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de jong opinion on dodd

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
de jong opinion on dodd
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Agree with De Jong. First touch was non existant, passing was a lottery, too slow to track teir midfield runs, tackling not up to much and was generally outjumped for the high ball. This was not just a bad day for Dodds he really just does not have what it takes to be a quality defensive midfielder. Surprised Ricky was not watching the same game otherwise Johnson would have been on much earlier. Dodds has an important place in the squad as a back up centreback.
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Man_utd_fan wrote:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/2012624
cant believe it was on one news website


Can't believe it? One News is the home for rubbish comment!! Where else would you put comments like these?
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
God i get bored even reading what hes saying.
 
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whitby fever wrote:
Agree with De Jong. First touch was non existant, passing was a lottery, too slow to track teir midfield runs, tackling not up to much and was generally outjumped for the high ball. This was not just a bad day for Dodds he really just does not have what it takes to be a quality defensive midfielder. Surprised Ricky was not watching the same game otherwise Johnson would have been on much earlier. Dodds has an important place in the squad as a back up centreback.
 
Absolutely spot on.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
definatly not his better game, but he had done pretty well in the pre- seasons
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Johnson should be first choice, keep Dodd on the bench.
He can cover in the event of injuries to backs or Johnson/Ferrante.
That said, I'd like to see a place for Sigmund too ...

TVNZ haters, remember a leopard can change its spots ...
(oops, wrong cliche!)
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dairyflat wrote:
Man_utd_fan wrote:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/2012624
cant believe it was on one news website


Can't believe it? One News is the home for rubbish comment!! Where else would you put comments like these?
 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree I don't think Dodd or Ferrente had a great games but I question the workrate of of Bertos, Daniel and Kwassie in proving them many outlets hence the overuse of the long ball - Daniel and Bertos workrate on defence is not great, I think they could have done more to provide outlet options - Roar had 5 man midfield that were running Dodd and Ferrente ragged, they were too knaffed to play much football
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I've never rated Dodd that highly but that said I can't fault him for effort and considering the availability of match fit alternatives Ricki probably made the right call given he probably can't predict the future.

However, I think Doddy should have been under orders that when he got the ball he was not to pass it to anyone more than 10 metres away. Plus, and more importantly, his follow midfielders should have been under orders to come running and make themselves available whenever he got the ball. Haven't we all played in teams with guys of differing abilities.

I felt while watching the game his team mates could of helped him out a lot more than they did and because they didn't his confidence went the same way as the temperature.


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Corkster wrote:
I've never rated Dodd that highly but that said I can't fault him for effort and considering the availability of match fit alternatives Ricki probably made the right call given he probably can't predict the future.

However, I think Doddy should have been under orders that when he got the ball he was not to pass it to anyone more than 10 metres away. Plus, and more importantly, his follow midfielders should have been under orders to come running and make themselves available whenever he got the ball. Haven't we all played in teams with guys of differing abilities.

I felt while watching the game his team mates could of helped him out a lot more than they did and because they didn't his confidence went the same way as the temperature.


I agree with that - it is great Ricki wants to play 3 attacking midfielders and someone like Dodd or Johnson are a great foil for that - in the end that role is one of a stopper and distributer - our ball players should be demanding the simple ball off them and do what they do best - the potential is there to work bloody well - a bit of time needed and may consistancy of selection?
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Bevan wrote:
Johnson should be first choice, keep Dodd on the bench.
He can cover in the event of injuries to backs or Johnson/Ferrante.
That said, I'd like to see a place for Sigmund too ...

TVNZ haters, remember a leopard can change its spots ...
(oops, wrong cliche!)


yeah but then Johnson will have a bad game, and everyone will be "Johnson sucks"...blah blah same as last year, stupid scapegoat sh*t
I like tautologies because I like them.
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I think that Dodd could have had a better game with Johnson beside him as opposed to Ferrante. Johnson is alot more of a talker where as Ferrante is quiet. I think that Dodd needed someone alongside of him to talk to him and tell what needed to be done 'hold there, track across etc' 
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Agent 47 wrote:
I think that Dodd could have had a better game with Johnson beside him as opposed to Ferrante. Johnson is alot more of a talker where as Ferrante is quiet. I think that Dodd needed someone alongside of him to talk to him and tell what needed to be done 'hold there, track across etc' 
 
Yep, I'd try that idea (Johnson and Dodd) and or Johnson and Ferrante.
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Agent 47 wrote:
I think that Dodd could have had a better game with Johnson beside him as opposed to Ferrante. Johnson is alot more of a talker where as Ferrante is quiet. I think that Dodd needed someone alongside of him to talk to him and tell what needed to be done 'hold there, track across etc' 
 
I think Durante and McKain would be doing plenty of that behind him - or they should be!
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Bevan wrote:
Johnson should be first choice, keep Dodd on the bench.
He can cover in the event of injuries to backs or Johnson/Ferrante.
 
Johnson can't last a half let alone start
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I said from day 1 when i heard they were looking to convert Dodd that it was the wrong move. He doesn't have the pace, passing ability and touch required.

Johnson would be a much better bet, he mightn't have the pace, but he plays that position and knows where he needs to be...

I hope RH comes to his senses. Dodd should be a backup central defender.

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Dodd needs to be in the backs somewhere, back up cb seems about right, Johnson or Brown are the best bets for the DM role along with ferrante!

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ricki still isn't very good with his sub use. Should've brought on Johnson much earlier.

a.haak

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Karl Dodd isnt a midfielder so shouldnt play in midfield....simple as that.

He isnt good enough in midfield.
 
I would like to see Ferrante play Defensive mid with Kwasnik, Gao, Daniel and Leo in a midfield four in front of him.
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We would torment oppositions with that line-up. Although I'd prefer Kwasnik got further forward with Smeltz in that instance and revert to a 4-1-3-2

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
De Jong is a w**ker!! But a w**ker with a point. Dodd was unimpressive in the pre-season game i saw and yesterday he stalled any momentum we had going forward. with the defensive midfield options we have (Brown, johnson and Mulligan), Dodd should be benched. Which is a shame because he is a great centre back as he showed in the pre-season cup final but he is not good enough to play there and i dont know what ricki is thinking
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dodd had a poor game and the Roar had dominance in the mid which attributed to the long ball style of game.  Smeltz was superb at holding the ball up though.  Whats the word on Lei lei?
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Pudleypool wrote:
Dodd had a poor game and the Roar had dominance in the mid which attributed to the long ball style of game.  Smeltz was superb at holding the ball up though.  Whats the word on Lei lei?
I thought Doddy had a great game for the Roar, I think i counted 1 good pass all game from him, he plays much better in defence, although it was prob pre season jitters.
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Pudleypool wrote:
Dodd had a poor game and the Roar had dominance in the mid which attributed to the long ball style of game.  Smeltz was superb at holding the ball up though.  Whats the word on Lei lei?
I thought Doddy had a great game for the Roar, I think i counted 1 good pass all game from him, he plays much better in defence, although it was prob pre season jitters.
 
Pete i hope you are joking, I don't think he even got off one pass! - Dodd was cr*pa and should be hard pushed to make starting lineup this Sunday. Talking of which you going to pick me up again
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
First of all, saying Dodd is crap and that he can't pass is a bit of an exaggeration. He's had the odd wayward one here and there and there was that swing and miss against the Roar. However he has also made some fantastic passes that many of you either haven't noticed or have paid a blind eye to.

Here's a good example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfEczsPA0mk

and another angle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo7lCSApOdY&NR=1

The fantastic crossfield ball that picks out Bertos, whose resulting cross allows Daniel to head home the 1 - 0 winner against CCM was played by... Dodd! He had some nice passes of similar nature against the Roar as well, you guys are just overlooking them.

I might give him one more game to impress, you have to have faith in your players and I believe he does have something to offer at DMC once he gets the hang of the position. Can understand the desire to switch to Johnson as well, and that could be a go, he hasn't looked too bad so far, but I don't think he is going to magically solve all of our problems. Basically, stop overreacting, and no need to completely sl*g off your own players. Dodd has served the Phoenix fantastically so far and is just giving this position his best shot.
KTBW2008-08-20 15:53:56
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Yugoboss wrote:

Karl Dodd isnt a midfielder so shouldnt play in midfield....simple as that.

He isnt good enough in midfield.
 
I would like to see Ferrante play Defensive mid with Kwasnik, Gao, Daniel and Leo in a midfield four in front of him.


Kwasnik isn't a defensive midfielder so shouldn't play as one....simple as that.
valeo2008-08-20 17:31:20

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
seriously people - first game and the Phoenix drew. They could have lost but they didn't and every other game i watched in the A-league was the same. A very poor weekend of performance from players and teams with very few solid performances.

Every player will play poorly over the next 2 or 3 rounds and then the teams will settle down and we will start to see better performances. Dont call players crap until they are crap for at least 3 weeks.
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valeo wrote:


Yugoboss wrote:

Karl Dodd isnt a midfielder so shouldnt play in midfield....simple as that.


He isnt good enough in midfield.

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I would like to see Ferrante play Defensive mid with Kwasnik, Gao, Daniel and Leo in a midfield four in front of him.
Kwasnik isn't a defensive midfielder so shouldn't play as one....simple as that.

I think he was suggested a 4-1-4-1, not Kwasnik as DM.

But that formation has no ball winner. Just a passer. To be successful, it needs both in front of the defenders, which is why Dodd/Johnson/Brown and Ferrante are played there.
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KTBW wrote:
First of all, saying Dodd is crap and that he can't pass is a bit of an exaggeration.
 
KTBW - For the record i said he played crap, i didn't say he is crap and i didn't say he can't pass i said he didn't get off any passes.
 
Justr for clarity
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Well said NZCopley, people are entitled to an opinion and other people should'nt jump the gun!!
and for the record mate i wont be picking you up on Sunday, thats Sweeney's turn (or his Missus'), cos i,m getting on the lash, well untill i spend my $50 pocket money!!!
WELLARD!!!
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yomcat wrote:
valeo wrote:


Yugoboss wrote:

Karl Dodd isnt a midfielder so shouldnt play in midfield....simple as that.


He isnt good enough in midfield.

 

I would like to see Ferrante play Defensive mid with Kwasnik, Gao, Daniel and Leo in a midfield four in front of him.
Kwasnik isn't a defensive midfielder so shouldn't play as one....simple as that.

I think he was suggested a 4-1-4-1, not Kwasnik as DM.

But that formation has no ball winner. Just a passer. To be successful, it needs both in front of the defenders, which is why Dodd/Johnson/Brown and Ferrante are played there.


Yeah read it wrong. Too many attacking midfielders anyway.

a.haak

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Best form of defence is attack! Score more goals than your opposition.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pudleypool wrote:
Whats the word on Lei lei?

Gao wasn't actually injured last weekend.  He just wanted to watch the Olympics.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mo one has mentioned Tim Brown? he is written off?


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Lonegunmen wrote:
Best form of defence is attack! Score more goals than your opposition.


it wasn't last season...
I like tautologies because I like them.
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martinb wrote:
mo one has mentioned Tim Brown? he is written off?
 
 The prof, xcellent, Yomcat  -surely one of those 3 would take the count of mentions of Timmo above "no-one"
 
 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
its not just his passing with that touch hed b lucky to dominate the midfield in the central league. Should be nothing more than backup.
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