Wellington Phoenix Men

R6 v Adelaide United | 7.30pm Friday 13th Nov | #SaveTheNix

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over 10 years ago

I say its a good thing that he asked for 15K at the game.

If you have high expectations and fail by a little, you have still done pretty well.

Again, its up to the media, I say  jump on facebook and the twitter account of any sport Journo you know. They need

to know people are interested in this game.

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over 10 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

Agree. But it is all about support for the club, players sure will enjoy 15K people chanting for them.

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over 10 years ago

It's also about croud numbers, bums on seats. 

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over 10 years ago

If we get 15k to the game then we need to win, everytime we've had big crouds before the team has failed to lift for them. It's going to be hard but at least its Adelaide. It could very well be a 0-0 draw with two teams that cannot score playing each other.

But as said it shouldn't be about the crouds, if you look at our stats we tend to do 8-9 k throughout our history and pretty consistantly. There has been the first year when we got more than 11k, and a couple of years when averaged 6k but most of the time its 8-9k which is pretty good for a city of our size even when you compare it to countries that Football is dominant in. I heard somewhere that the Phoenix are the fourth most supported team in the country, presumably after the Warriors and the top couple of super rugby franchises.

If they didn't want crouds of 8-9k then they shouldn't have setup in cities the size of Wellington, in fact they shouldn't have an A-League at all because only the Victory, the Roar, Adelaide and the two Sydney teams manage it consistently. All this talk about fishing where the fishes are doesn't work, just look at Heart/City without derbies their crouds are similar to ours.

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over 10 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

Domey ffs man....... Why didn't you say we are hoping for 8k? That way more than that makes good hgeadlines. Saturday morning will be "Phoenix fail to attract the croud they wanted" on Stuff...

Yep - if Domey said "We want 9k!" the headlines would be "Phoenix exceeds expectations".

We want 7!

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 10 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

True that; though for me, it's more to galvanise support. If we get 6k again I think you'll find that the support from other A-League fans will wane.

a.haak

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over 10 years ago

The croWd is all important, that is why there needs to be a push with the media via their social media webpages.  If Wellington

can get 15K people and the Phoenix can win, that will surly help the cause.

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over 10 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

while that is true I think the croud push is about showing how many numbers are committed to attending, Welnix who are apparently now directly talking to SKY about the broadcast deal will have a much more solid argument if the game on Friday has a bumper croud and viewership numbers - I think that is why there has been the push and I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

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over 10 years ago

valeo wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

True that; though for me, it's more to galvanise support. If we get 6k again I think you'll find that the support from other A-League fans will wane.

This,  After all of the drama and media/FFA implying the croWds are the issue, A massive turn out will be a nice big finger to the FFA.  Cant blame the croWds if the croWds are good.

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over 10 years ago

One piece of good news, Westpac Stadium has confirmed they will have craft beer on sale again for this game!! 

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

Agree that a big croud isn't going to make a difference to the FFA but it will show WelNix that there's a reason for them to keep fighting. Also, I think it's an opportunity to convert some people to start to build crouds long term. A big croud, a Friday night party atmosphere, and hopefully a win might get a few to return and help to build interest. I also think that croud numbers are related to media interest and TV ratings. Big crouds look and sound better on TV and make the games more exciting to watch. It might not affect interest much but any increase in TV ratings will help us. 

One funny thing is thata lot of people seem to think games are way more expensive than they are. I've been spamming workmates and I've got at least one to come and probably a few more, but they've all been surprised that adult tickets are only $25ish. They all seemed to think it was more like $40+. I dunno where that's come from but maybe a greater emphasis on ticket prices in our advertising might help.

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over 10 years ago

Agree that a big croud isn't going to make a difference to the FFA but it will show WelNix that there's a reason for them to keep fighting. Also, I think it's an opportunity to convert some people to start to build crouds long term. A big croud, a Friday night party atmosphere, and hopefully a win might get a few to return and help to build interest. I also think that croud numbers are related to media interest and TV ratings. Big crouds look and sound better on TV and make the games more exciting to watch. It might not affect interest much but any increase in TV ratings will help us. 

One funny thing is thata lot of people seem to think games are way more expensive than they are. I've been spamming workmates and I've got at least one to come and probably a few more, but they've all been surprised that adult tickets are only $25ish. They all seemed to think it was more like $40+. I dunno where that's come from but maybe a greater emphasis on ticket prices in our advertising might help.

What did ticket prices use to be? I do wonder if they have come down in price (I don't know as only done season tickets)

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

Well said Smithy loving the push for this week but what about the game after that and the one after that. What good is a bumper croud going to be if we can't sustain it. Shark wouldn't we love the answer to that one.LOL


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 10 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

Agree that a big croud isn't going to make a difference to the FFA but it will show WelNix that there's a reason for them to keep fighting. Also, I think it's an opportunity to convert some people to start to build crouds long term. A big croud, a Friday night party atmosphere, and hopefully a win might get a few to return and help to build interest. I also think that croud numbers are related to media interest and TV ratings. Big crouds look and sound better on TV and make the games more exciting to watch. It might not affect interest much but any increase in TV ratings will help us. 

One funny thing is thata lot of people seem to think games are way more expensive than they are. I've been spamming workmates and I've got at least one to come and probably a few more, but they've all been surprised that adult tickets are only $25ish. They all seemed to think it was more like $40+. I dunno where that's come from but maybe a greater emphasis on ticket prices in our advertising might help.

What did ticket prices use to be? I do wonder if they have come down in price (I don't know as only done season tickets)

TBH I don't know. I've had a season ticket for the last few years but I've bought extras for my wife and others in that time and they've been around the sam e price they are now. Before that I was studying and working weekends and I could only go to a few games, but I couldn't say how much regular adult tickets were because I always bought student tickets. They have always been around $20 or under IIRC, but I honestly have no idea about how much adult tickets used to be.

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over 10 years ago

Are people seriously complaining at the club doing all this extra stuff to get a big croud? 

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

No one is complaining about the club doing more to promote the game..

a.haak

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over 10 years ago
nufc_nz wrote:

Pax 4655 as of now.

That's wierd. I bought two tickets on Oct 29th and the pax on them was 5913

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


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over 10 years ago

Kyle1502 wrote:

Are people seriously complaining at the club doing all this extra stuff to get a big croud? 

Seems you need to label your posts these days as there seems to a difference of opinion on what is complaining and what isn't. Think it's more than fair to look beyond this week as far as crouds go. Otherwise do all those extras consider it job done and no need to bother attending any others this season.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 10 years ago

ballane wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

Are people seriously complaining at the club doing all this extra stuff to get a big croud? 

Seems you need to label your posts these days as there seems to a difference of opinion on what is complaining and what isn't. Think it's more than fair to look beyond this week as far as crouds go. Otherwise do all those extras consider it job done and no need to bother attending any others this season.

Fair point, but the same thing could be asked of those who attend the derbies and not the other regular season games, which the FFA don't seem to care about. So while looking long term is more than fair (especially from the owners point of view), its in the short term that us as fans can help, so even if getting 12k-ish on friday is a one off, it's better than the usual 6-8k 
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over 10 years ago

bwtcf wrote:
nufc_nz wrote:

Pax 4655 as of now.

That's wierd.

I bought two tickets on Oct 29th and the pax on them was 5913

Never trust nufc.

a.haak

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over 10 years ago

Agree that a big croud isn't going to make a difference to the FFA ...

Would be nice though to not be the lowest/worst performing club at any of the 'metrics' FFA have said we need to improve on.

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over 10 years ago

valeo wrote:

bwtcf wrote:
nufc_nz wrote:

Pax 4655 as of now.

That's wierd.

I bought two tickets on Oct 29th and the pax on them was 5913

Never trust nufc.

Unless testicles are on the line.


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Yakcall wrote:

Agree that a big croud isn't going to make a difference to the FFA but it will show WelNix that there's a reason for them to keep fighting. Also, I think it's an opportunity to convert some people to start to build crouds long term. A big croud, a Friday night party atmosphere, and hopefully a win might get a few to return and help to build interest. I also think that croud numbers are related to media interest and TV ratings. Big crouds look and sound better on TV and make the games more exciting to watch. It might not affect interest much but any increase in TV ratings will help us. 

One funny thing is thata lot of people seem to think games are way more expensive than they are. I've been spamming workmates and I've got at least one to come and probably a few more, but they've all been surprised that adult tickets are only $25ish. They all seemed to think it was more like $40+. I dunno where that's come from but maybe a greater emphasis on ticket prices in our advertising might help.

What did ticket prices use to be? I do wonder if they have come down in price (I don't know as only done season tickets)

TBH I don't know. I've had a season ticket for the last few years but I've bought extras for my wife and others in that time and they've been around the sam e price they are now. Before that I was studying and working weekends and I could only go to a few games, but I couldn't say how much regular adult tickets were because I always bought student tickets. They have always been around $20 or under IIRC, but I honestly have no idea about how much adult tickets used to be.



They've been in the $20-$25 range, plus there's often been a cheaper bay.
This is currently called the $10 bay, which is Aisle 35 : http://premier.ticketek.co.nz/events/PHOENIXC16/ve...

Also there is a 20% discount for season ticket holders when buying extra tickets

Tickets? Tickets? We talkin’ about tickets?

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over 10 years ago

So every so often the Nix chuck in a cheaper deal and maybe people are associating Nix prices with Rugby/Hurricane prices?

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Agree that a big croud isn't going to make a difference to the FFA ...

Would be nice though to not be the lowest/worst performing club at any of the 'metrics' FFA have said we need to improve on.

well, I think it's early days this season but last season we were about 1000 people above CCM in the average croud stakes.... So that was already the case when the FFA started talking metrics

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over 10 years ago

Drunk_Monk wrote:

valeo wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

True that; though for me, it's more to galvanise support. If we get 6k again I think you'll find that the support from other A-League fans will wane.

This,  After all of the drama and media/FFA implying the croWds are the issue, A massive turn out will be a nice big finger to the FFA.  Cant blame the croWds if the croWds are good.

 

One good turnout does not a big finger make.

I love a big croud as much as the next man, don't get me wrong. I just think it's the wrong focus in terms of the license discussion.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 10 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Drunk_Monk wrote:

valeo wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

True that; though for me, it's more to galvanise support. If we get 6k again I think you'll find that the support from other A-League fans will wane.

This,  After all of the drama and media/FFA implying the croWds are the issue, A massive turn out will be a nice big finger to the FFA.  Cant blame the croWds if the croWds are good.

 

One good turnout does not a big finger make.

I love a big croud as much as the next man, don't get me wrong. I just think it's the wrong focus in terms of the license discussion.

100% correct Smithy, but a big croud this week IS part of the qualitative context which FFA seems to not understand - the emotional outpouring, the passions, the creativity of fans, the feeling that this is "our" team, buying memberships for volunteers, scarfing the city. These things are the DNA, the essence of The Phoenix. They ARE important too. We need this AND the long stakeholder game on the licence. Plus, it's fudgeing fun.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Agree that a big croud isn't going to make a difference to the FFA ...

Would be nice though to not be the lowest/worst performing club at any of the 'metrics' FFA have said we need to improve on.

well, I think it's early days this season but last season we were about 1000 people above CCM in the average croud stakes.... So that was already the case when the FFA started talking metrics

Yeah, if at the end of the season we can show average attendance, ratings and memberships are better than other clubs - that would be great (crouds and ratings I think we should get there, memberships possibly not). At least recent comments from the FFA and the club show that the metrics Gallop said initially is mostly bollocks.

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Global Game wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Drunk_Monk wrote:

valeo wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

True that; though for me, it's more to galvanise support. If we get 6k again I think you'll find that the support from other A-League fans will wane.

This,  After all of the drama and media/FFA implying the croWds are the issue, A massive turn out will be a nice big finger to the FFA.  Cant blame the croWds if the croWds are good.

 

One good turnout does not a big finger make.

I love a big croud as much as the next man, don't get me wrong. I just think it's the wrong focus in terms of the license discussion.

100% correct Smithy, but a big croud this week IS part of the qualitative context which FFA seems to not understand - the emotional outpouring, the passions, the creativity of fans, the feeling that this is "our" team, buying memberships for volunteers, scarfing the city. These things are the DNA, the essence of The Phoenix. They ARE important too. We need this AND the long stakeholder game on the licence. Plus, it's fudgeing fun.

I agree with that.  If a local game pulls consistently decent number of punters to the stadium, eventually a broadcast deal is built on these figures as it translates indirectly into potential ad viewers for sponsors, etc. which is what FFA business model seems to be driven by.

It also may indirectly help FFA into thinking "hmmm...if this is in Wellington... what would a new Auckland club in HAL attract?...hhmmmm... derbies, derbies...hmmm....".

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 10 years ago

During our first season, I paid for every home game and the prices were between $28 & $31 including the booking fee. I wasn't sure if I could attend every home game but then got my ST from the next season onwards.

I like big crouds at our games but I agree with an earlier comment. Domey should have said that they hoped for a 9k croud so that if we get more than that, the club  could have said it was a great success. But to say 15k is just setting yourself up for an epic fail at 7:15 on a Friday night against the cellar dwellers.

Still, I will be driving back from Hastings Friday lunch time just to attend this game. There's a hundy in petrol alone. Any Hawke's Bay fans want a lift, pm me as I am coming back to Hastings on Saturday.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

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over 10 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Drunk_Monk wrote:

valeo wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Can we just sort something out here. The size of the croud on Friday night has absolutely no bearing on the ongoing license discussions with the FFA. Those are all about money. Large sums. Not a couple of thousand extra punters buying $2 tickets.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that the attempt has been made by the club to make this about us. About croud numbers. When really it's about NZF and Sky. We box above our weight division on the croud front. 

While it'll be great if we have a heart-warming turnout on Friday it will make not a jot of difference in the overall license conversation.

True that; though for me, it's more to galvanise support. If we get 6k again I think you'll find that the support from other A-League fans will wane.

This,  After all of the drama and media/FFA implying the croWds are the issue, A massive turn out will be a nice big finger to the FFA.  Cant blame the croWds if the croWds are good.

 

One good turnout does not a big finger make.

I love a big croud as much as the next man, don't get me wrong. I just think it's the wrong focus in terms of the license discussion.

Everyone knows this. So in the future when the FFA come out talking #metrics, we can easily turn around and call out the bullshark.



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over 10 years ago

Calling for a "Black out" just because its Friday 13th. Wrong call. This game is all about showing your colours. #blacknyellow #stripey

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 10 years ago

Just saw the bottom line on the digital bus time tables saying "take public transport to the Phoenix this Friday "

Was hoping the word free would appear next....but it didn't.

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over 10 years ago

IronNix fan wrote:

C-R-O-W-D

ffs

Where were you when Hutt Rec needed you?

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IronNix fan wrote:

C-R-O-W-D

ffs

Just so you know, croud is done on purpose in that the board will automatically change CROWD to croud. We aren't all bad spellers...

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

Never explain your gags feverites.

Walk away with your head high wearing a Stephen Fry smoking jacket (or something like that).

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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over 10 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Never explain your gags feverites.

Walk away with your head high wearing a Stephen Fry smoking jacket (or something like that).

From fourth Arsenal is one point

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over 10 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Never explain your gags feverites.

Walk away with your head high wearing a Stephen Fry smoking jacket (or something like that).

  Yeah, what's the point of an in joke if you explain the punchline?
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