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Elrich - Not doing enough to warrant his place?

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
possibly the worst marquee player since malik buari
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sydney left him wide open so many times too (obviously they don't rate him either) and he still offered nothing.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
m8 i hav been saying it for a while. but have kept my mouth shut 4 the last couple weeks coz he was looking better. but fuking hell. he is rubbish. people keep saying give im time, but its the ned of the season. n all he does is stand on his wing and gets it coz noone marks him. try give the early ball in and either hits the first defender or is a rubbish ball. then he yells at evryone else. then he walks back 2 half way not even trying 2 defend and stasrts all over again. ahh thats a weght off

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, he may get plenty of opportunities down the right but it's because he just sits out there waving his arm and gets crazily angry if the ball isn't given to him on a platter.
 
When he does get it, he is as readable as a childs book and either his cross is sh*t or he just gets easily tackled.  Then he walks, no, daudles back to half way hoping that someone will get an intercept to then make him look good with all the space he's 'created'.
 
His skill shown so far, sans one goal, nowhere near outweighs his laziness (or paypacket) and unless Ricki gives him a serious talking to to play like a team man with the commitment of the 10 others on the pitch (not to mention the reserves, administration and fans!) then he has got to be shown the door.
 
We'd be better off with a marquee defender.  We're never going to lack attacking enterprise with a combination of Filipe, Daniel, Ferrante and of course Smeltz, so better off to strengthen the defence. 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oh, and we have ourselves a new "Plodder"
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
linds wrote:
Sydney left him wide open so many times too (obviously they don't rate him either) and he still offered nothing.


He won't get an easier night than playing against Renaud who is Sydney FC's development officer and most bling fans can't understand why he's been signed as a player...

How's my driving? - Whine here

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What he used to be was a player that 9 times out of ten would cut inside a player and create opportunities. Unfortunately he is showing no signs of what he used to be. He is woefully one dimensional and im sick of people saying just wait till he gets back to his old self because at the moment hes not even looking promising and nowhere near worth marquee status.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agreed, he's been rubbish. I was astounded that it took him four games in the squad before he even made it to the bench - some marquee!

Even if he will fit under the salary cap, we shouldn't consider keeping him next season.
If he wants marquee wages again next season then he can get them somewhere else.

Ironic, really, that the player we had the most time to choose before signing him turned out to be the worst value for money ...

For tonight:
The difference when Christie came on for him was great - here was someone keen to earn his place who could really run.

Elrich should be tracking back when he loses the ball, not standing there feeling pissed off about it.
Bevan2008-01-05 02:07:31
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ignoring the Elrich issue, I want to know why the hell we used him every attack.  I got fed up with us having two players and possession on the edge of the area, and EVERY time we'd then push it wide to the right.  If I had any hair left I'd have pulled it out...

How's my driving? - Whine here

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
linds wrote:
Sydney left him wide open so many times too (obviously they don't rate him either) and he still offered nothing.
 
Exactly as I saw it. He either crossed into the nearest defender or way over the by the other side line. Frankly I am very disappointed with him. Lazy comes to mind. Such pace yet so rarely used wisely!
Lonegunmen2008-01-04 23:55:06
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It is a potent form of attack IF you can get the cross right and the way the Sydney 'keeper was coming off his line early on with the right run and delivery we could very well have scored using his wing.  Pity the application was awful.
 
A couple of the runs from the strikers weren't quite right (needed more near post, earlier), so Elrich maybe not only to blame but it's his attitude that f**ks me off the most.  Wish it was Elrich that got the red card at the end, at least he'd be showing some commitment for once (and might injure one of those scum bling c**ts in the process).
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
why do we play so wide anyway ?? we never take them on up the middle, why not try elrich in the central mids and push ferrante out wide, why pay our marquee player to sit on the wing ? don't you want him offering a bit more to the team i do plus if we play three at the back shouldn't they at least be a flat back one player was often ten feet ahead of the other two  surely he wasn't man marking i'm rambling aren't i ? 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
giddyup wrote:
why do we play so wide anyway ?? we never take them on up the middle, why not try elrich in the central mids and push ferrante out wide, why pay our marquee player to sit on the wing ? don't you want him offering a bit more to the team i do plus if we play three at the back shouldn't they at least be a flat back one player was often ten feet ahead of the other two  surely he wasn't man marking i'm rambling aren't i ? 
 
But if we did that then he'd might have to work - something sadly lacking in application.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
fair point 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
there was 5 people behind me in aisle 30 and they were saying here we go again every time he got the ball it would be lost. I started getting to the point at about 60 minutes where i wanted Ricki to sub him it took to long to get him off.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Q: Why do they have to turn the cameras off every time Elrich receives the ball on the wing?

A: Slow motion replays can't be shown due to FFA regulations.

"You've nailed it in a nutshell." - Mark Rudan

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He should have been subbed at half time.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
duno if this has been said yet (if so sorry) but i think elrich deserves the gold medal in Bell-end-ism
 
that is all 
 
 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich did put a good through ball for Smeltz in the first half but god I got pissed at him just standing there when he lost the ball. Someone needs to give him a boot up the ass!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bevan wrote:


If he wasn't the marquee, then maybe keep him next season.
If he wants marquee wages again next season then he can get them somewhere else.




I don't really think he's on 'marquee wages'. He's just got the marquee tag to fit him under the cap.

a.haak

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It was interesting too, in the half time coaching interviews, our assistant- i forget his name (sorry), but he specifically said that we would attack down the left flank as they thought lochead had more pace and could beat his man.

Hello well why the f**k did we keep attaking down the right with Elrich when he's never going to beat his man, and cannot cross a ball when he's paid the most in the team!!!???

Lochead is never lazy and gives it his all
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energy24.7 wrote:
It is a potent form of attack IF you can get the cross right and the way the Sydney 'keeper was coming off his line early on with the right run and delivery we could very well have scored using his wing.  Pity the application was awful.
 
A couple of the runs from the strikers weren't quite right (needed more near post, earlier), so Elrich maybe not only to blame but it's his attitude that f**ks me off the most.  Wish it was Elrich that got the red card at the end, at least he'd be showing some commitment for once (and might injure one of those scum bling c**ts in the process).
 
Agree with you on the runs from the strikers. I was constantly asking why they were all attacking the same area, when it is clear that Elrich couldn't cross  accurately enough to find anyone so someone needed to pull back and wait for the scraps. Johnson was often screaming for the ball at the top of the box but it never made it to him, or any  other phoenix player for that matter.
 
I was also disappointed with his attitude and lack of tracking back, but I think he gets a bit of a hard time because he gets more ball than the rest of the team. It's very annoying to see him walking back without tracking his man, but I agree that he should atleast try and cover the player who is going to bail him out. However it seems like he has adopted a "free-role", although I think that was his own choice, and not a decision from higher up. He seems to only make an effort on attack. One thing I do notice about him being in a lot of space is that there are very little options for him, especially compared to the left wing. Normally his only option is in front of him, so he must try and cross it in. In contrast when Lochead received the ball, Felipe was often across to him very quickly wanting the ball inside, or wanting to work a 1-2 pass down the line. Also Smeltz worked well trying to give and option up the line. Old was often looking for a back pass aswel, so Lochead had a lot of support.
 
I think the reason we kept going to Elrich was because of two reasons,
 
1) Middleby was playing well covering the flank, and managed to keep Lochead quiet.
2) Lochead was doing a lot of defending and his workrate was great but he would have been tired towards the end. 
 
It is become very clear that Elrich is only going to attack so maybe we should bench him and play him in the same role as Felipe (Attacking Midfielder). Obviously this works well on two accounts, firstly we wont miss his lack of defence because there is ore cover in the middle of the field, and secondly he will never get game time anyway because Felipe is playing too well.
 
P.S It was Aloisi who got sent off
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That was the most frustrasting display to watch.
 
ffs take the man off at half time if he's having a shocker
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
All the best next season Mr Elrich, it's been an interesting experience having you at the 'Nix. Wish you all success with your new club. 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think it can be summarised in that he seems to lack passion playing for the 'nix. They'll be moments when he's got himself in a good spot or what have you where he'll put in that effort, but the rest of the time he's a robot that sits way out on the wing till he gets the ball, runs (jogs!) a bit, when the first defender comes toward him he smashes in a cross, usually hitting aforementioned defender. :/

It's a pity, I like most people was excited about Elrich joining the squad and really wanted to see him do well.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I apologise to anyone that was offended at my abuse of Elrich last night.

I meant every word.

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does anyone think he should stay to allow for some player consistency next season?

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I apologise to anyone that was offended at my abuse of Elrich last night.

I meant every word.

and Kosmina,corica the list goes on and on 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
energy24.7 wrote:
It is a potent form of attack IF you can get the cross right and the way the Sydney 'keeper was coming off his line early on with the right run and delivery we could very well have scored using his wing.  Pity the application was awful.
 
A couple of the runs from the strikers weren't quite right (needed more near post, earlier), so Elrich maybe not only to blame but it's his attitude that f**ks me off the most.  Wish it was Elrich that got the red card at the end, at least he'd be showing some commitment for once (and might injure one of those scum bling c**ts in the process).
 
Agree with you on the runs from the strikers. I was constantly asking why they were all attacking the same area, when it is clear that Elrich couldn't cross  accurately enough to find anyone so someone needed to pull back and wait for the scraps. Johnson was often screaming for the ball at the top of the box but it never made it to him, or any  other phoenix player for that matter.
 
I was also disappointed with his attitude and lack of tracking back, but I think he gets a bit of a hard time because he gets more ball than the rest of the team. It's very annoying to see him walking back without tracking his man, but I agree that he should atleast try and cover the player who is going to bail him out. However it seems like he has adopted a "free-role", although I think that was his own choice, and not a decision from higher up. He seems to only make an effort on attack. One thing I do notice about him being in a lot of space is that there are very little options for him, especially compared to the left wing. Normally his only option is in front of him, so he must try and cross it in. In contrast when Lochead received the ball, Felipe was often across to him very quickly wanting the ball inside, or wanting to work a 1-2 pass down the line. Also Smeltz worked well trying to give and option up the line. Old was often looking for a back pass aswel, so Lochead had a lot of support.
 
I think the reason we kept going to Elrich was because of two reasons,
 
1) Middleby was playing well covering the flank, and managed to keep Lochead quiet.
2) Lochead was doing a lot of defending and his workrate was great but he would have been tired towards the end. 
 
It is become very clear that Elrich is only going to attack so maybe we should bench him and play him in the same role as Felipe (Attacking Midfielder). Obviously this works well on two accounts, firstly we wont miss his lack of defence because there is ore cover in the middle of the field, and secondly he will never get game time anyway because Felipe is playing too well.
 
P.S It was Aloisi who got sent off
 
I know, that's why I said WISH
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Apologies...
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Our strikers were getting out wide too often to receive the ball.  Need a big centre forward to sit in the middle and finish
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich has been on and off all season - his effort levels at least, early on I could put it down to fitness, lack of game time etc, but now I think you are all right - it seems to be a lack of interest or passion. Trouble is it seemed to infect everyone against the bling.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
watched a  bit of the game there.. seems we counter good but offload to youknowwho and lose it. argh!

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nice sig Bhoy!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I must say I'm a bit confused about all of this!

Is this guy shiite or is he just out of form?

How many players are we likely to ever sign directly from a Premier League Club while they are still in their twenties(no jokes about Fulham thanks).....I mean seriously, players don't get signed to the Premier League if they are crap!

 Many of the posts bagging the guy are on the spot ,but some are way off the mark. His positioning on the park ,hard on the touchline and his tracking back on defense(or lack of it) are determined by the coaches...this is not amateur league. If a player positions himself the same,  week in week out then its because the coaches told him to.

Form is tempory, class is permanent. I have seen enough from Elrich(that goal, corners taken and the way he traps and controls the ball) to suggest he's got the goods. I'll leave the call to Rickie.If they want to work on him over the offseason...get a few kilos off and work on his confidence, then I'm prepared to wait.  GIVE THE GUY A BREAK!!!!!!


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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
One fabulous shot at goal doesn't really make up for all the potential goals he's stuffed up, there were potentially 3 in last weeks game that he gave away because of a rushed/poor cross. Sure his positional play is determined by the coach, and he is great on the ball, but so are most of the team. When he loses the ball he literally stands there looking stunned - if Daniel, Felipe, Lockhead lose it they do their best to win it back! Form is temporary, but how long do you have to give a guy between the good days and bad?? theprof2008-01-07 14:09:44

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it was a good goal though 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
giddyup wrote:
it was a good goal though 


damn tootin'
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Interesting just watched the first half again and really dont think he was as bad in that half as what many have said.Maybe part of the problem is that Ricky hasnt been subbing him early enough.he also tracked back a number of times to help out in defence which is different to what many have posted. And yes i do hope we keep him for next season,maybe he hasnt been as good as we had hoped but to lay the blame on him for some of our efforts is getting a little carried away.As for crosses and passes not going where they should he isnt the only one who stuffed up in that half.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Malik Buari scored one even better for the Knights last year. Most players have got one or two cracker goals in them somewhere. I remember Jonathon Perry's and George Goutzioulis's for the Kingz. Marquee players should be influencing every game.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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