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almost 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
who on earth is going to have the skinny on this kid, that hasn't been fed to them directly from the club?
Thats kinda what I am getting at. Which must mean he is a real fucking talent and Sunderland have rocks in their head to let him go or he is not the full quid and this is a stupid signing.

Surely you can be not good enough for Sunderland and also HAL quality?
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almost 12 years ago
Ryan54 wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
who on earth is going to have the skinny on this kid, that hasn't been fed to them directly from the club?
Thats kinda what I am getting at. Which must mean he is a real fucking talent and Sunderland have rocks in their head to let him go or he is not the full quid and this is a stupid signing.

Surely you can be not good enough for Sunderland and also HAL quality?

Jack Pelter..
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almost 12 years ago
Luis Garcia wrote:
Ryan54 wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
who on earth is going to have the skinny on this kid, that hasn't been fed to them directly from the club?
Thats kinda what I am getting at. Which must mean he is a real fucking talent and Sunderland have rocks in their head to let him go or he is not the full quid and this is a stupid signing.

Surely you can be not good enough for Sunderland and also HAL quality?


Jack Pelter..



James Troisi played 6 times for Atlanta but has probably been the best player in the league this season. Shane Smeltz couldn't buy a bloody goal for Halifax Town etc etc. Just because someone gets cut from Europe doesn't mean they aren't good enough for the A-league.

I'm not thrilled about the signing and would prefer we went for a different player but I don't automatically think he will be shit.
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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Jeff Vader wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
who on earth is going to have the skinny on this kid, that hasn't been fed to them directly from the club?
Thats kinda what I am getting at. Which must mean he is a real fucking talent and Sunderland have rocks in their head to let him go or he is not the full quid and this is a stupid signing.


I'm very wary of signing a player who has never played senior football - I've seen the U21 league and I don't really rate the standard


Actually the more I think about it the worse it gets.  Paul Ifill was a Sunderland senior player, we're now looking at Sunderland U21s.  #welnix

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almost 12 years ago

So the overall consensus is that Ernie doesn't know what he's doing recruitment-wise. Sack him?


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almost 12 years ago

Sunderland forums a few weeks back looking at Gorrin to move into first team next season, then a bit later a note about how he's not playing for the U-21 team because he's injured, and then recently there are rumours he's going. Well the last one's true: he's coming here. But hope the injury rumour isn't, or at least not serious. Surely he can't have been close to 1st team if he's now willing to come down here. He's a big lad at 183cm, and has scored 2 with 2 assists in latest 9 starts. Reasons to be cheerful? Or at least optimistic.

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almost 12 years ago

He's the age where a couple of years in nz is a good adventure.

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almost 12 years ago

JD, Iffs was at Sheffield United.

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almost 12 years ago
Ryan wrote:

He's the age where a couple of years in nz is a good adventure.


And if he likes it here then he could become an All White in five years
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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Luis Garcia wrote:

I guess it could mean the end for Hernandez.. 

I dunno about that, sounds like he's a box-to-box midfielder more. Interesting signing though, definitely not what I was expecting for sure.I wonder how Ernie found out about him? 


IIRC, that is exactly what Ernie has stated since day one. He needed a box-to-box midfielder.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 12 years ago

Yeah after reading the description of him on Stuff I'm definitely more excited. Initially someone on here said he was just an attacking midfielder, but seems like he could be a great link with player of the year Albert

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almost 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

"Head coach Ernie Merrick is hailing the transfer saying Gorrin has the potential to play in the EPL or the Championship division"

If this were true then why would he sign a 2+1 deal in the HAL???????????????



Well, for starters, there are quite a few Spaniards floating around the Championship (let's be realistic about that "EPL" claim) who are not getting signed and who are happy to get a long deal if it means steady income. Unlikely to be a Championship winning material, but a lower end level of the Championship? Believable.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 12 years ago
Luis Garcia wrote:
Ryan wrote:

He's the age where a couple of years in nz is a good adventure.

And if he likes it here then he could become an All White in five years


I reckon YF should start a dating service for imports. With a bit of luck they would marry a nice Kiwi girl instead of going home.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 12 years ago

FM ca/pa and maybe a screenshot. Seriously

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almost 12 years ago

This is very much a "we will have to wait and see" sort of signing. 


Obviously Ernie has been onto this guy for a while....he must have got good raps by someone for Ernie to give him two years unsighted. Positives is he is young, a box to box midfielder, having been at Sunderland at least he will have some English and the Wellington weather won't be too much of a change. He also will be used to the physicality of the Anglo game. Kind of young and unproven....Sunderland under 21 is hardly a ringing endorsement


Ernie is true to his word....he said he wanted to recruit early and get everyone on deck for a thorough preseason. If this guy comes off then it should give us more steel in defense alongside Riera. 


So thats our last import slot taken.....or will we see Carlos on his way post WC. Ernie is normally loyal to his players but he did publicly slam Carlos a couple of times.....would not bet my house on Carlos being here next season. Watch this space........


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almost 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

This is very much a "we will have to wait and see" sort of signing. 



My struggle with this is I cannot understand how this can be the best player that we can get to come to the club.  Steyn was a Belgian international, Carlos and Cunningham are internationals for a world cup team, Ifill was fringe premier league, Greenie solid career pro.  These are mid career professionals with a track record.  All have done a pretty decent job.  That's the standard we need from our imports to my mind.


It's absolutely not impossible to attract players to Wellington although the circumstances obviously have to be right.    Even Krishna has proven himself to a certain extent.  This guy is just a kid, I don't understand how anyone can truly have a view on whether he is good enough when he hasn't played a game of senior football.


There is an economic crisis in Spanish lower league football and our player of the year was a Spanish semi pro, I seriously cannot understand why we are not at least looking there initially.

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almost 12 years ago

So the only acceptable Players are EPL or Euroupes first team players!

I think the cap dictates the squad players. The SFC marque has not got the 1st on the ladder or a fancy seat at the top of the Finals



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almost 12 years ago
Mainland FC wrote:
Luis Garcia wrote:

I guess it could mean the end for Hernandez.. 

I dunno about that, sounds like he's a box-to-box midfielder more. Interesting signing though, definitely not what I was expecting for sure.I wonder how Ernie found out about him? 


IIRC, that is exactly what Ernie has stated since day one. He needed a box-to-box midfielder.
Should have been clearer - I meant I didn't expect us to sign 21yo import from the youth team of an EPL club. Position-wise he's exactly what we need

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james dean wrote:
austin10 wrote:

This is very much a "we will have to wait and see" sort of signing. 



My struggle with this is I cannot understand how this can be the best player that we can get to come to the club.  Steyn was a Belgian international, Carlos and Cunningham are internationals for a world cup team, Ifill was fringe premier league, Greenie solid career pro.  These are mid career professionals with a track record.  All have done a pretty decent job.  That's the standard we need from our imports to my mind.


It's absolutely not impossible to attract players to Wellington although the circumstances obviously have to be right.    Even Krishna has proven himself to a certain extent.  This guy is just a kid, I don't understand how anyone can truly have a view on whether he is good enough when he hasn't played a game of senior football.


There is an economic crisis in Spanish lower league football and our player of the year was a Spanish semi pro, I seriously cannot understand why we are not at least looking there initially.



A get where you are coming from. The little there is on the net suggests that Gorrin is a pretty skillful player, is good with the ball and knows how to pass it. He's scored a few goals too.

So on one hand I'm looking forward to see him and glad we've signed him, on the the other it's like well there goes an import slot...


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almost 12 years ago
Ryan54 wrote:
Luis Garcia wrote:
Ryan54 wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
who on earth is going to have the skinny on this kid, that hasn't been fed to them directly from the club?
Thats kinda what I am getting at. Which must mean he is a real fucking talent and Sunderland have rocks in their head to let him go or he is not the full quid and this is a stupid signing.

Surely you can be not good enough for Sunderland and also HAL quality?


Jack Pelter..



James Troisi played 6 times for Atlanta but has probably been the best player in the league this season. Shane Smeltz couldn't buy a bloody goal for Halifax Town etc etc. Just because someone gets cut from Europe doesn't mean they aren't good enough for the A-league.

I'm not thrilled about the signing and would prefer we went for a different player but I don't automatically think he will be shit.
 

V. good context. I thought this deserved a +1 and quote rather than just a THIS. :)

I'm guessing Riera is the connection here. 

My worry is, as others have said, that we're now chocka full of imports.

I'm picking Carlos is going. And I reckon Kenny will follow.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago


Wouldn't be surprised to see Kenny have a decent world cup and get picked up by a bigger club.

With Carlos, wasn't the one year extension he got an automatic clause based on games played? Both parties might actually be happy to terminate his contract now - you get the feeling that there's still a fair bit of bad blood between him and Ernie.

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almost 12 years ago

Serious question, do Auckland City have better imports than we do?

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almost 12 years ago
james dean wrote:

Serious question, do Auckland City have better imports than we do?

 

Mixed bag. 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

Connection is through Greenie who is mates with Sunderland U21 Coach according to radio this morning

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almost 12 years ago

On reading the article in the Dom post again, it says the lad was the captain of the Sunderland Reserves.  The Under 21 link appears to be the coach that is mates with Greenie not where Alex has necessarily been playing.

 

Does look slightly better

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almost 12 years ago
Walsall Boy wrote:

On reading the article in the Dom post again, it says the lad was the captain of the Sunderland Reserves.  The Under 21 link appears to be the coach that is mates with Greenie not where Alex has necessarily been playing.

 

Does look slightly better


There is no reserve league any more, that is the U21s

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People are very positive about this signing on other forums such as 442. To much angst in here.

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almost 12 years ago
Ryan wrote:

People are very positive about this signing on other forums such as 442. To much angst in here.



Why say that?

I think most of us are pretty happy with the signing we just have issues with his inexperience.

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almost 12 years ago
ForteanTimes wrote:
Ryan wrote:

People are very positive about this signing on other forums such as 442. To much angst in here.



Why say that?

I think most of us are pretty happy with the signing we just have issues with his inexperience.
 

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almost 12 years ago
ForteanTimes wrote:
Ryan wrote:

People are very positive about this signing on other forums such as 442. To much angst in here.



Why say that?

I think most of us are pretty happy with the signing we just have issues with his inexperience.


Well, I personally think we should make james dean the coach because he obviously knows so much more about it than Ernie Merrick.

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almost 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
Ryan wrote:

People are very positive about this signing on other forums such as 442. To much angst in here.



Why say that?

I think most of us are pretty happy with the signing we just have issues with his inexperience.


Well, I personally think we should make james dean the coach because he obviously knows so much more about it than Ernie Merrick.
 

JD has pretty solid Cap 1 coaching experience. Sign him up!

He's expensive though.

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almost 12 years ago

Great, then we can sign a team full of ASBP stalwarts and the occasional superannuated European. That'll get us the toilet seat for sure.


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almost 12 years ago
Ryan wrote:

People are very positive about this signing on other forums such as 442. To much angst in here.

Well. I for one am feeling very positive about this, probably because the finals havent started yet and Ernie has made a move to bring a young midfielder to the club..remember in previous years when we could go months and hear nothing...for me this is positive and I believe that more is to come and maybe its the start of putting together a team Ernie can call his own

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almost 12 years ago

I'm not as angsty about this as others on here. In fact I'm a bit excited to see what he can do. From the reports coming out this morning they have had a good look at his coaching videos and talked to people in the know over there, so there is a bit of homework about it. And he fills one of our biggest holes that we've traditionally struggled to sign (box to box midfielder).

In terms of it taking the last import slot, I think that says a lot more about the punt we've taken on Krishna. If I was going to pick Krishna or Gorrin for my last import slot, I'd definitely be taking Gorrin.

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almost 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:

Great, then we can sign a team full of ASBP stalwarts and the occasional superannuated European. That'll get us the toilet seat for sure.



You've been a bit spikey the last couple of days what's up?

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almost 12 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Doloras wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
Ryan wrote:

People are very positive about this signing on other forums such as 442. To much angst in here.



Why say that?

I think most of us are pretty happy with the signing we just have issues with his inexperience.


Well, I personally think we should make james dean the coach because he obviously knows so much more about it than Ernie Merrick.
 


JD has pretty solid Cap 1 coaching experience. Sign him up!


He's expensive though.


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almost 12 years ago

If Cunningham and Hernandez do leave, then they would have to mutually terminated (cost us wages from the cap i assume) or bought out (make us coin). I assume they will only leave if we were to sell them on post world cup. 

Think this will be a good signing. 

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almost 12 years ago
hlmphil wrote:

I'm not as angsty about this as others on here. In fact I'm a bit excited to see what he can do. From the reports coming out this morning they have had a good look at his coaching videos and talked to people in the know over there, so there is a bit of homework about it. And he fills one of our biggest holes that we've traditionally struggled to sign (box to box midfielder).

In terms of it taking the last import slot, I think that says a lot more about the punt we've taken on Krishna. If I was going to pick Krishna or Gorrin for my last import slot, I'd definitely be taking Gorrin.


All foreign signings are a punt - but we're punting that this guy is actually going to make it as a professional footballer, he's never played a professional match against men.  I don't understand how that doesn't worry people!!

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almost 12 years ago


It's the classic Groucho Marx position applied to the Nix - any player who'd be willing to play for us must be too sh*t for us to want to sign

 

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