lot of good players, it's not paying off for them but they're definitely spending a lot of money.

Even when they were in line to make money after the season where they finished fourth and then sold Burns they invested that money back into the team. I doubt they ever expect to see a return.

Take it to the ownership thread. Cheers. 

Completely OT, but this is something I've been wanting to discuss for a while .

Has anyone ever come across a football player's contract (ideally in the HAL?).  I work in Human Resources and I'm very curious to know how they manage to maintain compliance with the relevant employment legislation.

I imagine players will be deemed as independent contractors, but then again, surely these contracts will be quite in-depth (see various buy-out, contract extension etc) clauses.

Ran out of ideas.

60 odd new post but eff all on contracted players. Mods take control. 

Ok not sure on right back.

I wonder if or when any contracts will be offered or signed? Should've asked Domey at the meeting. I wonder if the club will wait for the season to end before making any such moves. A new CB, and a LWB & a RWB specialists.

Was our deal not 4 + 3 +3  signed early 2016 - so subject to FFA control wrangle should we not be signing players till 2019/20 Season?

On this occasion, it might be OK to just let us talk it out.

This was not about ownership but about racism, an issue that arguably could belong to any forum topic.

Of course, and you may well be correct  - it is quite possible that I am wrong about the financial / business / merits of foreign ownership.

The root of the conversation is definitely ownership. I have to balance letting you talk it out vs as someone said a few posts up that there were 60 new posts, none of which were about contracted players. 

Fair?

Sure and fair. 

I also believe we have already clarified our differences and possibly misspoken / misunderstood words.  

That is the beauty of Yellow Fever - having mature level of discussion and not getting personal.

Ok you decide who plays right back and the depth players.

NOTES

1 One of the depth players has to be a goalkeeper.

2 No foregin players(outside NZ and Aus) alowed.

3 Min 9 max 12 depth players.