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2ndBest wrote:
you not seen the back page of the dom post today?
 
Yes, I have. What's that got to do with whether the story I was commenting on was a good story or not? I wasn't saying everything is milk and honey, and that the Phoenix and the Dom Post were now best mates...  I was just commenting, for balance's sake, that that story was upbeat, positive and a good read. If we ONLY mention the ones that support the "They hate the Nix and have an agenda"  and ignore the supportive, positive stories, well then the "They hate the Nix and have an agenda" line is going to be a self fulfilling prophecy, isn't it?
bwtcf2010-11-29 13:52:18

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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bwtcf wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
you not seen the back page of the dom post today?

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Yes, I have. What's that got to do with whether the story I was commenting on was a good story or not? I wasn't saying everything is milk and honey, and that the Phoenix and the Dom Post were now best mates... �I was just commenting, for balance's sake, that that story was upbeat, positive and a good read. If we ONLY mention the ones that support the "They hate the Nix and have an agenda"� and ignore the supportive, positive stories, well then the "They hate the Nix and have an agenda" line is going to be a self fulfilling prophecy, isn't it?


Without reading further than your opening sentence. Well second sentence. 2nd best was referring to the comment below yours that said "finally a story about the football, not the finances."Luis Garcia2010-11-29 15:04:01
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^This
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2ndBest wrote:
^This
 
Okay, fair enough, my misinterpretation. Without a quote it was hard to know for sure. I thought 2ndBest was commenting that it was back to the muck raking and negativity...
 
All good.
bwtcf2010-11-29 15:25:54

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Johnathan should be in India reporting on the top NZ Cricket Team, but that wouldn't sell many papers...but it is a sport he nows something about...I THINK......and Sam hardly ever picks the Phoenix to win in his "top class" picks and Stories so that shows his true colours [this info supplied by my wife]...Can do with without both these ...just don't buy the paper .....not worth the money anyway
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2ndBest wrote:
Herbert quiet on claims of late payment <!-- google_ad_section_end(name=storyline) --> SAM WORTHINGTON - The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 29/11/2010
 
Wellington Phoenix coach Ricki Herbert has declined to hose down a report that he is not being paid on time by Terry Serepisos.

A Herald on Sunday story yesterday claimed that Herbert had not been paid for several weeks as Phoenix owner Serepisos struggles to pay his bills.

Last Thursday, Herbert was asked by The New Zealand Herald if his payments had ever been late.

Herbert replied "no" but yesterday neither he nor Phoenix media manager John Mitchell would comment on the report, which said Herbert was comfortable with the situation because of his loyalty to Serepisos.

Interim Phoenix chief executive Nathan Greenham could not be reached for comment yesterday.

The Dominion Post revealed this month that the Inland Revenue Department has begun court action to liquidate five of Serepisos' companies, including Century City Football, which owns the Phoenix, over $3.58 million in unpaid taxes and penalties.

Among the money the tax department is seeking to recoup is unpaid Phoenix players' PAYE and KiwiSaver contributions. Concerns over Serepisos' financial stability are an unwelcome distraction for Herbert and the Phoenix, who are seventh in the A-League following their 2-2 draw with Melbourne Victory at Westpac Stadium on Saturday night. They fly to Sydney today to prepare for a clash with Sydney FC on Wednesday night.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4400006/Herbert-quiet-on-claims-of-late-payment
This is a piece of crap gutter jounalism. Its a beat up, a non story. They must be short of stories if they have to right shiite like that.
 
IT starts with "...Herbert has declined to hose down a report that he has not been paid on time by Terry Serepisos"
 
Then a few lines later it reads...."Last Thursday Herbert was asked by The NZ Herald if his payments had ever been late. herbert replied "No".."
 
It then goes on to say that Herbert declined to comment on the report(NZ Herald)
 
So the whole thing is a NON story. Its lazy crap journalism when you make up something that relates to another papers item. The story becomes a no comment about a quoted denial of a non payment that never happened.
 
Obviously the Doom Post want to keep this simmering. The sooner the IRD court case is over and the sooner Terry sorts this out or is sorted out by the IRD the better. Then we can get back to reading football stories about football.
 
You can see why Rickie would not comment.....why would you? He said no to the NZ herald...so end of story. Why does he have to rehash this with every journo.
 
 
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are youg guys so naive that you think that the dompost and the herald, 2 of the biggest dailies in NZ would run this story if they weren"t 100% sure on it? seriously, come on...

Normo's coming home

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Yeah, because reputable papers have never run anything that wasn't true to sell more copies

Agree that it's unlikely both papers did it without any sources

Doesn't really make sense that the players and all of the other staff would be paid but not Ricki, though.valeo2010-11-29 22:21:46

a.haak

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Might be bit naive but im certainly not naive enough to think that everything written in those papers is always the truth. ballane2010-11-29 22:15:15

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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ballane wrote:

Might be bit naive but im certainly not naive enough to think that everything written in those papers is always the truth.


You are spot on.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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I think if it was not true, then Ricki and/or the Nix would have been demanding an apology. Maybe it will be demanded tomorrow, but I doubt it.

So I am assuming it is correct and Ricki is being very lenient with his boss. Very generous of him, cant think of many who would accept that situation


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Has anyone got footage of Brown's "f**k You Dom Post" celebration?
You know we belong together...

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I'm going to download the game highlights then re up the celebration to youtube.

CboZ2010-12-03 12:38:53
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Where from?
You know we belong together...

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acrossthetasman.comCboZ2010-12-04 01:21:10
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i'd rather read the herald!!!!

I LOVE LAMP

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I'd rather read about the Phoenix on this forum from the people who know and love (sometimes love/hate) the Nix than some w*nker with a back page column who's upset his phone call and emails haven't been returned. Grow some you nonce.
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Sam Worthnothing's comments on last night's game.
Melbourne was without three of their best players - Robbie Kruse (Socceroos), Archie Thompson (hamstring) and inspirational skipper Kevin Muscat (rested) - giving their team a far less daunting appearance.

I didnt think Paul Ifill, Mark Paston or Jade North contributed much last night either.
Plonker

We're Forever Causing Trouble

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Yeh, the NZ Herld is more positive!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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And what about where he describes our football as sparkling? Our a "sumptuous display from boy wonder Rojas"?

Honestly, lighten up.
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*takes one quote from an entire article and has a cry about it*
 
They were without three of their top players,not only in their team but some of the best in the league.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
 
They were without three of their top players,not only in their team but some of the best in the league.
 
ditto for us
 
 
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And it was much the same in the Newcastle game. They were missing a heap of players but so were we.
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OK, I'll bite.  Herald stories (one immediately after and Terry M's today) much better.
 
Stuff's title - Nix too good for understrength Victory - rather deprecating of the players' performances.
 
Junior822011-01-06 13:19:26

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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I do not expect any newspaper journalist to do the job of publicity manager for the club, but one would think that, given the time this guy has been given with our club and its players, and that he is the reporter for the local rag, that he would at least provide balance to his stories, even if he  doesnt want to go overboard and actually look through rose tinted glasses.
Anyone listening to the Aussie cricket commentators. Are they giving the Aussie team heaps. No, because this is their team in their town, and most of those who listen are their supporters.

We're Forever Causing Trouble

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paulm wrote:
Tegal wrote:
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They were without three of their top players,not only in their team but some of the best in the league.

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ditto for us

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Ifill yes. North is average,vuko is similar to Paston. So isn't a very fair thing to say.

Allegedly

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paulm wrote:
Tegal wrote:
 
They were without three of their top players,not only in their team but some of the best in the league.
 
ditto for us
 
 
 
Yeah. Maybe. But:
 
North - in and out of the team, never been a regular since he got here. Hasn't exactly shone. Back four has actually looked more solid without him
 
Paston - Good keeper, replaced by an equally good keeper
 
So I hardly think we were in the same boat as they were.
 
Big fuss about nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This paranoia about the Dom Post is getting stupid.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Agreed ^^

Blatantly ignoring the rest if the article,that was largely positive too.

Melbourne were understrength,they pointed that out,while going on to say how amazing we played. Tegal2011-01-06 13:27:42

Allegedly

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Personally I don't care anymore.  It seems like the Nix have cleared the air with Mr Millmow et al so that is good.
 
I've long since stopped buying the paper so don't feel like I'm wasting money on it.
 
But still think that the Herald's coverage is better.  Maybe if Fred W was still here...
 
 
Junior822011-01-06 13:32:47

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Junior82 wrote:
Personally I don't care anymore.  It seems like the Nix have cleared the air with Mr Millmow et al so that is good.
 
I've long since stopped buying the paper so don't feel like I'm wasting money on it.
 
But still think that the Herald's coverage is better.  Maybe if Fred W was still here...
 
 
 
I like the coverage the Nix get in the Herald.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I like the match commentaries on 107 fm during the game.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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They still had Danny Allsopp. Just as good as Robbie Kruse or Archie Thompson. Still had Carlos Hernandez, last year's MVP. Kevin Muscat is sh*t, he's just a bully on the pitch, no real skill. I wouldn't play up the "weakened Victory." Especially when we are missing Paul Ifill and a Socceroo regular.
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Luis Garcia wrote:
They still had Danny Allsopp. Just as good as Robbie Kruse or Archie Thompson. Still had Carlos Hernandez, last year's MVP. Kevin Muscat is sh*t, he's just a bully on the pitch, no real skill. I wouldn't play up the "weakened Victory." Especially when we are missing Paul Ifill and a Socceroo regular.
 
No. On second thoughts, I won't bother.
 
 
Jag2011-01-06 13:54:10

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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uiron wrote:
I do not expect any newspaper journalist to do the job of publicity manager for the club, but one would think that, given the time this guy has been given with our club and its players, and that he is the reporter for the local rag, that he would at least provide balance to his stories, even if he  doesnt want to go overboard and actually look through rose tinted glasses.
Anyone listening to the Aussie cricket commentators. Are they giving the Aussie team heaps. No, because this is their team in their town, and most of those who listen are their supporters.
100% spot on!!!
I don't necessarily want to read balanced reporting when it come to reading about my team in my city in my daily newpaper. FFS nobody in melbourne is going to read the Doompost match report so why should it have be balanced.....its not an article about an election or a bank robbery.
Who reads articles in the paper about football? answer....people who are interested in football.
 
When I read the sports section of the DP I don't read anything from obscure sports I am not interested in like rugby or syncronised swimming. people who are not interested in football don't tend to read football match reports so therefore the Dom CAN be pharocrial about the Nix.
 
Anyway the article was unbalanced coz they should have said the Nix were missing three of their best players as well.
 
Actually this is not a biggy.....but I still think Fred Woodcock was a heaps better football journalist than Sam Worthlessington or Jonathon Dildo
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Luis Garcia wrote:
They still had Danny Allsopp. Just as good as Robbie Kruse or Archie Thompson. Still had Carlos Hernandez, last year's MVP. Kevin Muscat is sh*t, he's just a bully on the pitch, no real skill. I wouldn't play up the "weakened Victory." Especially when we are missing Paul Ifill and a Socceroo regular.


The same Danny Allsopp that hasn't played for months and only just got back? Not comparable, really.

They were missing Sukha too.

The biggest factor though, in my opinion, was the tactical stuff up by Ernie Merrick to play Pondeljak at full back.valeo2011-01-07 19:07:24

a.haak

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Tegal wrote:
Agreed ^^

Blatantly ignoring the rest if the article,that was largely positive too.

Melbourne were understrength,they pointed that out,while going on to say how amazing we played.


The article in itself wasn't bad, it was just the bloody headline, which had a subtext / subtitle of "Nothing to get excited about, Phoenix playing a weakened team". I had a FFS moment when I read the headline, as it WAS actually a performance to get quite enthused about (Piney agrees in his blog).

Luckily those who went along (some as a result of free tickets for kids) would have had a great time.

Good to see Stuff (which I assume also means Dominion) had a thoroughly positive follow up article about the Phoenix and their play-off hopes. I suspect that they may have noticed the dampener effect of the inappropriate headline of the earlier article. Well done. Might even start subscribing again.
Turfmoore2011-01-07 20:20:10

I know, I know, its serious!

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In fairness to the reporter, he didn't write the headline. It may well have been someone who didn't see the match and took grabbed the one line and went with it, I don't know.

Putting aside my Herald hat, it seems all media have a few more Nix stories at the moment. It's probably because it's the rugby and league off-season, but I'm enjoying having so many good football stories to read from everybody (but of course mainly from the Herald).
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Maybe Football Person can answer this?

Part of the appeal about a Herald article is that half of it is quotes from this forum.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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People on this forum know everything anyone, reporters included, would want to know about football!
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Footpaul wrote:
In fairness to the reporter, he didn't write the headline. It may well have been someone who didn't see the match and took grabbed the one line and went with it, I don't know.

Putting aside my Herald hat, it seems all media have a few more Nix stories at the moment. It's probably because it's the rugby and league off-season, but I'm enjoying having so many good football stories to read from everybody (but of course mainly from the Herald).


Yeah it's the sub-editors that write the headlines if it's not a major story. They're usually newbs and fairly clueless from what I've been told by a couple of people I used to know who worked for various papers,

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