Dominion Post vs Phoenix

Dominion Post vs Phoenix

Too big for our boots?

Interesting........

What a twat. 

Slow news day?

having a whinge much......

I don't recall there being any stories about the 2-3 Lions games that had under 4k this season- and at least two of those were on sat/sun 
i'm sure everyone else is right, there is no pro-rugby agenda from the doom post....
zonknz2010-11-27 07:26:25

1. The Doom Post has been running a vindicative campaign against Terry - some items were newsworthy, many were just gossip and rumour dressed up as news.

the story isn't about the crowds being down - the story is about the nix using the press when it suits them, and the packing a sulk and refusing to speak to them when they write something they don't like.

NZ Herald and FourFourTwo have been reporting negative stories, yet the Phoenix still allow them media access. Mind you, they only report the bad news. The Doom Post have at times seemed to celebrate it. Or in this case, create it.

But the terrible thing about Millmow's article is its tone of emotional blackmai  - the threat that they will actively turn against the Nix if the players dare to get huffy about their attacks on the club owner. It's bully tactics: "let us attack this guy and smile as if it's okay, or we'll do the same to you".

Some of you are as precious as the players. Only Frankie Mac seems to get this it's nothing to do with crowds, it's the way the players only like good news stories.

What a pathetic attitude in the above post. It boils down to "the media can do no wrong. If the media do wrong, then see rule 1".

The point is being missed that the problem is not that the Doom Post are questioning the players' performance or Ricki's coaching - which they have a right to do, and which any media does. It's that the Doom Post have decided to deliberately sensationalise Terry S's financial troubles in what looks like a concerted effort to bring him down personally. That's where they've stepped out of line.

Any mediator or organisational psychologist can tell you that the correct way to deal with conflict is "de-escalation". Millmow has done the opposite - pretty much come out and say "play along with our agenda or we really will rip into you", attempting to force the Nix players into a humiliating backdown. What's also galling is the attitude that "we made you, and we can break you just as easily". There's an increasing sense that the media think of themselves as a 21st century priesthood who can create reality at their whims, and Millmow has pretty much come out and announced that he will use that power to turn Wellington against the Nix, unless they play nice.

This will only make things worse, and I think (as a former pro sportsperson himself?) he realises that. But conflict makes money for the DP's advertisers.
Doloras2010-11-27 08:43:59

Several ppl need to wake up and get a little realistic I think.

Meanwhile... I need a coffee.

You were nearly right.

If Jonathan Millmow wants to know why the Phoenix are now more cautious in their media dealings he only has take a short walk across his office and have a chat with his editor Bernadette Courtney and her two rabid lap-dogs, Phil Kitchen and Dave Burgess.

Millmow will no doubt whine about editorial independence and how the various news desks within the Dominion Post have no control over each others stories. Hey Jonathan, guess what? Nobody else gives a damn - it's all just the Doom Post to us.

I'm sure the Phoenix media folks could still chill out a bit and not be so prickly, but maybe it's the Dominion Post that really needs to take a look in the mirror?

Wouldn't surpise me Just kidding.

The "creation" is in reference to the opinion piece in question. Instead of calmly discussing this with the media officer, they used it as an opportunity to attack the team - even if there is some validity behind their position. I'm certainly not blaming the DomPost for IRD, crowds, losses etc.

I agree with you, publishing of negative stories is not a reason to embargo a media source. But as I said - other bews sources are doing the same yet have retained media access. That suggests to me it's more than just a matter of the DoomPost reporting on the bad.

Junior822010-11-27 08:51:06

again you fail to get the point doloras.

There is a difference between Leo being approached by them to smash up some car. And being asked to talk about the club.

Im guessing that to talk about club stuff, go through the media manager.
Non club stuff, wouldn't go through that.

What crap

So if you had been burned by a journo and he/she wants to get more "news" from you, of course you'd oblige?

not even an article, his opinion. How can a paper allow a reporter to write such dribble.

Agreed

don't get that junior .. are only jounros allowed to point out the performances have been poor this season? are fans just meant to say 'oh well, keep you the good work guys' as we flail away in midtable?

Hmm. Have you been looking at the pages of angst on this forum much?

Anyway -you didn't answer my question.

Are you a journo?

Supplementary: Are you connected with the Dominion Post?

The thing that pi..es me off about it all, is that the media is constantly asking players about Terry's affairs. Also, if Terry didn't own the phoenix then none of us out of towners would even know he was in this predicament. I am all for players discussing football matters but what is happening in the running of the club has nothing to do with the players. I hope they are just concentrating on getting back on track. Typical media trying to get some comment out of a player to stir up another story.

yeah because that's what everybody has been saying....

Generally the sports section of the paper has covered the team pretty well I feel.  However,  the other section seems to have gone overboard with it's many front page headlines of off-field matters- definitely seems to be anti T.S.    If only these papers could have covered the finance companies -pre recession - with as much effort a few years ago.

Hmm, apart from flexing his journalistic muscles, why write this article in the first place? What exactly is he hoping to achieve?

Must be a journo. Mindless drivel spewing forth, full of grammatical errors.

Refusing to talk to the media always comes across as slightly petty and counter productive, but the Dom Post also need to take some responsibility. Their tabloid style attacks have driven the players into this bunker mentality, and as mentioned, they are still happy to talk to the Herald and other outlets who have reported negative stories, just without the apparent agenda.

In my opinion the sports pages of the Dom Post have gone way downhill since Millmow took over from (Johns?) as sports editor even though he was a very good cricket writer. (And slipped even further since Fred left.)aitkenmike2010-11-27 10:26:54

Fixedgoldienz2010-11-27 10:24:01

I think both sides need to look at themselves over their behaviour in the last month or so.

Big man in a little paper syndrome.

As it is the only published daily piece of bullsh!t in Wgtn, they can influence public perception of the nix.

Hopefully Nix can use other media outlets to publicise games and being out and about in the community, and all the work they do for charridy!

does he come onto these forums?

Trouble is that Doom Post have been "reflecting" on this for quite a while now. I figure this is ingrained in them and probably has got to a personal level (=vindictiveness).

Very happy that I no longer give them my money.

Any media manager knows that media protocols are there for the staff of an organisation to follow, not necessarily for the media to observe. They are put there to control the message and so naturally the media want to skirt them when they see these protocols as being obstructive.

All these stories are newsworthy - regardless of how readers view the tone. The clubs owner, his finances, the players and performances are all closely intertwined and are relevant as news. Asking players what effect finances are having on performances is valid, just as is it valid to ask if the club's performances are related to poor management or tactics.

Serepisos created his high profile to help raise support for the club and he did so magnificently. Some of the profile raising was perhaps for his own ego when you consider his TV gig. It made him newsworthy so naturally he has to keep his nose clean or face the critics. Owners of clubs all around the world face the same scrutiny - it's how they handle it that matters.

I'd say a few players have had a hairdryer from their media man for being caught not following the club's media protocol by talking about their owner's finances and have decided it's safer not to comment as a result.

It's not a good approach as the papers can always make you look like you're defensive.

If I was in the media manager's shoes (not that I'd want to be right now)I'd be looking at how his high profile players could be supporting the owner's situation by letting the media know every time they are asked that as far as they are concerned all's well on the financial front with regard to their own situations. Simply because 'no comment' leaves the door open for someone else to fill the space with negative comment, and no comment also looks like things are not well with the club. The more they say things are A OK the more the media will get tired of this angle and move on to something else.

For those who think that the media should just focus on the team and it's performances, it pays to remember that football is always about more than what happens on the pitch, it's about people, money and finances, culture and life.

Here's a simple definition for what makes something news: if it's being talked about at the pub, it's news.

The Phoenix and the owner just need to manage it a bit better and realise that sometimes critical press comes with the high media profile and not get too defensive about it.

And before anyone asks I'm not from the Dom, I've never worked in the press here but trained as a journalist and work in public relations.Flash_Harry2010-11-27 10:44:34