Wellington Phoenix Men

Flags, Drums, Flares etc.

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AJ13 wrote:
yellowfury wrote:
I thought that the fans went to the game to see a "stunning visual spectacle" on the pitch.  While that has been a bit tough at the ROF this season, not sure how lighting fireworks are going to change it...

I agree. We're there for football and football only. Lets not chant or sing anymore. And ban the removal of shirts. Or better yet, we should just watch from our living rooms. On mute.
Well I agree to disagree.My first game at the ROF and it was dope.The YF were f**king orse.The match was primo,the weather was insane and the football fans - 10/10.All we needed was drums,flares and vuvezelas etc. to bring the noise.Take it up to level 11
Tell ya what was a bit strange though.. all the people wearing ABs and Canes gear.WTF?
Anyway sunburnt,hoarse and hungover.Ahh.
(and the wellington is wonderful chant was absolutely primal from where I sat).So stoked

                                                                        COYN    

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yellowfury wrote:
(and please, not the "to be more like Hadjuk" - groups associated with racism and violent football support in eastern europe).�


Firstly, it's Hajduk. Secondly, it's not Eastern Europe.

And of course, I expect evidence of the, I'm sure, thousands of lynchings and dead from the evil hordes of Torcida.
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yellowfury wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
yellowfury wrote:
I thought that the fans went to the game to see a "stunning visual spectacle" on the pitch.  While that has been a bit tough at the ROF this season, not sure how lighting fireworks are going to change it...

I agree. We're there for football and football only. Lets not chant or sing anymore. And ban the removal of shirts. Or better yet, we should just watch from our living rooms. On mute.
Chanting, singing, swiss flag etc in my opinion fit within the good humoured image of what the yellow fever is about; "badass" flare displays don't.
 
As per above, any reasons why these flare displays would be great are encouraged (and please, not the "to be more like Hadjuk/Partizan/Red Star ultras" - groups associated with racism and violent football support in eastern europe). 

Associating flares with those thugs is nonsense, the general NZ public wouldnt evern have a clue about extreme eastern european footballing douchebaggery. Theryre used by supporters all over the world, and not just football (ie. subcontinent cricket), and most 'neutrals' i know think theyre amazing. Ive been hearing for years "man those soccer supporters are intense, wish we had an atmosphere like that over here". But yeah it'l never happen.
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yellowfury wrote:
Chanting, singing, swiss flag etc in my opinion fit within the good humoured image of what the yellow fever is about; "badass" flare displays don't.


Who says that flare displays are 'badass'?

Btw, does chanting 'where were you when we were sh*t' at the last game fit into the 'good humoured image'?

el grapadura2011-02-15 13:10:05
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el grapadura wrote:
 Who says that flare displays are 'badass'? [/QUOTE]
 
[QUOTE=AJ13]I dont care what anyone says, flares are badass.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Righto.

Still hugely resent the subtext of YFury's post.
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Isnt that a town on Discworld?

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Jag wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
 Who says that flare displays are 'badass'? [/QUOTE]
 
[QUOTE=AJ13]I dont care what anyone says, flares are badass.

Its slang people - it means 'awesome'
AJ132011-02-15 13:16:04
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I was just answering the man's question. Don't shoot the messenger 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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AJ13 wrote:
Jag wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
I dont care what anyone says, flares are badass.
 
That's a bit like saying "coffee tables are badass"

Depends, theyre badass at the basin with a couch.

I dont see anything wrong with flares, personally.
Remember the Womans world cup,that idiot had them? Then the security guard nearly got it in the face?
 
Yeah. Thats whats wrong.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
Jag wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
I dont care what anyone says, flares are badass.
 
That's a bit like saying "coffee tables are badass"

Depends, theyre badass at the basin with a couch.

I dont see anything wrong with flares, personally.
Remember the Womans world cup,that idiot had them? Then the security guard nearly got it in the face?
 
Yeah. Thats whats wrong.
 
You just hate fun, Tegal. There is no possible way to have it, or support your the team, without flares. Fact.  
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Like I said, numpties don't need flares to be numpties.

With a bit of responsible organisation managing a flare display is pretty straightforward.
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Ah well when im 90yrs old and on my last legs il set a flare off up the back of the fever zone.
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el grapadura wrote:
Like I said, numpties don't need flares to be numpties.

With a bit of responsible organisation managing a flare display is pretty straightforward.
 
Numpties don't need a gun to be numpties,but you wouldn't give them one.

Allegedly

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How do the flare advocates (the ones who are not just stirring and taking the p i s s  and who actually advocate the use of flares) reconcile the fact that one of the major stories this year has been the club's tentative financial position with the fact that the club gets substantially fined if anyone lets off a flare? How can you want the Phoenix to be fined thousands of dollars and say that you support the team and the club at the same time? I don't get it.
 
Not to mention that the flares letter-offer gets arrested...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Like I said, numpties don't need flares to be numpties. With a bit of responsible organisation managing a flare display is pretty straightforward.



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Numpties don't need a gun to be numpties,but you wouldn't give them one.


My point exactly.
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bwtcf wrote:
How do the flare advocates (the ones who are not just stirring and taking the p i s s  and who actually advocate the use of flares) reconcile the fact that one of the major stories this year has been the club's tentative financial position with the fact that the club gets substantially fined if anyone lets off a flare? How can you want the Phoenix to be fined thousands of dollars and say that you support the team and the club at the same time? I don't get it.
 
Not to mention that the flares letter-offer gets arrested...

Dude wut? We're not saying "oh yeah man who cares im taking a f'ing flare in and setting this mofo off". We're saying "hey wouldnt it be cool if we could do this?" AND of course, for this to happen, there would need to be no such restrictions.
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yellowfury wrote:
As per above, any reasons why these flare displays would be great are encouraged (and please, not the "to be more like Hadjuk/Partizan/Red Star ultras" - groups associated with racism and violent football support in eastern europe).�


Good point, no racism or right-wing politics. I want to be associated with the Livorno ultras.


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Im with the Upper Hutt Ultras myself...
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Doloras wrote:
yellowfury wrote:
As per above, any reasons why these flare displays would be great are encouraged (and please, not the "to be more like Hadjuk/Partizan/Red Star ultras" - groups associated with racism and violent football support in eastern europe).�


Good point, no racism or right-wing politics. I want to be associated with the Livorno ultras.



Now there's a real bunch of numpties. Livornograd. Puh-lease.

If they lived two days under communism they'd be eating Maccas for breakfast, lunch and dinner and drinking Coke (trademark) instead of water.
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el grapadura wrote:

If they lived two days under communism they'd be eating Maccas for breakfast, lunch and dinner and drinking Coke (trademark) instead of water.


Viva Antonio Gramsci, you pro-imperialist swine.

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el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Like I said, numpties don't need flares to be numpties. With a bit of responsible organisation managing a flare display is pretty straightforward.



 

Numpties don't need a gun to be numpties,but you wouldn't give them one.


My point exactly.
If you allow some people to use them,you allow all to use them. Including numpties like the guy at the U17 womens world cup.
 
I wouldn't feel comfortable having flares go off around me,and i imagine others would be the same. Go set them off at the other end of the ground.

Allegedly

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Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Like I said, numpties don't need flares to be numpties. With a bit of responsible organisation managing a flare display is pretty straightforward.



�

Numpties don't need a gun to be numpties,but you wouldn't give them one.
My point exactly.


If you allow some people to use them,you allow all to use them. Including numpties like the guy at the U17 womens world cup.
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I wouldn't feel comfortable having flares go off around me,and i imagine others would be the same. Go set them off at the other end of the ground.


That's where the responsible organisation comes into play - these aren't impromptu displays, they're planned and organised well in advance.

As for the second part of the post, no-one is advocating that we actually do this at the RoF...
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But if select YF members can use them,there is no reason other people cannot.
 
"why should they be allowed but im not?" is a valid question.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
But if select YF members can use them,there is no reason other people cannot.
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"why should they be allowed but im not?" is a valid question.


If they can prove they're not a numpty, they can.

Self-policing and all that.
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el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Like I said, numpties don't need flares to be numpties. With a bit of responsible organisation managing a flare display is pretty straightforward.



 

Numpties don't need a gun to be numpties,but you wouldn't give them one.
My point exactly.


If you allow some people to use them,you allow all to use them. Including numpties like the guy at the U17 womens world cup.
 

I wouldn't feel comfortable having flares go off around me,and i imagine others would be the same. Go set them off at the other end of the ground.


As for the second part of the post, no-one is advocating that we actually do this at the RoF...
Thought that was exactly what the whole chat was about, my mistake. Carry on.
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el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
But if select YF members can use them,there is no reason other people cannot.
 

"why should they be allowed but im not?" is a valid question.


If they can prove they're not a numpty, they can.

Self-policing and all that.
 
Thats a nice idea. But isn't practical.
 
If you guys can bring them in,then so can ANYONE. What are you going to do,have people take an IQ test at the gate before they bring them in?

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
But if select YF members can use them,there is no reason other people cannot.
 

"why should they be allowed but im not?" is a valid question.


If they can prove they're not a numpty, they can.

Self-policing and all that.
 
Thats a nice idea. But isn't practical.
 
If you guys can bring them in,then so can ANYONE. What are you going to do,have people take an IQ test at the gate before they bring them in?
 
sh*t, that would lower the attendances alarmingly 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
But if select YF members can use them,there is no reason other people cannot.
�

"why should they be allowed but im not?" is a valid question.
If they can prove they're not a numpty, they can. Self-policing and all that.



�

Thats a nice idea. But isn't practical.

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If you guys can bring them in,then so can ANYONE. What are you going to do,have people take an IQ test at the gate before they bring them in?


You're not understanding this - I'm telling you how it's done in Europe (or at least where I come from).

You let the club now so they can be ready, you organise the flares and distribute them to trusted people, co-ordinate the display so everyone knows when to light them, and dispose of them in accordance with the club's wishes (which are usually the Fire Brigade's wishes).

If someone lights up flare at the wrong time, or is not known to be officially involved in the display, he/she's told, and if they don't comply, the flare's removed from their posession.el grapadura2011-02-15 14:23:43
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Tegal wrote:
I wouldn't feel comfortable having flares go off around me,and i imagine others would be the same. Go set them off at the other end of the ground.

If i could i would. Id be the first person there with a flare on the 80th minute
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el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
But if select YF members can use them,there is no reason other people cannot.
 

"why should they be allowed but im not?" is a valid question.


If they can prove they're not a numpty, they can.

Self-policing and all that.
FK i can see it down at the BB pre game.Okay you numpties come and walk along this line those of you who manage to get one foot on gets to play with these here flares.One way of getting the zone to empty.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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I vote we jsut strap a couple of flares to feverish post Bencher and watch the lights weave patterns.

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I always thought the game itself creates the atmosphere.  I thought those streamers at the start of the last game were pointless and silly given Wellington's wind.
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Hard News wrote:
I vote we jsut strap a couple of flares to feverish post Bencher and watch the lights weave patterns.
 
This. I'll be at every home game if this takes off......
 
 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Product wrote:
I always thought the game itself creates the atmosphere.

What happens if nobody turned up to watch?
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AJ13 wrote:
Product wrote:
I always thought the game itself creates the atmosphere.

What happens if nobody turned up to watch?
 
Flare party at your house?
I like tautologies because I like them.
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