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almost 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Luis Garcia wrote:

NEW SIGNING: Ernie Merrick at the awards dinner tonight has confirmed that 20 year old Alejandro Gorrin has signed for the Wellington Phoenix. He is a 20 year old Spaniard who has been playing for the Sunderland U21 team. Everyone at the Phoenix welcomes Alejandro to Wellington.


So those imports..

Wow so we have a midfield 4 full of imports in Carlos, Kenny, Riera and Gorrin. And our midfield is shit?!?!?!?!?!

I find the pace of this baffling unless there are moves in the background around Carlos. This is a very quick signing so my guess is that this boy was scouted a while back as a potential replacement for either Carlos (cause someone is over his bullshit), or the Phoenix were never serious about Stein (or he was a back up if Stein did not budge). If Carlos stays, it signals the end of Lia starting in the midfield. Also puts a squeeze on for Hicks and Ridenton but I am ok with that.

On the flip side, if this is a bollocks signing, then some really serious questions need to be asked around recruitment.

Does anyone have any skinny on this kid and why the Phoenix think this guy is HAL starting quality? (cause thats why he was signed, right?)


Our midfield will all be speaking Spanish next season.  Will make it easier to dupe Aussie speakers!
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almost 12 years ago
james dean wrote:
austin10 wrote:

This is very much a "we will have to wait and see" sort of signing. 



My struggle with this is I cannot understand how this can be the best player that we can get to come to the club.  Steyn was a Belgian international, Carlos and Cunningham are internationals for a world cup team, Ifill was fringe premier league, Greenie solid career pro.  These are mid career professionals with a track record.  All have done a pretty decent job.  That's the standard we need from our imports to my mind.


It's absolutely not impossible to attract players to Wellington although the circumstances obviously have to be right.    Even Krishna has proven himself to a certain extent.  This guy is just a kid, I don't understand how anyone can truly have a view on whether he is good enough when he hasn't played a game of senior football.


There is an economic crisis in Spanish lower league football and our player of the year was a Spanish semi pro, I seriously cannot understand why we are not at least looking there initially.



- At his age he may well work out to be a far better player then most of the above. 
- He will also speak English and get on well (I hope) with Kenny, Carlos and Albert. 
- Given that he has just come out of an Academy, he will probably want lower wages then professional players from EPL/Champ/League 1 in England and other top Euro leagues. 
- If he likes it here enough and has the goods could be a 10+ year signing (good for the All Whites too).

I like the fact that we are shipping out older, slower blood.
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almost 12 years ago

Dam not being able to 'this' on the app. Last post

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almost 12 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Would people moan if we signed Payne. Same level.


Some would find a reason to moan if we signed Messi

Should've Signed Ronaldo
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almost 12 years ago
JonoNewton wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Would people moan if we signed Payne. Same level.


Some would find a reason to moan if we signed Messi

Should've Signed Ronaldo

Nah, Zlatan is more the type of player we need

 

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almost 12 years ago
JonoNewton wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Would people moan if we signed Payne. Same level.


Some would find a reason to moan if we signed Messi

Should've Signed Ronaldo

Nah, Zlatan is more the type of player we need

 

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Obviously we will only know once he plays his first game, but I quite like this signing. Most importantly he appears to be a box to box midfielder and we simply did not possess such a player this season.


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almost 12 years ago
Obviously we will only know once he plays his first game, but I quite like this signing. Most importantly he appears to be a box to box midfielder and we simply did not possess such a player this season.



this is a fair point,  He won't have to be that great to be better than what we have currently!

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almost 12 years ago
reg22 wrote:
Bobobalde wrote:

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current ability 60/200
potential ability -6 (which is 90-120/200)

That's great, just wondering if it's the right guy. His age as quoted in the news is 20 so born 93 or 94 not 92 as in the pic. Not sure what ca/pa are decent for a hal player in the latest fm but a ca around 120 is , better players are 130-140
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almost 12 years ago

Is it not a bit weird if it is the case that we have signed him without ever seeing him in the flesh, when he is surely still training/playing at the moment and our season has finished? Surely Big Ern or Greenie (or even Greenacre) could have popped over and had a look at him  now before the deal was completed. The optimist in me hopes it is because he had a load of other offers and we had to move quickly, while the pessimist in me thinks the club have found someone cheap and are just hoping everyone goes "premier league? He must be amaze-balls.  Let's renew/buy a season ticket now"

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almost 12 years ago

At the end of the day this guy is from the Premier League so he must be amaze-balls. I'm definitely renewing my season ticket.

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almost 12 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:

Is it not a bit weird if it is the case that we have signed him without ever seeing him in the flesh, when he is surely still training/playing at the moment and our season has finished? Surely Big Ern or Greenie (or even Greenacre) could have popped over and had a look at him  now before the deal was completed. The optimist in me hopes it is because he had a load of other offers and we had to move quickly, while the pessimist in me thinks the club have found someone cheap and are just hoping everyone goes "premier league? He must be amaze-balls.  Let's renew/buy a season ticket now"

When did Greenie go back home - not that long ago. Complete coaching and a bit of scouting I thought I read on hear.

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almost 12 years ago
Risky signing.. Most premier league youth team players don't get anywhere near playing in the premier league (especially in the worse PL teams where there are less resources to attract the best young players. It would be a completely different story at United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc). A large portion will end up having careers in the conference, league 2 or league 1. Many also don't go on to play professional football.
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Bullion wrote:
reg22 wrote:
Bobobalde wrote:

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current ability 60/200
potential ability -6 (which is 90-120/200)

That's great, just wondering if it's the right guy. His age as quoted in the news is 20 so born 93 or 94 not 92 as in the pic. Not sure what ca/pa are decent for a hal player in the latest fm but a ca around 120 is , better players are 130-140


This pic is from FM 13, and in the future as in 2015. It is him. Stats have hardly improved. 


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almost 12 years ago


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago
Blew.2 wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:

Is it not a bit weird if it is the case that we have signed him without ever seeing him in the flesh, when he is surely still training/playing at the moment and our season has finished? Surely Big Ern or Greenie (or even Greenacre) could have popped over and had a look at him  now before the deal was completed. The optimist in me hopes it is because he had a load of other offers and we had to move quickly, while the pessimist in me thinks the club have found someone cheap and are just hoping everyone goes "premier league? He must be amaze-balls.  Let's renew/buy a season ticket now"

When did Greenie go back home - not that long ago. Complete coaching and a bit of scouting I thought I read on hear.

If Greenie is already back and has seen him a few times, that makes a lot more sense. I would have thought he would have hung round until the end of season do as he would have been in the running for coach of the year. 
I still think that it is very rushed, especially with the fact that I don't imagine the kid will be going anywhere for probably a month 

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
LEO BERTOS:
Smithy wrote:

I remember watching Leo play Chatham Cup for Olympic at the Basin Reserve in the 90s when we were both at Coll. He can be rightly proud of a fine career. And as everyone here has said, he's the nicest guy out. 


He's bought the license for Coerver New Zealand I think, so we might well see a more of him in the future. 

Comes from a humble background too - I used to be involved with Bruce Holloway of Hamilton's "Sitter!" football fanzine in the 1990's to early 2000's and I remember teenage Leo didn't have a pair of boots when he left to trial for Barnsley in England about 15 years ago.

Bruce Holloway bought him a pair with money from "Sitter!" sales. Any proceeds from the fanzine used to be ploughed back into local football causes.

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"BILLY'S BOOTS: Remember Billy Dane? The kid who found an ancient pair of football boots that once belonged to professional footballer Dead-Shot Keen? And how those boots magically enabled Billy to play superbly in Dead-Shot's style?

If you do remember it you'll probably know that Billy's Boots ran for years, beginning in issue one of Scorcher in 1970 (as reviewed here) and continuing seemingly forever in the pages of Tiger. As was the tradition of most comic strips, Billy never aged, remaining approximately 12 years old throughout the decades. This became increasingly bizarre for long term readers but ideal for newer generations to relate to him..."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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Must have been strange for him living in some Dorian Grey world. Watching his friends grow up into adulthood. Watching them move away to jobs or uni, or travel. Friends who find love, settle down, a world he could never have. Almost trapped in time, a broken clock. All for the glory of scoring goals, it all seems so childlike now, but then for Billy it is and always will be childike....

"Why Gran? (see I've done my research), Why can't I ever change?"

Billy looks up at the Sun, clutching his football boots, he raises a child's hand to shield his eyes and is again suprised at how it has changed. Less warm now? Its hard to tell as five hundred thousand years have passed since Billy asked his Grandmother those two simple questions. 

"Gran?" Billy struggles to articulate a word who's meaning have been ravaged by the winds of time. Her very remains long vanished from an earth that has no memory of the cities and peoples of mankind....

 

 

Next weeks edition: Billy Trades his boots in for some Everton-coloured hair pieces that will make him become more and more attractive online through online shopping...

 

 

 

 

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
james dean wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
who on earth is going to have the skinny on this kid, that hasn't been fed to them directly from the club?
Thats kinda what I am getting at. Which must mean he is a real fucking talent and Sunderland have rocks in their head to let him go or he is not the full quid and this is a stupid signing.


I'm very wary of signing a player who has never played senior football - I've seen the U21 league and I don't really rate the standard


Actually the more I think about it the worse it gets.  Paul Ifill was a Sunderland senior player, we're now looking at Sunderland U21s.  #welnix

Reading this article, I get the impression Greenacre jacked it up when talking to his mate (on the phone or in person isn't clear) who's on the coaching staff at Sunderland u-21 (former Tranmere team-mate Stockdale) who recommended Gorrin to Greenacre after he asked if Sunderland had any decent players:


http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/wellingtonphoenix/news-display/merrick-adds-more-spanish-flavour-to-midfield/89911

"Assistant coach Chris Greenacre played a major role in acquiring the services of Gorrin who spurned an approach from La Liga’s Tenerife to join Premier League Sunderland’s Academy in 2011.

Greenacre played alongside Sunderland’s assistant under-21 coach Robbie Stockdale for four years at Tranmere Rovers and the pair have stayed in regular contact.

“We were chatting one day and I asked if there was anyone available who was worth looking at,” Greenacre said.

“He told me about Alex and said he was surprised they were going to let him go.
“Robbie said a couple of Championship clubs had made enquiries and that if we were keen to get in touch with Alex.”

Merrick said he was delighted to sign Gorrin who was just the type of player the club was looking for.

“He isn’t the finished article but was knocking on the first team door,” Merrick said.

“Twenty year olds aren’t going to break into the Premier League too often, especially when a team is fighting against relegation as Sunderland are this season.

“We want players who can grow with the club and Alex fits into that category.

“I’ve watched his coaching videos, which Sunderland were kind enough to share with us, and was impressed. I also like it when a coach recommends a player rather than an agent.

“He is technically very good, has a good engine and is good at winning the ball, passing and retaining it. You could say he is a young version of Albert Riera.
“Alex can play a range of roles including getting forward if the goals he scored against Liverpool and Fulham reserves are anything to go by.”



 We get highlights now in NZ (sometimes extended) of the u-21 reserve league on the various club channels on Sommet Sports and Sky Sport.

Funnily enough Man City TV on Sky Sports this week showed highlights of Man City u-21 routing Sunderland u-21 6-2.

Sunderland u-21 obviously pretty crap in that game, though they scored one well-taken goal (and one Man City own-goal).

However the top u-21 sides like Chelsea, the two Manchester sides and Arsenal are pretty good and played in the UEFA Youth League (for the youth teams of Champions League sides) this season against the best u-21 sides on the Continent. Saw some footage of Arsenal u-21 playing Bill Tuiloma's Marseilles u-21 and the standard was good. Players like Serge Gnabry who also made Arsenal's first team.

Over-age first teamers like Altidore and Celutska have been getting a run with Sunderland u-21 lately.

Gorrin played his first game for Sunderland u-21 for a while after injury in Thursday night's 2-1 home defeat in injury time to West Ham u-21 in their last game of the season:

http://www.safc.com/news/reserves-and-academy/2014/april/late-defeat-for-u21s

"Mandron almost re-established Sunderland’s advantage on the hour, but Howes saved well with his legs after the striker was fed by Alex Gorrin."

Gorrin's great goal v Fulham u-21 April 2013 (it's the second Sunderland goal & last of the match):

the 35 yard "wonder goal":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6T5Fo7Gs_Y

Report on that match - James Musa played for Fulham u-21:

http://www.fulhamfc.com/under-21s/2012_2013/league/phase-2/home/sunderland

Alejandro Gorrin profile on Sunderland AFC website:

http://www.safc.com/players-and-staff/under-21s/alejandro-gorrin




Sunderland guaranteed to finish either 7th or 8th in the 22 team u-21 Premier League and so have qualified for the new Div. One of the u-21 league for next season - it will be split into two divisions for next season. The league includes the u-21 sides of both Premier League and Championship teams, including Chris Wood's Leicester u-21 for whom he played several games this season.

The top four teams play-off. Three over-age outfield players allowed each game. 

Latest table (top eleven of twenty-two sides):

NATIONAL GROUPPOSCLUBPWDLGFGAGDPTS
1 Liverpool U21 21 13 3 5 55 30 25 42
2 Chelsea U21 19 11 5 3 43 23 20 38
3 Fulham U21 21 11 5 5 38 30 8 38
4 Man Utd U21 20 10 6 4 31 16 15 36
5 Southampton U21 21 11 3 7 35 30 5 36
6 Man City U21 19 11 2 6 46 25 21 35
7 Sunderland U21 21 10 5 6 39 32 7 35
8 Leicester U21 20 10 4 6 34 28 6 34
9 West Ham U21 21 10 3 8 34 32 2 33
10 Everton U21 21 8 6 7 28 29 -1 30
11 Norwich U21 20 8 4 8 33 29 4 28
SUNDERLAND U-21'S VIDEOS:

6-2 loss v Man City u-21 31/3/14: 

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/citytv/match-highlights/2014/march/city-eds-v-sunderland-match-highlights

All videos:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sunderland+afc+u-21


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almost 12 years ago

He's got big ears ... though not big enough to get himself lifted up by a gust of wind ...

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almost 12 years ago

Im still shocked that Leo was dropped, sure he did sick all this season but I always pictured him playing for us to retirement.

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almost 12 years ago
blazer37 wrote:

Im still shocked that Leo was dropped, sure he did sick all this season but I always pictured him playing for us to retirement.



Might be time to retire. Can't see anyone offering another A-League contract can you?
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almost 12 years ago
Chopper wrote:
blazer37 wrote:

Im still shocked that Leo was dropped, sure he did sick all this season but I always pictured him playing for us to retirement.



Might be time to retire. Can't see anyone offering another A-League contract can you?


No I can't,   but you never know.

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almost 12 years ago

I could see him going and playing in a random Asian league - Thailand, India, Singapore etc

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almost 12 years ago

I watched some I League games when I was in India recently. Simon Colosimo's over there and and a young ex-Victory player whose name escapes me, both doing very well. Leo would slot comfortably into that league I'm sure.

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almost 12 years ago
Outpost wrote:

I watched some I League games when I was in India recently. Simon Colosimo's over there and and a young ex-Victory player whose name escapes me, both doing very well. Leo would slot comfortably into that league I'm sure.


Matthew Foschini iirc
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almost 12 years ago
Chopper wrote:
blazer37 wrote:

Im still shocked that Leo was dropped, sure he did sick all this season but I always pictured him playing for us to retirement.



Might be time to retire. Can't see anyone offering another A-League contract can you?
His mrs said "goodbye wellies" on twitter and tagged him in. Could mean he's off somewhere. Or he's off on holiday...

Allegedly

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almost 12 years ago

Great stalking Tegal but could just be the long weekend lol.

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almost 12 years ago

Yeah I'd say so. Wild speculation and reading too much into thing is what this thread is for isn't it? :p


Allegedly

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almost 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Yeah I'd say so. Wild speculation and reading too much into thing is what this thread is for isn't it? :p


This. 
On that note, I saw Stein in the international departure terminal yesterday afternoon. He's now in either Sydney or Melbourne. Read in to that what you will...
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almost 12 years ago

Stalking Princess Kate and her blokes?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Yeah I'd say so. Wild speculation and reading too much into thing is what this thread is for isn't it? :p


This. 

On that note, I saw Stein in the international departure terminal yesterday afternoon. He's now in either Sydney or Melbourne. Read in to that what you will...

My guess is finalizing a contract with the Victory....

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almost 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Yeah I'd say so. Wild speculation and reading too much into thing is what this thread is for isn't it? :p


This. 

On that note, I saw Stein in the international departure terminal yesterday afternoon. He's now in either Sydney or Melbourne. Read in to that what you will...

My guess is finalizing a contract with the Victory....
Wasn't it reported that he was flying back to Belgium this week?
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almost 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Yeah I'd say so. Wild speculation and reading too much into thing is what this thread is for isn't it? :p


This. 

On that note, I saw Stein in the international departure terminal yesterday afternoon. He's now in either Sydney or Melbourne. Read in to that what you will...

My guess is finalizing a contract with the Victory....
Wasn't it reported that he was flying back to Belgium this week?
Was just going to post this, he is supposed to be heading back to Belgium. 
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almost 12 years ago

 

 


For good?

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almost 12 years ago

I'm picking Brisbane as his next home for 2 years.

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almost 12 years ago
2ndBest wrote:

I'm picking Brisbane as his next home for 2 years.

This also really scares me, in the Brisbane team he could score some goals.
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almost 12 years ago

He'd be a bit part player at the roar. Another ?soldardo? I cant see him going there.

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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almost 12 years ago
I would have taken soldardo over stein any day of the week



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almost 12 years ago

He has been talked about as being a very good professional, rarely injured, can score goals and has an international pedigree (as well as sight seen to all the clubs) I'd bet on Brisbane as well now they have a vacancy up top. Won't be Melbourne. Why would he sit behind Archie, Kosta and Berisha?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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