Final series confusion,,,,,,,,

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ok, only my 2nd post here - be gentle!

I'm new this season to the Phoenix, can someone explain this highly confusing finals system process, can't get my head around it! Who plays who after these games? Elimination finals, major semi finals, the plate? Could they make it anymore confusing for a newcomer....or am I being thick....more than likely.

Thanks in advance.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kev WPFC wrote:

Ok, only my 2nd post here - be gentle!

Thanks in advance.

This week

1 v 2 - CCM v Brisbane

3 v 6 - Perth v Heart (game 1)

4 v 5 - Us v Sydney (game 2)

Next week

1 v 2 - CCM v Brisbane

Winner G1 v Winner G2

GRAND FINAL

End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Missed a step Drippo.

This week

A) 1 v 2 - CCM v Brisbane (leg 1)

B) 3 v 6 - Perth v Heart

C) 4 v 5 - Us v Sydney

Next week

A) 1 v 2 - CCM v Brisbane (leg 2)

D) Winner B v Winner C

3rd week

E) Loser of A V Winner of D

Grand Final

Winner A v Winner E

2ndBest2012-03-30 10:43:28

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Missed a step Drippo.

This week

A) 1 v 2 - CCM v Brisbane (leg 1)

B) 3 v 6 - Perth v Heart

C) 4 v 5 - Us v Sydney

Next week

A) 1 v 2 - CCM v Brisbane (leg 2)

D) Winner B v Winner C

3rd week

E) Loser of A V Winner of D

Grand Final

Winner A v Winner E

Cheers!

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

faie weather fan!

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The main thing to remember is that...

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

In fairness, it is one of the most confusing playoff systems going around. Heavily in favour of 1 & 2 as well.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think that is fair enough. Given the slaray cap and the ability for everyone to everyone, I reckon 1 and 2 should be given a second life.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

In fairness, it is one of the most confusing playoff systems going around. Heavily in favour of 1 & 2 as well.

And so it should be! (Heavily favouring 1 & 2).

And I personally don't find it confusing at all. NRL's more complex (or was).

I know, I know, its serious!

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

of course none of this matters if we don't bloody well win tonight!

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Turfmoore wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

In fairness, it is one of the most confusing playoff systems going around. Heavily in favour of 1 & 2 as well.

And so it should be! (Heavily favouring 1 & 2).

And I personally don't find it confusing at all. NRL's more complex (or was).

I think you'll find most casual punters out there can't though. And comparing to the NRL is basically comparing the 2nd most confusing with the most confusing.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Can someone explain what is confusing about it? It's crystal clear, easy to understand, logical... what's the issue?

The top two teams play off home and away, with the winner going into the grand final.

3rd through 6th play off in knock out, and the eventual winner out of them plays the loser of 1 v 2, and the winner of that is the other team in the grand final.

Simple.

bwtcf2012-03-30 12:56:47

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

bwtcf wrote:

Can someone explain what is confusing about it? It's crystal clear, easy to understand, logical... what's the issue?

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Turfmoore wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

In fairness, it is one of the most confusing playoff systems going around. Heavily in favour of 1 & 2 as well.

And so it should be! (Heavily favouring 1 & 2).

And I personally don't find it confusing at all. NRL's more complex (or was).

The NRLs was the best finals series going around until they changed it. Rewarded you for every place you went up the ladder, which kept the regular season exciting. Now its just top 4 or nothing.

I was gutted when I heard they'd ditched the Mcintyre system.

Allegedly

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sthn.jeff wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Can someone explain what is confusing about it? It's crystal clear, easy to understand, logical... what's the issue?

Basically, it's not...

Game A = 1 vs 4

Game B = 2 vs 3

Final = Winner A vs Winner B

Anything else confuses people. I'm not saying it confuses me, I understand it fine, but talk to someone at your workplace about it, and 90% will be confused. You end up with comments like "I thought it was a semifinal last week, but now they're playing another one this week" and "why are Brisbane playing CCM twice, but everyone else playing someone else".

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

At which point you say:

The top two teams play off home and away, with the winner going into the grand final.

3rd through 6th play off in knock out, and the eventual winner out of them plays the loser of 1 v 2, and the winner of that is the other team in the grand final.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I honestly don't know what's wrong with: Team at top of the league at the end of the season win it, it's that simple!!

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irnbru14 wrote:

I honestly don't know what's wrong with: Team at top of the league at the end of the season win it, it's that simple!!

Because then the phoenix will never win it
NHpeter2012-03-30 22:43:59

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Finals Series Semifinals Wk1 Semifinals Wk2 Preliminary final Grand final A ï¿½ 31 March 2012 D ï¿½ 8 April 2012 22 April 2012 1 Brisbane Roar - ï¿½ Central Coast Mariners - Winner Match A/D - 2 Central Coast Mariners - ï¿½ Brisbane Roar - Winner Match F - F ï¿½ 12-14 April 2012 B ï¿½ 1 April 2012 Loser Match A/D - 3 Perth Glory - Winner Match E - 6 Melbourne Heart - E ï¿½ 6-8 April 2012 Winner Match B - C ï¿½ 30 March 2012 Winner Match C - 4 Wellington Phoenix 3 5 Sydney FC 2

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

When do they decide the date for match E?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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George Kostanza wrote:

of course none of this matters if we don't bloody well win tonight!

We won ! ;)

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kev WPFC wrote:

can someone explain this highly confusing finals system process, can't get my head around it!ï¿½

Thanks in advance.

OK - so now we await 3rd (Perth) vs 6th (Heart) outcome.

We get to host Heart if they win, otherwise trip to Perth.

HOWEVER

If Ricki choses to lodge with the FFA (by text) his joker card, anytime in the second half then regardless of outcome the game is played in Wgtn.

Perth can only negate this trump card if they opt to go for a power play in the last 10 mins AND score more than Heart in this period (note PP = double so if Perth score one goal, Heart have to score two).

Heart on the other hand could also elect to play the "super 15" rule which allows them to field an extra 4 players for 10 mins.

If we make it through the next game I'll walk you through the major semi-final.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:

When do they decide the date for match E?

April 14th I believe.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

What time is Perth v Heart on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Leggy wrote:

Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:

When do they decide the date for match E?

April 14th I believe.

It will be next weekend.

Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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Steve-O wrote:

What time is Perth v Heart on?

Use your key board. But to save the effort Roar v CCM 7.30 tonight, Perth v Heart 9 pm sun night NZ time

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Junior82 wrote:

Kev WPFC wrote:

can someone explain this highly confusing finals system process, can't get my head around it!ï¿½

Thanks in advance.

Mate you forgot the umpire review system, and the ability to score double by scoring the "max zone".

Crystal bloody clear!

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I personally hate the finals system. How should a team in 6th have a chance to win the playoffs?

It shuld be top 4, home & away legs.

Then final, either a single winner takes all, or home and away legs

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

What time is Perth v Heart on?

Sunday 9PM NZ time

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It would be wrong to do away with the finals. For those of us who fronted last night there was a buzz around the ground that you wouldnt get at a run of the mill league game.

So the finals should remain.

I just think it is terribly sad for the four clubs who have now finished there season. Victory supporters will need to sit frustrated as they wait for "better" teams results to come through whilst watching Harry's dvd set of his football achievements in easier leagues where he was able to dominate.

Gold Coast players will need to stay inside behind locked doors incase Clive comes knocking for a free beer.

This is most unfair. we should have a 10 team playoff. Perhaps call it round four.

We're Forever Causing Trouble

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:

When do they decide the date for match E?

April 14th I believe.

It will be next weekend.

Match E is not next weekend.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I believe we play again next weekend and that game is listed here as game E Blew.22012-03-31 14:46:22

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think a top 6 could be restructured in a similar way to the NRL.

I've been thinking:
1 v 6 2 v 5 3 v 4

Then the 3 Winners would go into a semi final with the 4th team being the highest ranked loser. Therefore you are rewarded for finishing higher in the regular season.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If the finals system were to change, I would go for the old NRL top 5 system.

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playwithFire wrote:

I agree with this structure you suggest. Where do you see the highest ranked loser in the next round, e.g. would 1 be reseeded behind 6, if 6,2,3 were to win.

With the current system (which is easy enough to understand), there is no huge disadvantage to coming in 2nd rather than 1st. Also with the current format, most years you will get the top two teams making the final, and so 3 of the last 4 games are against the same opponent - which does get a slightly repetitive. A couple of years ago, the top two teams (Mebourne and Sydney) met in the last round of the regular season, so 4 of last 5 games these two clubs played were against each other.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You do get a trophy for finishing first though. I think there is incentive enough there. Then having reward for finishing 2nd is good, and the prospect of 2 home finals for 3rd, then one (or 2) home finals for 4th. Then a slight possibility of a home final for finishing 5th.

There is incentive to finish higher up on the table, right the way up. That is what an ideal finals series should do.

Allegedly

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playwithFire wrote:

What would be the incentive for the 1st placed team not to put out their reserves? If they lose they will always be the highest placed loser and go to the semis anyway.

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terminator_x wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

What would be the incentive for the 1st placed team not to put out their reserves? If they lose they will always be the highest placed loser and go to the semis anyway.

Theoretically, a home semi. However it is a solution without a problem. If you want to change the playoffs because you don't like a top 6 then fine, but if we are to keep top 6, I think the current system is superior to anything else.

edit: @ Tip-Dadi - the incentive for coming first is that you win the Premiership, which (to me at least) is more meaningful than the finals series Championship. aitkenmike2012-03-31 17:10:13

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yeah, I imagine the players feel a similar way. The finals series is almost a second chance to win a trophy, a completely different season almost.

Allegedly

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