http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP6fDbw2xqY
I guess the only way to solve our defensive woes is to score as many goals as possible.
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And now there are two A-league players who I can't stand: Joel
Griffiths and Jeremy Christie
Edited for truth.

What can I say: PLODDER
KINGZ: Crap
KNIIGHTS: Crap
PHOENIX: Crap
Why do we bother with him?
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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An overreaction based on the last two minutes of a single game
right there.
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haven't seen the video of the game yet , but from the stand ...
Low points, the result - obviously, poor communication and decision-making for their two goals, that card happy w**ker, players tiring in last 10 and misplacing short balls, a seeming lack of willingness to shoot (perhaps this forum needs to look at how they responded to Ferrante -at least he has the balls to have a lash), not one of Daniel's more influential performances - for me their goal came -initially- as a result of Daniel waiting for the ball to come to him on the edge of their box
High points - Tim Brown's first full run (he adds a lot in my view), Smeltz's workrate, Elrich's ability, YF - in good voice, Lochead in patches, Moss'es shot stopping and 1:1 efforts, felipe's imminent return to fitness, edit - oh yeah and some well-timed tackles from Doddy
a hard game to watch at times, I really felt good at 1/2 time but that ending was a killer
I still have complete faith in Ricky and our lot!!
Here's to some points from Adelaide!!!
tigers2007-10-21 21:11:07
Low points, the result - obviously, poor communication and decision-making for their two goals, that card happy w**ker, players tiring in last 10 and misplacing short balls, a seeming lack of willingness to shoot (perhaps this forum needs to look at how they responded to Ferrante -at least he has the balls to have a lash), not one of Daniel's more influential performances - for me their goal came -initially- as a result of Daniel waiting for the ball to come to him on the edge of their box
High points - Tim Brown's first full run (he adds a lot in my view), Smeltz's workrate, Elrich's ability, YF - in good voice, Lochead in patches, Moss'es shot stopping and 1:1 efforts, felipe's imminent return to fitness, edit - oh yeah and some well-timed tackles from Doddy
a hard game to watch at times, I really felt good at 1/2 time but that ending was a killer
I still have complete faith in Ricky and our lot!!
Here's to some points from Adelaide!!!
tigers2007-10-21 21:11:07
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An overreaction based on the last two minutes of a single game
right there.
Agree Feverpitch
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We should have won that. Daniel has to stop playing with the ball,
and get a f**king cross in.
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haven't seen the video of the game yet , but from the stand ...
Low points, the result - obviously, poor communication and decision-making for their two goals, that card happy w**ker, players tiring in last 10 and misplacing short balls, a seeming lack of willingness to shoot (perhaps this forum needs to look at how they responded to Ferrante -at least he has the balls to have a lash), not one of Daniel's more influential performances - for me their goal came -initially- as a result of Daniel waiting for the ball to come to him on the edge of their box
High points - Tim Brown's first full run (he adds a lot in my view), Smeltz's workrate, Elrich's ability, YF - in good voice, Lochead in patches, Moss'es shot stopping and 1:1 efforts, felipe's imminent return to fitness, edit - oh yeah and some well-timed tackles from Doddy
a hard game to watch at times, I really felt good at 1/2 time but that ending was a killer
I still have complete faith in Ricky and our lot!!
Here's to some points from Adelaide!!!
Low points, the result - obviously, poor communication and decision-making for their two goals, that card happy w**ker, players tiring in last 10 and misplacing short balls, a seeming lack of willingness to shoot (perhaps this forum needs to look at how they responded to Ferrante -at least he has the balls to have a lash), not one of Daniel's more influential performances - for me their goal came -initially- as a result of Daniel waiting for the ball to come to him on the edge of their box
High points - Tim Brown's first full run (he adds a lot in my view), Smeltz's workrate, Elrich's ability, YF - in good voice, Lochead in patches, Moss'es shot stopping and 1:1 efforts, felipe's imminent return to fitness, edit - oh yeah and some well-timed tackles from Doddy
a hard game to watch at times, I really felt good at 1/2 time but that ending was a killer
I still have complete faith in Ricky and our lot!!
Here's to some points from Adelaide!!!
Agree, mostly. But communication starts from the back and too many times today the defence was called on to clear a ball that could eaily have been dealt with by Moss. Despite his shot blocking, he would be disappointed with the first goal.
Still wanted Ricki to ring the changes a lot earlier than he did - I mean only one sub at that on 83 mins after your international team and Smeltz, Brown, Christie and Lochhead had played 90 mins on Wednesday - ffs. And the fact that Elrich was making his first start and Lia is still short of match fitness - disappointed.
Does he have the guts to drop Aloisi or even sub him????
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I'll watch the replay at midnight tonight just to confirm first
impressions - overall it was a very enjoyable game and there
were some very promising plays. Defensively there were some stupid
moves; missed tackles, passing the ball straight to the opposition
and for the forwards there was the usual dithering in front of the
goalmouth instead of shots on goal - but didn't spoil the
overall enjoyment of the game.
This week's best chant - when this large bird flew over the fever everyone looked up, pointed and started chanting 'seagull .... seagull ....' - hilarious
This week's best chant - when this large bird flew over the fever everyone looked up, pointed and started chanting 'seagull .... seagull ....' - hilarious
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bahahaha - thats what it was - we were chanting segal segal at the
security guard.
Other notes from the game - I agree on the playing around in
the box aspect. Some of the stuff was painful to watch in second
half. It is almost as if our players are scared to have a shot. We
work hard to get into the box then instead of shooting we pass. We
need someone to be goal hungry and shoot.
As for subbing Aloisi I don't think that is necessary at the
moment he is doing well for us. Without his leadership I
think the phoenix would struggle far more than they are
already.
But we need to sort out our defense It is woeful.
I say clone Karl Dodd
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O'Dor had another shocker. Put Clebo back in Centre with Dodd
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agreed bring bak clebo george paston and felipe and get a good
result next week let barbarouses brwonlie and others play against
galaxy and get the points where they actually count
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i like Clebo as a character and am disappointed he has cemented a
place, but i do feel O'Dor is more mobile and less likely to fall
foul of card-happy idiots like today's ref
Please Dr quack, come on the forum and tell me I'm not compleletly wrong to loathe who ever was in the middle today, for me he was the worst ref since the Jets match here
Please Dr quack, come on the forum and tell me I'm not compleletly wrong to loathe who ever was in the middle today, for me he was the worst ref since the Jets match here
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[QUOTE=HarryPeters]We should have won that. Daniel has to stop
playing with the ball, and get a f**king cross in.[/QUOTE
Please dont have a go at daniel. he had some briliant
touches and great long switches, and gives us a positive and
creative attitude we desperately miss in nz football. some of his
touches were sublime. id much prefer he does that than
pass it backwards inside every time he gets it hoping some
else will take responsibiility.
christie's error was kinda freak, but he is limited - and
those kind of mistakes get made by limited players at times. feel
sorry for him, playing out of place and doing a job than nobody
else will - but it was a terrible error
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but we will be BACK
this is what makes a football club - the good, the bad and
everying in between. it was a fantastic atmosphere. we love our
football team and they will be back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Where do I start? I may not make any friends with what I am about
to say.
Moss - when is he going to cut out the punching and start
catching. Punching is inacurate and today especially, his
punching was going straight to the CCM players. An excellent shot
stopper but he parks on his line too much and too much friggen
punching. Catch the friggen thing, the CCM keeper was catching all
day.
Plodder. Up until that last minute sh*t, I thought he had a
very good game and put in some decent tackles. Our Central
defenders were at 6's and 7's for most of the game. It was like
they had never partnered before.
Daniel seemed to be missing Felipe to me. Tried hard and
sometimes tried too hard.
Aloisi had what I believed, was his best game for us yet and
Elrich - what a goal, got it from top of Aisle 23 and had the
perfect view. Tried a lot but in the last 15, I thought he'd done
his dash.
Our future midfield of Daniel, Aloisi, Felipe & Elrich is
about as good as it gets at any club.
Smeltz? What an awesome game from him today, a couple of
muffed chances but he was everywhere up front.
13 minutes into the game and I thought great, not easy and
early goal and 120 seconds later I abused myself for thinking the
thought.. Another friggen soft touch goal. We did enough to have
won the game handsomely but we gave it away.
I'd like to see Paxton in and Moss to do an extensive catching
the ball from any position course. I love the guy but this weakness
is being found out now and exploited.
Thats the way I saw it, sorry if you're all pised at me.
Lonegunmen2007-10-21 23:42:13
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Just passing on what we do no offence intended, especially to RH as
he an excellent coach
Lawie appointed from day Alex Tobin as our defence coach. Alex
is the most capped Austrlian player by a long way. Further he
is prehaps the best central back Australian ever produced and that
includes Lucas Neil. We have lost one player to Germany after being
selected to play for Socceroos, Michael Beautaum, currently two
other backs in Neil Boogaard, Olyroos & Deen Heffernan
Soccerros, none of these players had even state rep
experience. Then we signed Tony Vidmar a retired
Socceroo defender.
I guess the Mariners put heaps of time with an excellent coach
just for the defence, and it's paid huge dividends. We also
have a midfield and goal keeping coach.
As I said it's what we do no offence intended so good luch for
the future
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
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I would agree with everything you said Lonegunmen.
Fever_Pitch2007-10-21 23:58:54
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Thanks. I know it's negative but I hope it is taken more as
constructive critism. These are issues that can be solved on a
training field.
We all see glimpses of this team in full flight and frankly,
it's scarey. Some of the good stuff is of the highest quality, but
thats the problem, we see only glimpses. We know it can happen
though, if only the players could see it too!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Week after week this defence astound me. It's not just the
tackling, but it's the lack of anticipation, dreadful vision, poor
first touch, no control and even worse... pathetic
distribution.
Even my young son understands that if your options are limited, just hoof it out for a throw in. Ho many times do we give the ball away at the back from an incomplete pass or from poor contact with the ball. It's shocking.
The Midfield is working hard but is a bit left-biased at the moment and our final balls into the box have definitely been improving, but are still lacking the appropraite quality.
Smeltz might be working hard, but he doesn't pull the trigger anywhere early enough. Seems to want get to a one-on-one before he'll even try and score, as do a few too many others.
The annoying thing is that with some work on the defence we could be looking a much better team. Minor changes, major impact... most of the goals we concede are just plain ridiculous and you find yourselves laughing at how inept we've been rather than commenting on the goal... don't think I've ever been heard to say "..there's nothing we could have done about that...!"
It's just getting embarassing now.
Even my young son understands that if your options are limited, just hoof it out for a throw in. Ho many times do we give the ball away at the back from an incomplete pass or from poor contact with the ball. It's shocking.
The Midfield is working hard but is a bit left-biased at the moment and our final balls into the box have definitely been improving, but are still lacking the appropraite quality.
Smeltz might be working hard, but he doesn't pull the trigger anywhere early enough. Seems to want get to a one-on-one before he'll even try and score, as do a few too many others.
The annoying thing is that with some work on the defence we could be looking a much better team. Minor changes, major impact... most of the goals we concede are just plain ridiculous and you find yourselves laughing at how inept we've been rather than commenting on the goal... don't think I've ever been heard to say "..there's nothing we could have done about that...!"
It's just getting embarassing now.
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Elrich has improved the right side considerably. The Elrich-Plodder
combo isn't as good as the Daniel-Lochhead one, but it will come
(hopefully).
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The honeymoon is well and truly over and we can't keep slapping
ourselves on the back and saying how well we've done just to be
here, fans are great, top support etc. With the team we've
got, our results SHOULD be better.
We were exposed badly yesterday by a team missing several key
players. Two goals conceded from bad individual errors plus
giving away a silly pen because Dodd was out of position.
Daniel had a poor day by his standards and looked like he
wanted to be somewhere else. Our crossing was woeful and
decision making in the final third was crap. As good as Dodd
has been, I feel we're lacking a real leader at the
back.
The only positives yesterday were Brown and Elrich. And
that was as good a goal as you will see anywhere this
season.
Can't see us making the play offs now. On this form, we
will even lose in Perth.
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Smeltz might be working hard, but he doesn't pull the trigger
anywhere early enough. Seems to want get to a one-on-one before
he'll even try and score, as do a few too many others.
Agreed. Too often he charges up the field around their box with the ball then stops and turns, waiting for support, when he should have a crack himself.

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did anyone see that pondleyak cnut turn to yellow fever
and take a bow at the final whistle bloddy
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e whole
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e whole
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Haha yeah I saw that. t**ser. Everything I was going to say has
pretty much been covered, but will reiterate the fact Moss needs to
catch the ball! Unnessecary pressure comes from moments llike he
had today, he is gold the rest of the time. Only other problem I
see is the lack of willingness to take someone on 1-1. When
Felipe is back it is noticable that when he skins someone, the
chances are that much better because they have lost a defender.
Thats obvious. But too often imo, we back down from taking on
players and opt to put a ball in around them. Sorry for the rant,
just heartbroken. Haha
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did anyone see that pondleyak cnut turn to yellow fever
and take a bow at the final whistle bloddy
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e whole
not that i condone throwing things, just wound me up was all
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e whole
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O'Dor had another shocker. Put Clebo back in Centre with Dodd
Surely you are joking. Cleberson was shown up again last week
against the Jets - granted he was out of position, but pace and the
ability to defend are important anywhere in the back four -
I'd be surprised if he features again this season...and that'd be
fine by me.
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did anyone see that pondleyak cnut turn to yellow fever
and take a bow at the final whistle bloddy
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e whole
Yep but did you also see some of there players clapping the fever
zone as well.
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e wholeGET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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plodder off .i kinda wna see ricky get ruthless and drop players
for terrible errors but we dnt have the depthfelipe2007-10-22
11:22:14
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did anyone see that pondleyak cnut turn to yellow fever
and take a bow at the final whistle bloddy
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e whole
Yep but did you also see some of there players clapping the fever
zone as well.
man i wanted to pelt him with
dirty mrs mac's pies, ar$e wholeanyway i'm over it now, had my rant, now get on with the next game COYN
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Who was the guy putting up the YF banner at the start of the game?
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Who was the guy putting up the YF banner at the start of the
game?
Me why.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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plodder off .i kinda wna see ricky get ruthless and drop players
for terrible errors but we dnt have the depth
Definitely not! We need to keep Lochhead, Dodd, and Christie in the starting line-up. I'm still undecided about O'Dor though.
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Despite what has been typed on this site - even by
myself, over the last 18 hours and what happened on the pitch,
I hope to be back at the next home game!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Elrich obviously an obvious positive from the game. Him and Felipe could carve teams apart when they play together.
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It was a great game to watch, but for the tragic few minutes.
Does anyone have links to the highlights or goals? I'd love to see the Elrich goal, and the CCM penalty miss.
Does anyone have links to the highlights or goals? I'd love to see the Elrich goal, and the CCM penalty miss.
Like a chocoholic but for booze
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Worst game of the season by the lads, to many long passes to no-one, when they should ave kept it. Lochead and Elrich had a good games...Daniel hardly got the ball and when he did he had no space to move it, the times he did ave room he did great stuff.
Next week..... Daniel LMF, Elrich AMF, Felipe RMF(if fit),
Aloisi DMF...Best midfeild in the league.
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wouldn't call it our worst the game against queensland in my
opinion has been our worst.
your right about our midfield though its going to be
amazing
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Next week..... Daniel LMF, Elrich AMF, Felipe RMF(if fit),
Aloisi DMF...Best midfeild in the league.
I'd swap Elrich and Felipe.
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