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Costa / Greenacre

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can't keep listening to excuses about Greenacre forever. It's not everybody elses fault except Greenacre's every time he doesn't do anything. Don't forget that we have dominated possession and territory in a few games and he still hasn't looked dangerous.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Royal wrote:

Michael wrote:
I'm reading many whom want Costa to start for his obvious impact.

I disagree, he came on, had some good runs from halfwayish, scored his goal, then floated away.

Greenacre, although not always the obvious ball handler, off the ball work actually creates space, and gives the likes of Brown room to move.

My two cents. Imo, Costa, And Greenacre should be starting with Ifill behind them or something.
Don't you disagree with Costa starting then say you'd start him?


I know it sounds contradictive, ut what I'm saying is Greenacre is a better player than Costa, so Costa should not start over Greenacre.

Anyway, if you've ever seen a training session, or just have a keen eye, you'll notice Greenacre's and Ifill's ball control, vision, fitness and finishing is light years above everyone else. Greenacre simply hasn't scored by bad luck, that will change. We had the same arguments about Brown, then he started getting some in. (Not that Brown and Greenacre can really be compared)Michael2009-11-03 18:20:00
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
[/QUOTE] he is the best finisher in the whole bloody squad.
[/QUOTE] yet daniel takes penalty kicks

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I  think the problem with Greenacre is the expectation has been higher than reality. When he signed he was hailed as a good pro who has score lots of goals in Div1 in England, which is true.

 His Tranmere record looks good 46 goals in 146 games, which is about a goal every three games. This is not far off what he has done for the Phoenix...3 goals in 12 games...a goal every 4 games.
Between 2002 and 2005 he scored 7 goals in 75 games for Stoke...which is not that flash.
 
Both Ifill and Greenacre have said that the A-League is a comparable standard to top of Div 1.
So we  got a player who was on the outer at Tranmere, at the end of his time at a level no better than the A-League.
 
I think with Greenacre what you see is what you get. A great guy, smart,hardworking, good attitude. But at 32 time has caught up with him. Playing all those games in the UK...all the knocks and injuries have taken there toll and he is not as sharp as he might have been a few years ago.
 
Its got nothing to do with luck or blaming everyone else....what you see is what we've got
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Actually what I remember Ifill saying about the A League is that the standard fluctuates wildly: it can be as good as C'ship/Div 1 one minute and total amateur stuff the next.
 
I think a lot of people just assumed that because Greenacre and Ifill were English pros they would naturally form a good partnership, yet time has shown they haven't and they probably wont.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scoop wrote:
I Like Costa coming on. I just don't know how he would handle a full game. Perhaps a chance to give him a game this Wednesday as the commentator said. 
 
 
Start him and find out. He is in his 3rd season now, he is not a baby anymore
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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StopOut wrote:
Actually what I remember Ifill saying about the A League is that the standard fluctuates wildly: it can be as good as C'ship/Div 1 one minute and total amateur stuff the next.
 
I think a lot of people just assumed that because Greenacre and Ifill were English pros they would naturally form a good partnership, yet time has shown they haven't and they probably wont.
 
 
I think what Ifill actually said was that there were some players in the A-League who were Championship or good Div1 level and some players were only amateur level.
 
They both said A-League was comparable to Div 1.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
But i did it in football manager and won 4-0. Ive only seen him play 30mins this season,but have watched him in football manager for hours and he forms a GREAT partnership with Ifill.
 
We should all pitch in and buy ricki a copy of FM10 so he can learn,rather than waste his time watching the players train every day.
Tegal2009-11-03 21:54:24

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think the Mcbreen/Fowler partnership just proves Ifill's point. Mr_Incredible2009-11-03 21:59:17
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Tegal wrote:
But i did it in football manager and won 4-0. Ive only seen him play 30mins this season,but have watched him in football manager for hours and he forms a GREAT partnership with Ifill.
 
 
FIFA should start using FM for coaching Accreditation.
Mr_Incredible2009-11-03 22:00:09
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They were bloody good tonight. End of thread?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Costa pwns.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Both had very good games

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Costa > Greenacre purely on last night's efforts.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Costa's touch to set up Greenacre's goal was sensational.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Costa > Greenacre purely on last night's efforts.


yet who put the ball in the net? complementary characters methinks


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Costa > Greenacre purely on last night's efforts.

Let's see costa up front by himself, two defenders on him all game and the pillock midfield sending high balls to him most of the time and see how he'd go.

I'd say Greeny went close as often as Costa and the two combined well for that great goal.

No fair comparison there.  Both needed.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
442 giving costa rave reviews. Mention his pace causing problems. wheres the guys who said he wasnt good enough now?

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think anyone said he wasn't good enough, however people were questioning what basis others were rating costa so highly on considering how little time he has spent on the park.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think they work well as a patnership. Bertos should now have to work his way back into the team.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yeh - absolutly loving him getting the chance and playing so well.  And looking like another regular kiwi starter in the squad.

just think that he's getting his opportunity in a system that supports him, unlike greenacre who was asked to manage three of the opposition back four by himself

to be fair to smithy Costa I'd admit has better pace and showed some great touches, just Costa > Greenacre seems a bit simplistic to me.  We need both and I think they are somewhat complementary to each other (appart from both being on the small side).
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
costas like a wee bullterrier chasing the ball around everywhere. he should have scored last night but had more highs than lows. certainly better than brownlie,coveny,chen or anyone else we've had to endure thus far

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
they are 2 totally different styles of strikers.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Play them together.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it seemed as though both were heavily in the game last night. that was the most i had seen greenacre do most of the season (i can't get to games so i have to watch on tv) and costa seemed to be everywhere.
playing both up front seemed to be the combo we have been looking for this season
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree Costa was like a terrier chasing balls around most of the night - he needs to learn to make runs for a purpose - often he was running into th same space Greenie was moving too closing the space Ifill was attacking on edge of 18 yard area.

Will come with experience I suppose where he learns to play with his head as much as his feet.

Agree - Class flick on for Greenie.


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Torne wrote:
Play them together.
Terrible idea
You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree Costa was like a terrier chasing balls around most of the night - he needs to learn to make runs for a purpose - often he was running into th same space Greenie was moving too closing the space Ifill was attacking on edge of 18 yard area.

Will come with experience I suppose where he learns to play with his head as much as his feet.

Agree - Class flick on for Greenie.


to be expected considering his gametime or lack of.

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oska wrote:
Torne wrote:
Play them together.
Terrible idea


Seemed to work last night. Or it seemed to work well in my mind.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Costa > Greenacre purely on last night's efforts.


Stupid call, sorry.

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I honostly believe any other member of the team would've missed Greenacre's goal. Composure ftw... except that Penalty.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've been thinking for a while its about time we unleashed Costa properly, and in the last game and a bit he's done really really well.  I think he deserves at least another couple of starts alongside Greenacre to see how the two get along up front.  Early signs are very very good though!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who drops out for him though? I wouldnt start him all the time,and would still tend to bring him off the bench if we need a spark.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
take your pick, costa up front is the way forward. Leo certainly hasnt outplayed him in recent weeks. heck a guy finally gets a start, sets up 2 goals and has 5-6 shots on goal after scoring in his last 15min cameo and hes back on the bench?bringbacksmeltz2009-11-06 23:58:19

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hes outplayed him all season though. unfair comparison being as Leo didnt really play last week. Leo will be better having had a rest. Off the bench with the occasional start me thinks.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yet its fair saying that when costas started once and made 2-3 bench cameos?  leave him on the bench and someone else will grab him for next season.

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I say costa continues to start and it's leo's turn to earn his way back into the team. It's only fair... if leo comes on for the last 15 and scores/sets up a goal then give him a start, just like what costa did. What has he done in the last month? certainly outshined by ifill, greenacre, costa and daniel in our four attacking positions paulm2009-11-07 00:18:53
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It also depends on Costa's stamina. He was tiring towards the end of the last game. It may be best to have him run himself ragged in the first half and bring Greenie on for the second.
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