Last year it was Brockie scoring for fun, this year it is waffles. Next season I predict 15 goals from Tyler Boyd. The boy is getting better and better and learning. He will come good and it will be his deserved turn.
Contracted Players - Return of the Long Pins
He's been playing here since 2008, so if he was eligible for NZ citizenship I assume he would have already applied for it, which doesn't seem to be the case. I have a feeling he may not have continuously lived in NZ since 2008 (i.e. returning home to live during at least one of the offseasons).
I was also under the impression that the continuous residence thing was what was stopping this from happening.
However, Krishna's New Zealand residency application was granted earlier this month which means he is now unable to spend extended periods outside New Zealand. New New Zealand residents need to spend a minimum of 184 days in the country across the first two years if they wish to be granted permanent residence, a requirement that the 25-year-old would be unable to fulfill if he was signed by Derby.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10887895
Krishna needs 1 more year in NZ before he is a local player.
The five year citizenship time period only starts ticking once someone gets their first residence visa? It does not include previous time spent in NZ on temporary visas. If citizenship is required to become a kiwi player, then he has some way to go, as has Ifill unless he got his residence very quickly
Auckland Phoenix is correct. I too have been in NZ since 2008 however I did not become permanent resident until Jan 2011. The 5 years starts from that date, not from when I first arrived.
Ifill didn't arrive until about July 2009(?) so not sure when he'll have gained PR.
Auckland Phoenix is correct. I too have been in NZ since 2008 however I did not become permanent resident until Jan 2011. The 5 years starts from that date, not from when I first arrived.
Ifill didn't arrive until about July 2009(?) so not sure when he'll have gained PR.
Unlikely when signing a 2 year deal I would say.
Does anyone know if he even has PR?
Someone needs to take Huysegyms to Leuven on featherston and begin the sweet talking
Well the Phoenix have said they still want him. Sticking point sounds like it is length of contract and/or money. I'm not sure if his agent has been looking for other offers yet or not. All his agent has said is...
"Phoenix's offer of a one-year extension did not ''meet his expectations''.
''It would be a shame to see Stein go, because his performances and goalscoring prowess have helped lift the level of the competition this season,'' Jetvic said.
''He has 16 caps for his country and offers a degree of pedigree which has been there for all to see. But, in terms of negotiations, it's not looking too promising at the moment.''
Guess we will just have to wait and see.
What I've noticed is that when one of these negotiation impasses reaches the media (especially about money), it's almost reached a point of no return. Especially when you've got owners who are not inclined to splash the cash.
I think the only way this ends with him staying is if Stein moves on his salary demands in exchange for the Nix moving to a 2 year contract.
What I've noticed is that when one of these negotiation impasses reaches the media (especially about money), it's almost reached a point of no return. Especially when you've got owners who are not inclined to splash the cash.
I think the only way this ends with him staying is if Stein moves on his salary demands in exchange for the Nix moving to a 2 year contract.
Not always true, whenever Jonah Lomus contract was due for renewal with the NZRFU stories always emerged of shift to League, Britain France etc, similarly with SBW. It is never really a good thing and you prefer to just read that a contract has been extended, but fairly common ploy on the part of agents.
I certainly hope he stays
Bad analogy. Jonah was irreplacable.
Its a big wide world of football.....
That sounds harsh on Stein and I certainly hope he stays.
Stein leaving would be a big loss. At 31, another two years is not a big deal in terms of age. Stein is not a players who relies on speed to be effective. He is probably one of our most skillful players. Plus he can slot very well into the role that Carlos plays. Carlos seems to have attitude problems.... he may not have long term future with the Nix. If Stein went as well we would have a huge hole in that creative role up front.
To me the statement by his agent is just to rack up a bit of pressure on the negotiation process. I am sure a deal could be done....Stein would go if it does not stack up but unsettling his young family who are well settled in Wgtn would be a factor. There is plenty of positive feedback about Stein on other forums.......seems just about everyone else in the A-league would want him signed for their club
Bad analogy. Jonah was irreplacable.
Its a big wide world of football.....
That sounds harsh on Stein and I certainly hope he stays.
Why is it a bad analogy? Jonah irreplacable? correct me if I am wrong but havent the All Blacks done ok with out him?
It is a common ploy in any negotiation, maybe not going to the press, but hell I have used it myself at work.
Bad analogy. Jonah was irreplacable.
Its a big wide world of football.....
That sounds harsh on Stein and I certainly hope he stays.
Why is it a bad analogy? Jonah irreplacable? correct me if I am wrong but havent the All Blacks done ok with out him?
Bad analogy. Jonah was irreplacable.
Its a big wide world of football.....
That sounds harsh on Stein and I certainly hope he stays.
Why is it a bad analogy? Jonah irreplacable? correct me if I am wrong but havent the All Blacks done ok with out him?
It is a common ploy in any negotiation, maybe not going to the press, but hell I have used it myself at work.
The main difference between Jonah/SBW & Stein is their marketing value (e.g. how many times has Stein turned up in a woman's day article?) But to be honest I was actually thinking more of an a-league context, which is quite different from other codes.
However yes, you're right, it sometimes works out. But usually putting the negotiations in the press is a last ditch ploy by one side when they're running out of answers, which 9/10 precedes the player leaving from what I've seen.
So much of this stuff is puzzling, we just don't know what ernie's plans are for the squad for next year, makes it impossible to judge if these are good or bad decisions
I suspect if he was really keen on Stein, that negotiation would have been done by now. I think that indicates to me that he would like a striker with a different talent/skill set than what Stein brings. I think he is after an Archie clone personally when he talks about fast pacey FBs
Someone needs to take Huysegyms to Leuven on featherston and begin the sweet talking
I was talking with Ernie last night and he agrees with me.. Its pointless that we pay that amount of money for a player who cant head, has no right foot and is steering at the slippery slope of pace diminishing and injuries taking their TROLL.
pay what amount of money? for all his failings, ie no head and one footed he's been leading the golden boot race in the a-league for a while - only last week did he get passed - he's csoring consitently and setting goals up.
I was talking with Ernie last night and he agrees with me.. Its pointless that we pay that amount of money for a player who cant head, has no right foot and is steering at the slippery slope of pace diminishing and injuries taking their toll.
Wouldn't pay a bucketload for him when he's getting on in years. He is replaceable.
Conan I have edited it for you.
Though I do admit that he is a player that I do not rate as highly as others. He is a professional footballer who has played at a very high level but is unable to execute two fundamental basic requirements of his role.
By the way Brockie scored under "Ricki's Style"..
Conan I have edited it for you.
Though I do admit that he is a player that I do not rate as highly as others. He is a professional footballer who has played at a very high level but is unable to execute two fundamental basic requirements of his role.
By the way Brockie scored under "Ricki's Style"..
Conan I have edited it for you.
Though I do admit that he is a player that I do not rate as highly as others. He is a professional footballer who has played at a very high level but is unable to execute two fundamental basic requirements of his role.
By the way Brockie scored under "Ricki's Style"..
Every time someone brings up stein being one-footed it cracks me up no end.
This is the A-League guys, it's chock full of one-footed players. If his right was as good as his left he wouldn't be here.
Its not so much the one-footed it is the inability to utilise his right foot when there is a clear goal scoring opportunty. In quite a few cases by using his predominate foot the opportunity has been reduced or is gone.
I can remember bearing down on the right of the goal in the six yard and having to flick from outside his left boot though he could have nailed it with a right foot shot or side foot.
Wouldn't pay a bucketload for him when he's getting on in years. He is replaceable.
Yes, he is replaceable, as are probably 90% of the squad. As I've written Brockie off as a lost cause, my worry is who will we replace our top scorer with!
Bad analogy. Jonah was irreplacable.
Its a big wide world of football.....
That sounds harsh on Stein and I certainly hope he stays.
Jonah was made to look good by the players around him. His attacking game was good and his defending was shit. Cullen and Umaga covered him every game for the Lions and the Hurricanes and for the ABs. His turning to run back and defend was like watching a bus turning around. Slow and cumbersome.
Agents are the sort of scum that really need to be weeded out of the game. Far too often they try snd hold a gun to the head of the clubs with various threats and Insinuations. Its a global problem. I think its time for players to man up and negotiate their own contracts. All this crap about wanting to concentrate soley on their football so they engage an agent to do the pays. If we all did that we'd not be employed.
Bad analogy. Jonah was irreplacable.
Its a big wide world of football.....
That sounds harsh on Stein and I certainly hope he stays.
Jonah was made to look good by the players around him. His attacking game was good and his defending was shit. Cullen and Umaga covered him every game for the Lions and the Hurricanes and for the ABs. His turning to run back and defend was like watching a bus turning around. Slow and cumbersome.
Agents are the sort of scum that really need to be weeded out of the game. Far too often they try snd hold a gun to the head of the clubs with various threats and Insinuations. Its a global problem. I think its time for players to man up and negotiate their own contracts. All this crap about wanting to concentrate soley on their football so they engage an agent to do the pays. If we all did that we'd not be employed.
Dude, that's completely ridiculous, if there were no agents how the hell would we ever get players from overseas to even think about coming to NZ?
Secondly, if you were earning big bucks and you had left school at 16 and only ever played football all your life would you trust yourself to negotiate on your own behalf?
I think we should sign a young NZ right back instead of keeping the Sherminator.
Bad analogy. Jonah was irreplacable.
Its a big wide world of football.....
That sounds harsh on Stein and I certainly hope he stays.
Jonah was made to look good by the players around him. His attacking game was good and his defending was shit. Cullen and Umaga covered him every game for the Lions and the Hurricanes and for the ABs. His turning to run back and defend was like watching a bus turning around. Slow and cumbersome.
Agents are the sort of scum that really need to be weeded out of the game. Far too often they try snd hold a gun to the head of the clubs with various threats and Insinuations. Its a global problem. I think its time for players to man up and negotiate their own contracts. All this crap about wanting to concentrate soley on their football so they engage an agent to do the pays. If we all did that we'd not be employed.
Horrible folk agents but by god if I was a professional footballer I'd have the best and most devious money could buy.
The difference between us and a professional footballer is that we can be easily replaced. A professional footballer particularly a good one is coveted and their individualized contracts reflect that. On the flip side just look at how many players don't make the grade and are dropped with no support by clubs and end up with all sorts of problems. Or those poor sods who have to sell off their medals to make ends meet cuse they've not manged to pick up another trade.
Also I don't know of many football players that could draw up a contract that covered everything, sell themselves and get sponsorship deals on their own - that's why agents are necessary.
edit: you got in there first JD.
I think we should sign a young NZ right back instead of keeping the Sherminator.
When did agents really get involved in the game, late 70s? It survived near on 100 years without them.
Ps: I may stand to be corrected on this point and acknowledge that in advance.
I think we should sign a young NZ right back instead of keeping the Sherminator.
But Timmins isn't a youth player is he? Who are our three for next year? Ridenton, Rufer and? Is Boyd still young enough?
I think we should sign a young NZ right back instead of keeping the Sherminator.
But Timmins isn't a youth player is he? Who are our three for next year? Ridenton, Rufer and? Is Boyd still young enough?
When did agents really get involved in the game, late 70s? It survived near on 100 years without them.
Ps: I may stand to be corrected on this point and acknowledge that in advance.
Agreed that their power is excessive but do we really want to go back to the time when a football player had to hold down two jobs or their contract was negotiated with mum and dad?
Football has changed a hell of a lot in that time LG, more than just the addition of agents. Agents are a necessity in this day and age for the modern professional athlete.
Agents are (sadly) vital.
The good ones are good. The bad ones are bad.
Just like any profession.
However they have very little regulatory oversight. Unlike me and JD who can be disbarred (and probably will be one day) there's no authority regulating agents.
The a league have done players a great service by having a standard form player agreement. Agents just need to find the deal and fill in the right form.
Cheers for the fedback, an interesting debate. I agree that in the past, clubs more or less stood over players and they sought other jobs to help pay the bills, I just feel that Agents have taken it to the other extreme whereas a more centralised attitude would surely be a win win.
their contract was negotiated with mum and dad?
Seems to have worked for Marco.
But agents are only middle-people. They're paid by the quality of deal. I don't really see what the problem with them is supposed to be. If the club's happy and the player's happy, then that's what they call a "Pareto optimum" in economics, surely?
their contract was negotiated with mum and dad?
Seems to have worked for Marco.
But agents are only middle-people. They're paid by the quality of deal. I don't really see what the problem with them is supposed to be. If the club's happy and the player's happy, then that's what they call a "Pareto optimum" in economics, surely?
LG feels that players should represent themselves like people in other jobs do. Pre-the 90's a manager of a club would go round the house of a young talent and have a cup of tea with the family and make a deal. Obviously in those times many players got ripped off.
Re the 'pareto optimum" not sure people at QPR, Portsmouth or Leeds would see some of the contracts as being pareto optimum but then I only have a vague grasp of the concept!