Contracted Players - Return of the Long Pins

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If it has to be repeated again, maybe they can get travel exemptions for their families to join them 2nd time around, and live close by to the hub. Far from ideal, esp for those with kids of school age etc. 

FFA/NLWG will be getting a large amount of feedback on how this hub has gone, how happy are the teams, players etc, and what can they improve on, if the process has to be repeated for season 2020/2021

But if likes of Ball and Davila come back a bit miserable from the experience, and it becomes clear that their hearts wouldn't really be in it doing it again, probably better just to release them. Not saying that's a given by any means, but something Nix will need to assess as time goes on.

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Not sure if it's been asked elsewhere, but has there been any chat about FFA compensating Nix/other teams for for re-locating since Covid?

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Global Game wrote:

Not sure if it's been asked elsewhere, but has there been any chat about FFA compensating Nix/other teams for for re-locating since Covid?

Compensating in what sense? FFA is paying for the costs of their accomodation etc (though I believe it's using Fox money which would have been going to the clubs otherwise, but then the pay cuts agreed to finish the season also reduced the burden on clubs). What this looks like from Aug 31 is the big ?.

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Hamstring injuries ruling both Hooper and Payne out of the playoffs. Both players will leave the Nix bubble, Payne to come back to NZ and Hooper going to England. You would think that's that for Hooper and the Nix.

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el grapadura wrote:

Hamstring injuries ruling both Hooper and Payne out of the playoffs. Both players will leave the Nix bubble, Payne to come back to NZ and Hooper going to England. You would think that's that for Hooper and the Nix.

Ooof.  We really need to find some goals without Hooper.

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el grapadura wrote:

Hamstring injuries ruling both Hooper and Payne out of the playoffs. Both players will leave the Nix bubble, Payne to come back to NZ and Hooper going to England. You would think that's that for Hooper and the Nix.

That's our season done then. Hooper was our only player who looked like scoring regularly in open play, with him gone it all comes down to us somehow getting loads of penalties to make the final.

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That truely is a sharkte end to our chances, with Hooper playing we still had a chance

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We've scored goals and won games without Hoops but given our recent form, it seems to be an early exit for us.

(But you never know!)

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yeah, we dont necessarily need him, but he is a massive loss

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That truely is a sharkte end to our chances, with Hooper playing we still had a chance

Almost seems typical of our form since covid tbh. Just sharke.

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It will be very interesting to see shortly what the  clubs attitude to renewing current contracts will be.

A number of young kiwis are shortly off contract who have had decent seasons.

Seasons which indicate they can cut it at this level in the starting team or at worst be a decent a-league squad player (McCallawat, Elliot, Hudson) 

Think all deserve another contract.

The clubs decision is sign them now or take a risk and keep them dragging for a few more months and only offer and sign them just prior to when they are needed (saving them a few weeks wages) which appears to have been the mode of operation in other years

The risk however is the likes of McCallawat or Elliot might explore their options in a lower European league and we lose them for good.

Then we have to take a punt and sign young Ausi players who may not be any better (Scott, Mcgling etc)

In recent times I have seen some vision by the owners but in the aftermath of Covid, I don’t know 

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It will be very interesting to see shortly what the  clubs attitude to renewing current contracts will be.

A number of young kiwis are shortly off contract who have had decent seasons.

Seasons which indicate they can cut it at this level in the starting team or at worst be a decent a-league squad player (McCallawat, Elliot, Hudson) 

Think all deserve another contract.

The clubs decision is sign them now or take a risk and keep them dragging for a few more months and only offer and sign them just prior to when they are needed (saving them a few weeks wages) which appears to have been the mode of operation in other years

The risk however is the likes of McCallawat or Elliot might explore their options in a lower European league and we lose them for good.

Then we have to take a punt and sign young Ausi players who may not be any better (Scott, Mcgling etc)

In recent times I have seen some vision by the owners but in the aftermath of Covid, I don’t know 

Think Payne is going to get another contract?

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Our young guys need to be playing, being on the bench week in week out does not help there development. Moving on is in there best interest. As for our main squad Im sure other HAL clubs will snatch most of them up as always. 20/21 will be another rebuild year.

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With Covid ruling out any chance of a trans Tasman bubble for quite some time it’s highly likely the Nix will be based in Australia for next season. Add in the huge cut to the salary cap the landscape has completely changed. I can’t see many imports wanting to spend a season living in a Sydney hotel for low wages. I can’t see many older players with families wanting to spend a season in a Sydney hotel. We may have to turn to the youngsters for the bulk of our squad. Rumors coming out of Oz suggest that most clubs will have to look for cheaper younger players. If this is the case the Nix has a strong advantage IMO. We have had a very successful academy running for quite a while. We also have successfully blooded quite a few promising youngsters who could easily step up as starters.

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Has DeVere signed for the Rams yet?

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The Aussie hub, is not quite a hotel room confinement (post the initial 2 weeks quarantine that Hooper & Davila had to do) but yes otherwise what you say is right - it's a sharkhouse setup especially long term for the family men. If you look at the current Covid situation - other Aus states with closed borders to NSW & VIC, a new "outbreak" in NZ, then normal freedom of travel looks months away. The hope of a Trans Tasman travel bubble longer. Another hub from December looks highly likely.

With various NZ & Aus govts (incl state) still pursuing elimination strategies, interstate travel will blocked as soon as a new outbreak occurs again. Would be naive to think, that even if the current outbreaks in VIC, NSW & NZ are contained/defeated, the disease won't return again somewhere for a 3rd time. In Europe for example now, elimination of the disease is gone as an option. So they are learning to live with it as best they can, and the various football leagues will probably never use hub setups. Even the MLS is now moving into a 'normal' home & away regular season.

This will all be playing on the mind of the Nix family guys. Devere would be tempted you'd think to try get a gig with the Roar - his wife is in QLD now with their new baby? Davila and Ball will for sure be distracted by all this. Naturally they will be asking now what's the plan for season 2020/2021. Their minds won't just be on football. You can't really expect either to return to NSW for another months long hub (worse case July 2021), and leave their families in NZ. That would be especially tough for Davila, with a new born, a wife who presumably has English as a 2nd language, no family support network with a new baby, and an absent husband. Shark scenario. Ball's English whanau (older kids?) may cope with any separation better, but still a sharkhouse setup.

Faced with that both players would be in their rights to seek early contract terminations, on compassionate grounds. Compounded by TV rights being halved, salary cap being reduced, and them probably being asked to take pay cuts. Yes a negative outlook but is also realistic until more is known about the next season. One saviour is that the Covid problem (Trans Tasman travel wise anyhow) should be gone at some point in 2021. The 2021/2022 season could be normal. Ball still has 1 year to go?  Davila 2 years on their contracts? So if they were loving NZ & the Nix pre Covid, they might try preserve.

The FFA/NLWG need to start lobbying hard now for exemptions for immediate families of players, to join them in NSW re any hub for season 2020/2021. A family hub attached to the player's hub. Or just some enlarged overall hub, with control of people in and out like an Olympic Village or whatever. This is not just a problem for the Nix, but potentially for all the non NSW A League teams for the new season, if interstate travel remains a no go. Esp the visa players with families in Aus/NZ with no support networks.

The NRL asked for Warriors's families to get special travel exemptions, to travel to NSW - but without luck. But Aus Govts, incl state need to realise many people get a great deal of enjoyment out of supporting and watching their sports teams. In this Covid stressful world, watching the NRL, AFL, Super Rugby, A League or whatever can provide some sense of normality and distraction from this shark time. Some mental health benefits for sure. So govts and health authorities should be trying to help these sports bodies keep their comps going, with sensible solutions.

Also SFC, WSW, CCM and Newcastle start having a massive unfair advantage (as if SFC need one) with their players leading semblances of normal lives, sleeping in their usual beds and getting away from constant football. I'm sure FFA/NLWG will be aware of all this, and working on different possible ideas and solutions. Could the season start with a 6 week hubs in Perth, Brisbane and Wellington (4 teams per hub play each other twice), before a centralised NSW hub in Jan 2021 with all teams? So at least WA, QLD & NZ get to host some games with crowds maybe. All ideas on the table.

I guess the other option is having travel exemptions for the teams to travel themselves without having to quarantine. In and out within 48 hours (48 hours for teams playing in Perth & NZ), on charter flights or whatever. But that then opens a can of worms with the general public, that sports people are being allowed to travel freely, when they are stuck with 2 weeks hotel quarantine (which everyone now needs to pay for in Aus at about $3K per 2 weeks).

It's going to be an interesting, and far far from normal off season. Shark load of problems for the Nix and other clubs to work through. But yeah with bulk of the squad younger non family guys, a few possible cheaper pickups (and motivated to restart their pro careers) like Lewis and McGarry floating around - they should have a competitive squad. Hooper a large loss. And yeah if either/both Davila and Ball left, then serious player recruitment issues, because Nix having to be in Australia next season locked in a hub won't be attractive to many visa prospects. McCowatt decides to try his luck in Europe, and then Gill & Talay really will be busy boys with the agents.

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martinb wrote:

It will be very interesting to see shortly what the  clubs attitude to renewing current contracts will be.

A number of young kiwis are shortly off contract who have had decent seasons.

Seasons which indicate they can cut it at this level in the starting team or at worst be a decent a-league squad player (McCallawat, Elliot, Hudson) 

Think all deserve another contract.

The clubs decision is sign them now or take a risk and keep them dragging for a few more months and only offer and sign them just prior to when they are needed (saving them a few weeks wages) which appears to have been the mode of operation in other years

The risk however is the likes of McCallawat or Elliot might explore their options in a lower European league and we lose them for good.

Then we have to take a punt and sign young Ausi players who may not be any better (Scott, Mcgling etc)

In recent times I have seen some vision by the owners but in the aftermath of Covid, I don’t know 

Think Payne is going to get another contract?

He’s already got one for another two years

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Marto wrote:

Has DeVere signed for the Rams yet?

We got lucky with DeVere and injuries, I wouldn't mind Te Atawhai as a starting CB and save whatever coin we have for an import striker. With covid restrictions I see us letting Steinman go too and just running with a Rufer/Devlin CM pairing.

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Ryan wrote:

Marto wrote:

Has DeVere signed for the Rams yet?

We got lucky with DeVere and injuries, I wouldn't mind Te Atawhai as a starting CB and save whatever coin we have for an import striker. With covid restrictions I see us letting Steinman go too and just running with a Rufer/Devlin CM pairing.

Based on his season how likely is it DeVere makes that mistake on the lead up to the goal? I know it's a bs hypothetical, but I thought he had a great season tbh. I mean, don't get me wrong I've been impressed with TAHW, but DeVere was very reliable this season.

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Out of interest this is the below full strength NZ U23 side that managed two 1-1 draws against Young Socceroos (all A League players from memory), last year. They looked good under Des.

https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/81761?newsfeedId=844973&newsfeedPageNum=7

New Zealand: 1. Cameron Brown, 4. Hunter Ashworth (14. William Jones 46'), 5. George Stanger, 7. Myer Bevan, 9. Max Mata (8. Jake Porter 83'), 10. Clayton Lewis, 11. Oliver Whyte (20. Dylan de Jong 62'), 13. James McGarry (6. Dane Schnell 62'), 16. Gianni Stensness, 17. Logan Rogerson (18. Lachlan McIsaac 89'), 19. Noah Billingsley (2. Jordan Spain 62') 


Substitutes not used: 3. Robert Tipelu, 12. Conor Tracey (GK), 15. Sean Liddicoat, 21. Aidan Munford (GK)

Lewis, McGarry and maybe Bevan on Talay's radar.

Rogerson's leg break untimely. 

What about Oli Whyte? Looks a class act at CL level I've read. Brief spell in Portugal.

Stensness is locked in at CCM?

Adam Mitchell - his career seems to have nose dived?

Cam Howieson - rumoured to have turned down trialling at the Nix before? Prefers Auckland over Wellington or something.

Be interesting to know if those ACFC guys are on less coin now, since their club has gone what 3 years without a CWC appearance (presuming this year's is cancelled).

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martinb wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Marto wrote:

Has DeVere signed for the Rams yet?

We got lucky with DeVere and injuries, I wouldn't mind Te Atawhai as a starting CB and save whatever coin we have for an import striker. With covid restrictions I see us letting Steinman go too and just running with a Rufer/Devlin CM pairing.

Based on his season how likely is it DeVere makes that mistake on the lead up to the goal? I know it's a bs hypothetical, but I thought he had a great season tbh. I mean, don't get me wrong I've been impressed with TAHW, but DeVere was very reliable this season.

we also conceded two goals in two games from headers while devere was off the pitch
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martinb wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Marto wrote:

Has DeVere signed for the Rams yet?

We got lucky with DeVere and injuries, I wouldn't mind Te Atawhai as a starting CB and save whatever coin we have for an import striker. With covid restrictions I see us letting Steinman go too and just running with a Rufer/Devlin CM pairing.

Based on his season how likely is it DeVere makes that mistake on the lead up to the goal? I know it's a bs hypothetical, but I thought he had a great season tbh. I mean, don't get me wrong I've been impressed with TAHW, but DeVere was very reliable this season.

we also conceded two goals in two games from headers while devere was off the pitch

I'd definitely want to keep DeVere.  Also because he got a hilarious card for diving.

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James McGarry, a free agent right now?

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coochiee wrote:

New Zealand: 1. Cameron Brown, 4. Hunter Ashworth (14. William Jones 46'), 5. George Stanger, 7. Myer Bevan, 9. Max Mata (8. Jake Porter 83'), 10. Clayton Lewis, 11. Oliver Whyte (20. Dylan de Jong 62'), 13. James McGarry (6. Dane Schnell 62'), 16. Gianni Stensness, 17. Logan Rogerson (18. Lachlan McIsaac 89'), 19. Noah Billingsley (2. Jordan Spain 62') 


Substitutes not used: 3. Robert Tipelu, 12. Conor Tracey (GK), 15. Sean Liddicoat, 21. Aidan Munford (GK)

Bolded the ones I reckon could receive even a cursory look from Talay

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L Messi has asked to be released from his contract. Perhaps Domey might wantto offer him a deal? The selling point is how much safer NZ is and he won't be hounded by the media after the first day. Could solve our goalscoring issues and still has a couple of years at our level in his tank.

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As post above, Kerala Blasters who play in the Indian Super League are making a play for Hooper. https://khelnow.com/football/isl-2020-21-kerala-blasters-gary-hooper-talks

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we becoming the IPL feeder club?

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we becoming the IPL feeder club?

that, and like the Chinese Super league used to be the ISL is becoming a nice pre-retirement league for decent players looking to cash in on the careers.

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It's actually the ISL (Indian Super League) rather than IPL (cricket).

Someone else mooted idea that with ISL finishing I think March next year, and A League possibly not starting until Feb 2021 - Krishna could be target for the Nix. Looks like could add Gaza to that suggestion box as well - if he only signed a one season ISL deal.

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coochiee wrote:

It's actually the ISL (Indian Super League) rather than IPL (cricket).

whoops my bad, fixed

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coochiee wrote:

It's actually the ISL (Indian Super League) rather than IPL (cricket).

Someone else mooted idea that with ISL finishing I think March next year, and A League possibly not starting until Feb 2021 - Krishna could be target for the Nix. Looks like could add Gaza to that suggestion box as well - if he only signed a one season ISL deal.

According to wiki, the ISL ends 21st of March. A pretty solid sauce is hearing that the A-League will be January - June at this stage. So would need to be a mid season signing.
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Krishna is a legend for the Nix but only had a couple of good seasons and will be 33.

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Ryan wrote:

Krishna is a legend for the Nix but only had a couple of good seasons and will be 33.

He's coming off his two best ever seasons, I'd absolutely love him back here and he'd still be one of the best attackers in the A-League I reckon. People talk about him losing pace etc., I guess people assume that because he's old but he still tears up Indian defenses. I wouldn't necessarily like to invest my future in older players, but this isn't moneyball - Krishna seems like he has a few great years still in the tank

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I'd watch Krishna play at 43 IMHO.

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mrsmiis wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Krishna is a legend for the Nix but only had a couple of good seasons and will be 33.

He's coming off his two best ever seasons, I'd absolutely love him back here and he'd still be one of the best attackers in the A-League I reckon. People talk about him losing pace etc., I guess people assume that because he's old but he still tears up Indian defenses. I wouldn't necessarily like to invest my future in older players, but this isn't moneyball - Krishna seems like he has a few great years still in the tank

Which is why I am sure Hooper will too. He does not need to sprint box to box thanks to his excellent poaching instinct.  Krishna always relied on his speed so he would probably need to be more Hooperesque in his coming year or two in order to still tear up the Australian defenses. 

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Mainland FC wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Krishna is a legend for the Nix but only had a couple of good seasons and will be 33.

He's coming off his two best ever seasons, I'd absolutely love him back here and he'd still be one of the best attackers in the A-League I reckon. People talk about him losing pace etc., I guess people assume that because he's old but he still tears up Indian defenses. I wouldn't necessarily like to invest my future in older players, but this isn't moneyball - Krishna seems like he has a few great years still in the tank

Which is why I am sure Hooper will too. He does not need to sprint box to box thanks to his excellent poaching instinct.  Krishna always relied on his speed so he would probably need to be more Hooperesque in his coming year or two in order to still tear up the Australian defenses. 

Could you imagine a front two of Hoops and Krishna. Would be the greatest attack ever seen in the A League, pure pace and sublime poaching and finishing. ?

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coochiee wrote:

It's actually the ISL (Indian Super League) rather than IPL (cricket).

Someone else mooted idea that with ISL finishing I think March next year, and A League possibly not starting until Feb 2021 - Krishna could be target for the Nix. Looks like could add Gaza to that suggestion box as well - if he only signed a one season ISL deal.

Ha, not long after I posted that I realised IPL was cricket, duly noted! Would love to see him back. Him or hoops? Not sure!

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coochiee wrote:

It's actually the ISL (Indian Super League) rather than IPL (cricket).

Someone else mooted idea that with ISL finishing I think March next year, and A League possibly not starting until Feb 2021 - Krishna could be target for the Nix. Looks like could add Gaza to that suggestion box as well - if he only signed a one season ISL deal.

Ha, not long after I posted that I realised IPL was cricket, duly noted! Would love to see him back. Him or hoops? Not sure!

My pick would be Messi
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