- could end up something like this .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSGWnDSl5hU
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phoenix rising2007-08-29 20:32:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSGWnDSl5hU
phoenix rising2007-08-29 20:32:41
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Nice.....integrated drumming and singing. I can see a YF float
at the Cuba Street carnival (if it is happening?) being constructed
very soon!
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Decided that this was enough of a touchy subject that it was worth putting a bit of statistics into the discussion.
FYI, I wasn't at the game (blame commuter trouble), but my brother and other whanau said they were pretty awesome, and helped raise the roof... but I figure if they beat out of time to the chants, then just forget about it. It'd be like a really bad mix from a DJ.
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That utube segment pretty much sums up the general idea. Chants and
drums working together. There is sure no intention to mess up the
chants - quite the opposite. Maybe boost them, make them easier to
follow, bring more people in, unique atmosphere - for sure. Its
amazing to see an NZ crowd going off like that - bloody brilliant
to be part of it.
It would be pretty easy to come up with stuff that fitted songs and chants. But Rome wasn't built in a day, and it would take some sorting out, but is doable. And the feedback on that first game suggests we're all onto something...
It would be pretty easy to come up with stuff that fitted songs and chants. But Rome wasn't built in a day, and it would take some sorting out, but is doable. And the feedback on that first game suggests we're all onto something...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBBPoyXEOhM&mode=related&search=
i know they are turks but check this one out - without drums
the sau paulo one was ok but the beat never intertwined with
the chants,. i know brazilian rhythms are complex and take lots of
study to master but this chant did not need the drums, but it could
work...although it would get tedious after a while
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Dayyyum another thread...
Drums are good. End of Story.
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Samba drums, will it be fire bombs in the crowd, fans killing officials & players etc. next.
Or maybe even favelas on the Wadestown
slopes.
Are the Yellow Fever not strong enough to make enough
noise on their own?
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i want it to be like a Stones concert
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Lets get Jagger & the boys in then, cos they certainly make a
better sound, than the bongo banging hippies.
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If the drums are here to stay, then I think poi-e should also be
sung (with the amended lyrics). An emanation of culture also!
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I'm up for anything that works with/helps the chanting. Go
the drums - so long as those playing them work with the crowd, but
then they'd have to be pretty dense not to.
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You said it Nickel "dense", cause they didn't work with or
help the Phoenix charts.
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Well here's a perspective from me as one of the drum group.
All I can say is that we did stop playing a number of times early in the second half, specifically trying to catch the chants/songs so we could join in on them. A couple of things made getting that right a bit tricky. For one thing, at that distance theres a bit of a time lag between when you chanted something and when we heard it - that makes getting timing right a real bastard. We've faced that before at outdoor venues, and with hard core Brasilian band leaders trying to trip us up. If you've seen the utube segements from Brasil the bands are usually (but not always) right in among the the chanters...
The starts to the chants were also pretty fuzzy from where we were, we couldn't quite make out the words and rhythmn at first, and to top that off we didn't know them well yet anyway. Even some YF members have said it was hard picking up chants at first - people were talking about a need for megaphones, chant sheets or words and bouncy dots on the big screen well before last Sunday. One other thing I noticed was a tendency to not stick with a chant for long enough for unfamiliar people to pick it up - and help it spread sideways a bit more - maybe something you could try next time if you want others in the crowd to join in... remember, most of the crowd didn't grow up singing those kind of songs on Grandads shoulders at the game.
So from us the will was there to back up the chants but it just didn't work out so good on the day. Then again, it was only the first go.
Of course in the last 30 minutes or so the game got so exciting we were watching it more than watching you, and we were playing to it. For those that didn't get it - our plan for that was pretty simple - drop down while on defence and amp it progressively up on attack - getting busier if things were looking good and going freakin nuts if we scored. I don't think anyone in the stadium heard anything except complete mayhem when that happened.
For those that didn't notice we also did the odd drum roll when we didn't like the ref's call, and we picked up on you giving the Victory goalie a serve on goal kicks, so we tossed in a bit there as well.
All that said with a bit of familiarity it would be a peice of piss to get some good beats under those charts, they aren't complicated at all.
All in all I thought the whole crowd had a pretty great time and it was pretty damn good for a first up hit. Plenty of people have got back to us about what a good day it was and how we added to it, just like they've been getting back to you about how great the YF hard core group were (you lot were friggin awesome!).
You can't please everyone, but I reckon if we all try we can help get that stadium bursting, or at least break a few crowd records. Maybe we could do that together somehow, or maybe by having a few different zones around the stadium. Whatever - its all good - at least thats what all the feedback we're hearing says (apart from some guys on these threads). Like I said though, you can't please everyone.
All I can say is that we did stop playing a number of times early in the second half, specifically trying to catch the chants/songs so we could join in on them. A couple of things made getting that right a bit tricky. For one thing, at that distance theres a bit of a time lag between when you chanted something and when we heard it - that makes getting timing right a real bastard. We've faced that before at outdoor venues, and with hard core Brasilian band leaders trying to trip us up. If you've seen the utube segements from Brasil the bands are usually (but not always) right in among the the chanters...
The starts to the chants were also pretty fuzzy from where we were, we couldn't quite make out the words and rhythmn at first, and to top that off we didn't know them well yet anyway. Even some YF members have said it was hard picking up chants at first - people were talking about a need for megaphones, chant sheets or words and bouncy dots on the big screen well before last Sunday. One other thing I noticed was a tendency to not stick with a chant for long enough for unfamiliar people to pick it up - and help it spread sideways a bit more - maybe something you could try next time if you want others in the crowd to join in... remember, most of the crowd didn't grow up singing those kind of songs on Grandads shoulders at the game.
So from us the will was there to back up the chants but it just didn't work out so good on the day. Then again, it was only the first go.
Of course in the last 30 minutes or so the game got so exciting we were watching it more than watching you, and we were playing to it. For those that didn't get it - our plan for that was pretty simple - drop down while on defence and amp it progressively up on attack - getting busier if things were looking good and going freakin nuts if we scored. I don't think anyone in the stadium heard anything except complete mayhem when that happened.
For those that didn't notice we also did the odd drum roll when we didn't like the ref's call, and we picked up on you giving the Victory goalie a serve on goal kicks, so we tossed in a bit there as well.
All that said with a bit of familiarity it would be a peice of piss to get some good beats under those charts, they aren't complicated at all.
All in all I thought the whole crowd had a pretty great time and it was pretty damn good for a first up hit. Plenty of people have got back to us about what a good day it was and how we added to it, just like they've been getting back to you about how great the YF hard core group were (you lot were friggin awesome!).
You can't please everyone, but I reckon if we all try we can help get that stadium bursting, or at least break a few crowd records. Maybe we could do that together somehow, or maybe by having a few different zones around the stadium. Whatever - its all good - at least thats what all the feedback we're hearing says (apart from some guys on these threads). Like I said though, you can't please everyone.
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Lets get Jagger & the boys in then, cos they certainly make a
better sound, than the bongo banging hippies.
yeah i was being sarcastic, i don't reckon we need 'em
I like tautologies because I like them.
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1 or 2 drums amid the Fever zone that actually know the chants?
Yes.
A whole load of drums across the other side of the stadium where none of them know the chants? No.
A whole load of drums across the other side of the stadium where none of them know the chants? No.
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GO WELLINGTON BATUCADA!!! You guys rock!
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Well here's a perspective from me as one of the drum group.
All I can say is that we did stop playing a number of times early in the second half, specifically trying to catch the chants/songs so we could join in on them. A couple of things made getting that right a bit tricky. For one thing, at that distance theres a bit of a time lag between when you chanted something and when we heard it - that makes getting timing right a real bastard. We've faced that before at outdoor venues, and with hard core Brasilian band leaders trying to trip us up. If you've seen the utube segements from Brasil the bands are usually (but not always) right in among the the chanters...
The starts to the chants were also pretty fuzzy from where we were, we couldn't quite make out the words and rhythmn at first, and to top that off we didn't know them well yet anyway. Even some YF members have said it was hard picking up chants at first - people were talking about a need for megaphones, chant sheets or words and bouncy dots on the big screen well before last Sunday. One other thing I noticed was a tendency to not stick with a chant for long enough for unfamiliar people to pick it up - and help it spread sideways a bit more - maybe something you could try next time if you want others in the crowd to join in... remember, most of the crowd didn't grow up singing those kind of songs on Grandads shoulders at the game.
So from us the will was there to back up the chants but it just didn't work out so good on the day. Then again, it was only the first go.
Of course in the last 30 minutes or so the game got so exciting we were watching it more than watching you, and we were playing to it. For those that didn't get it - our plan for that was pretty simple - drop down while on defence and amp it progressively up on attack - getting busier if things were looking good and going freakin nuts if we scored. I don't think anyone in the stadium heard anything except complete mayhem when that happened.
For those that didn't notice we also did the odd drum roll when we didn't like the ref's call, and we picked up on you giving the Victory goalie a serve on goal kicks, so we tossed in a bit there as well.
All that said with a bit of familiarity it would be a peice of piss to get some good beats under those charts, they aren't complicated at all.
All in all I thought the whole crowd had a pretty great time and it was pretty damn good for a first up hit. Plenty of people have got back to us about what a good day it was and how we added to it, just like they've been getting back to you about how great the YF hard core group were (you lot were friggin awesome!).
You can't please everyone, but I reckon if we all try we can help get that stadium bursting, or at least break a few crowd records. Maybe we could do that together somehow, or maybe by having a few different zones around the stadium. Whatever - its all good - at least thats what all the feedback we're hearing says (apart from some guys on these threads). Like I said though, you can't please everyone.
All I can say is that we did stop playing a number of times early in the second half, specifically trying to catch the chants/songs so we could join in on them. A couple of things made getting that right a bit tricky. For one thing, at that distance theres a bit of a time lag between when you chanted something and when we heard it - that makes getting timing right a real bastard. We've faced that before at outdoor venues, and with hard core Brasilian band leaders trying to trip us up. If you've seen the utube segements from Brasil the bands are usually (but not always) right in among the the chanters...
The starts to the chants were also pretty fuzzy from where we were, we couldn't quite make out the words and rhythmn at first, and to top that off we didn't know them well yet anyway. Even some YF members have said it was hard picking up chants at first - people were talking about a need for megaphones, chant sheets or words and bouncy dots on the big screen well before last Sunday. One other thing I noticed was a tendency to not stick with a chant for long enough for unfamiliar people to pick it up - and help it spread sideways a bit more - maybe something you could try next time if you want others in the crowd to join in... remember, most of the crowd didn't grow up singing those kind of songs on Grandads shoulders at the game.
So from us the will was there to back up the chants but it just didn't work out so good on the day. Then again, it was only the first go.
Of course in the last 30 minutes or so the game got so exciting we were watching it more than watching you, and we were playing to it. For those that didn't get it - our plan for that was pretty simple - drop down while on defence and amp it progressively up on attack - getting busier if things were looking good and going freakin nuts if we scored. I don't think anyone in the stadium heard anything except complete mayhem when that happened.
For those that didn't notice we also did the odd drum roll when we didn't like the ref's call, and we picked up on you giving the Victory goalie a serve on goal kicks, so we tossed in a bit there as well.
All that said with a bit of familiarity it would be a peice of piss to get some good beats under those charts, they aren't complicated at all.
All in all I thought the whole crowd had a pretty great time and it was pretty damn good for a first up hit. Plenty of people have got back to us about what a good day it was and how we added to it, just like they've been getting back to you about how great the YF hard core group were (you lot were friggin awesome!).
You can't please everyone, but I reckon if we all try we can help get that stadium bursting, or at least break a few crowd records. Maybe we could do that together somehow, or maybe by having a few different zones around the stadium. Whatever - its all good - at least thats what all the feedback we're hearing says (apart from some guys on these threads). Like I said though, you can't please everyone.
Keep it up = it was great
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Bollocks to drums during the game.
They drown out the chanting from the Fever Zone - so people in
other areas can't hear. I would rather hear chanting than some guy
banging his drum.
Be prepared to get your drumsticks thrown away if this
continues.
Founder
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the poll is too poorly worded to be taken seriously
if it said
a- yes
b-no
c- yes, but only if the drums don't mess up the chanting (and
will voluntarily stop or be excluded if they do negatively effect
the chanting.)
then it might be credible, as it is the negative options are
worded in ways that unfairly reduce the likellihood of a
response
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Bollocks to drums during the game.
They drown out the chanting from the Fever Zone - so people in
other areas can't hear. I would rather hear chanting than some guy
banging his drum.
Be prepared to get your drumsticks thrown away if this
continues.
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we have both the chants leading into the drums and the drums
starting the chants.
Works a treat with the people there for every week, but new people do get confused at first
Works a treat with the people there for every week, but new people do get confused at first
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Bollocks to drums during the game.
They drown out the chanting from the Fever Zone - so people in
other areas can't hear. I would rather hear chanting than some guy
banging�his drum.
Be prepared to get your drumsticks thrown away if this
continues.
Get a grip. The last thing this new scene needs is that kinda negative aggro crap. Read the posts - there are a whole lot of opinions here. Not everyone agrees with you - get over it. Almost 15000 people came last Sunday - not everyone is in Yellow Fever - not everyone is doing it your way - inside or outside of Yellow Fever. Do you want to see this scene grow or not? You're not going to get 35000 people just like you coming here.
We were asked to get involved by the Phoenix Management because they think it will help make atmosphere and make it way different from anything before - apart from a few postings here most people seem to agree from what feedback I've heard all over town. That was also the feedback we got from the Phoenix Management as well. We can sort it so it works better for everyone - and we're happy to talk about that. If you have a problem with that, you can't accept a bit of diversity, and you think its undermining the team and its potential success then grow up and go talk to Phoenix Management about it - leave the aggro out.
Talk about a way to pop the balloon - geez.
It seems to me you've got heaps of energy for this scene and are putting lots in - great - but keep it positive eh!
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well gordihno yes our chants are easy and well known tunes, if a
couple of you came into the stands with us sweet as man we need the
help,
i think the biggest problem we have is communication within
gate/aisle 22, i think we as a fans club need to get sorted first
and have us all chanting at the same time. YES i think we
need a few leaders, ONCE we have done this then we can get
into the adding of drumming etc. I think because we are not
terribly organised and new the drums did put a few people off, not
to mention the scoreline.
I HOPE in a few home matches we get tighter chanting and then
i reckon bring on the drums.
until then i hate to say no to the drums, i do like them but i
feel the chanitng is alot more important especially to create an
atmosphere for our team-(we all know what i mean, im a crazy pao
hooligan....) i do think all of us yelling "who are you who
are you!!!!!!" does give i warm welcome to our australian brothers
etc
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Warchant with drums. This is how it is done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv7kxLxtoIY&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpH_eVw6qi8&mode=related&search=
GSfan2007-08-31 01:21:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv7kxLxtoIY&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpH_eVw6qi8&mode=related&search=
GSfan2007-08-31 01:21:49
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Bollocks to drums during the game.
They drown out the chanting from the Fever Zone - so people in
other areas can't hear. I would rather hear chanting than some guy
banging his drum.
Be prepared to get your drumsticks thrown away if this
continues.
That would appear to be a problem for organising the chants - I'd never want to admit that anything was drowning me out but in your case it sounds like you need to be drowned out with an attitude like that.
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I vote just one or two drums within the fever cround to get the chants rhythym going and the rest of the stadium chanting BUT we need to lead the drums with our chants not the other way round.
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i thought the combo of the drums and the chanting was great.
the chants weren't drowned out by the drums on telly - you could
hear them both and they both contributed to an amazing
atmosphere! those of us who tuned in to the dire perth effort
afterwards would testify to that.
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people were talking about a need for megaphones, chant sheets or
words and bouncy dots on the big screen well before last
Sunday.
No, no, no, no, no...
NO!
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I thought the drums added to the atmosphere and seemed to be
appropriate with the phoenix having brazilian players.It all
contributes to a more exciting atmosphere for us
supporters in the stands and a more intimidating atmosphere
for any visiting team.I agree though I think it would be more
effective if the drumming was sychronised with the chants... maybe
the Fever should hold auditions for their own drummers??
Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!
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people were talking about a need for megaphones, chant sheets or
words and bouncy dots on the big screen well before last
Sunday.
�
No, no, no, no, no...
�
NO!
Not my ideas! All I was saying was that various chanting coordination problems were being talked about for weeks before last Sunday (and the Batucada) - those were some of the ideas other YF people came up with then.
As an observation - whether there is drumming involved in it or not - its obvious there would have to be some sort organisation or coordination if you want to spread chants outside the hard core. If you don't really want to do that then just leave it organic like it is. Your choice.
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maybe the Fever should
hold�auditions
for�their own
drummers??
Now thats good constructive stuff...
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Not my ideas! All I was saying was that various chanting
coordination problems were being talked about for weeks before last
Sunday (and the Batucada) - those were some of the ideas other YF
people came up with then.
As an observation - whether there is drumming involved in it or not - its obvious there would have to be some sort organisation or coordination if you want to spread chants outside the hard core. If you don't really want to do that then just leave it organic like it is. Your choice.
As an observation - whether there is drumming involved in it or not - its obvious there would have to be some sort organisation or coordination if you want to spread chants outside the hard core. If you don't really want to do that then just leave it organic like it is. Your choice.
Wasn't a dig at you mate
I just think that things like chanting need to be organic and
spontaneous in order to be geniune. It's all about heartfelt
passion and showing support, and singing along to the big screen
kareoke style would seem like, I don't know, cheating?
I also think that for the first game, we did pretty good in
the YF zone. Yeah, there was a bit of crossover with chants, and
the non-YF crowd may not have known some of the chants, but not bad
for a first effort.
One thing is for sure though, the drums and YF should not be
competing. If the drums are to become a permanent fixture, then
there's obviously a need to find a workable solution.
40 odd drummers make a lot of noise, and so do the YF
boys (and girls). Together and co-ordinated, it would be kick ass,
intimitating to visitors, and a hell of a lot of fun...
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Suggested audition selection criteria for Yellow Fever
drummer(s):
firstly they need to know...
1...ALL the good chants,there will be plenty!
2....that LESS is MORE-when to play and when to shut the f++k
up.. virtuosos need not apply!
they need to be...
3...talented multi-taskers .. female applicants could have the
edge here..as in keep in time,sing along as well,hold onto your
drum AND play it AND hold your amber liquid drinking vessel without
spilling a drop!! oh.. and stay upright for 90+ mins and
not tumble into fellow Fever-ites.
4...considerate..of their fellow Fever-ites eardrums (refer 2)
and personal space (refer 3)
5...fueled by a burning passion to support fellow Feverites
and the Phoenix to greater glory..oh and the occasional
aforementioned amber liquid beverage...(guide for fellow
Fever-ites..for one bottle ..drummer will keep playing ...for
two, will STOP playing!!)
But seriously tho.. I agree with you Milky. Chants need to
evolve of their own accord people will get to know them it just
takes a bit of time.
Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!
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Bollocks to drums during the game.
They drown out the chanting from the Fever Zone - so
people in other areas can't hear. I would rather hear chanting than
some guy banging his drum.
Be prepared to get your drumsticks thrown away if
this continues.
Alright, Alright! Calm down, calm down!
Alright, Alright! Calm down, calm down!
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Reading this thread, and 27 of the others, it seems that the people
who really like the drums say things like "it makes us different
from the other fans".
A) a Noocastle fan on this thread says they use drums - do we
really want to be like the ecky taking pikeys?
B) if we really want to be different, why don't we start
something original, like waving fish above our heads during the
games? People who can only find eels have to stand at least 1
ailse away.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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the poll is too poorly worded to be taken seriously
if it said
a- yes
b-no
c- yes, but only if the drums don't mess up the chanting (and
will voluntarily stop or be excluded if they do negatively effect
the chanting.)
then it might be credible, as it is the negative options are
worded in ways that unfairly reduce the likellihood of a
response
Really? I'm sorry. I was obviously assuming too much in
thinking people on this forum would understand more than just yes
or no.
I think its fairly obviously what choices mean what: the
comments afterward are just to make it slightly less...boring? I
dunno. I'm just not a fan of one word sentences. Plus people aren't
going to vote "yes" just because the reason for "no" didn't exactly
match theirs.
I'm actually really surprised by the results of this poll
- thought it was gonna be more bipolar. Unless everyone
who didn't like them also didn't like polls.
Go the drums!
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Reading this thread, and 27 of the others, it seems that the people
who really like the drums say things like "it makes us different
from the other fans".
A) a Noocastle fan on this thread says they use drums - do we
really want to be like the ecky taking pikeys?
B) if we really want to be different, why don't we start
something original, like waving fish above our heads during the
games? People who can only find eels have to stand at least 1
ailse away.
Frankie, please point out which
insightful individuals seemed to think we invented the
drum? I'd like to take photos.
Just because Newcastle like drums doesn't mean we shouldn't.
Pop-junkies like Fall Out Boy, but I still think they're credible.
I won't let pop take rock away from me!
Still, waving fish sounds pretty awesome - I was thinking we
should release doves and fireworks simultaneously and see if we can
make Phoenixes of our own... 
Well, it's either that or do a haka 
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I think we need to be a bit more open minded, just because we may
not have seen drumming before in the premiership doesn't mean it
can't be great and work here as well.
Normo's coming home
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