Wellington Phoenix Men

How many is too many?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jag wrote:
Tegal wrote:
No matter what the underlying reason for him saying it was, he still said it.
 
I agree with bwtcf. I think Gareth is being very cunning here, but by doing it the way he has he is also taking the calculated risk of pissing a lot of hard core supporters off.
 
He knows exactly what he's doing
 
Agree. He knows what he is doing.
 
He knows that we will huff and we will puff and we will bluster, but we will still turn up this season regardless. And he knows that if the crowd numbers get boosted, we'll be as pleased as he will be. And if the crowd numbers do grow none of us will remember that there were threats. We'll all be too busy cheering the fact that we have great crowd numbers and how vibrant the club is.
 
If it works, he won't need to do anything to follow up on his threat.
bwtcf2012-01-24 14:38:30

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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bwtcf wrote:
theprof wrote:
good, at least we agree on that. as a last resort the home away from home games may well be the only answer but give the crowds a chance to repsond to the improvements being made fromt he TS era
 
They are. That's exactly what they are doing. They are just trying to stimulate the peripheral/marginal/casual fans into attending. That's good.
 
My sources tell me that that's working too. BY FAR the biggest pre sales for a Nix game... LOTS of annecdotal evidence that people are planning on going to the game this Sunday.
 
It couldn't be anything to do with them actually doing some marketing for the game?

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
. But this seems to be the first option.
 
It's not the first option.
 
They have already:
 
1. Initiated the gate share with local football clubs
2. Rolled out a Black out the Heart promotion
3. Had the summer six ticketing promotion.
4. Had various meet the team events - the last one was at Mojo Waterfront and you could get Nix collector's addition cups.
5. Kids get in free promotion recently...
 
There's almost certainly other initiatives that I have failed to mention too. They are doing a lot to promote the club.
 
And it's working.
 
Put the last game's attendance aside - the weather really was completely ferral, and everyone (including Gareth, publicly) seems to acknowledge what a great effort it was in the circumstances to get nearly 4,000.
 
Before that the 3 previous Wellington home game attendances were:
 
  •  6,020 v Perth Glory on 10 December 2011
  •  6,471 v Newcastle Jets on 23 December 2011
  •  8,411 v Sydney FC on 4 January 2012
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    Trending nicely in the right direction if you ask me.
     
    I also don't think this is the last option either. It's part of a considered multi-pronged effort to grow the crowds here in Wellington.
     
    And apparently the presales for the Heart are the best yet.

    Woohoo. I am thrilled by the trends here.
     
    If we get 12,000 to the Heart game what then? Do we all sit back and say "Great, it's working. Whatever it was, keep doing more of that please!"?
    bwtcf2012-01-24 13:29:50

    Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


    Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    All this season. They haven't had a chance to actually work. In fact, it seems by ticketing sales for the upcoming came that they HAVE worked. Which only further proves my point surely.

    Allegedly

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Sorry, what's your point that has been proved?

    Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


    Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    That he was far too quick to threaten the fans with moving games.

    Allegedly

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    bwtcf wrote:
    theprof wrote:
    good, at least we agree on that. as a last resort the home away from home games may well be the only answer but give the crowds a chance to repsond to the improvements being made fromt he TS era
     
    They are. That's exactly what they are doing. They are just trying to stimulate the peripheral/marginal/casual fans into attending. That's good.
     
    My sources tell me that that's working too. BY FAR the biggest pre sales for a Nix game... LOTS of annecdotal evidence that people are planning on going to the game this Sunday.


    You've got "sources"? Gosh, you are jolly important!

    Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Okay maybe this was actually a tactic used by Morgan because he had seen the presales of the heart game, and knew we were about to get a big crowd.

    So maybe coming out in the media about crowd sizes is going to draw extra attention to the crowd numbers for this coming game, and will end up being huge.

    Maybe he is just trying to keep the nix talked about, because maybe the more coverage we are getting, the more likely casual and new supporters will show up?


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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    What Gareth Morgan said, see http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/6305051/Morgan-Fans-demanding-Phoenix-hit-the-road:

    "Let's get it in perspective. We're talking about moving one more game. We're not talking any more than that and we would see how that goes."

    Next season one home game would definitely be played outside Wellington.

    The possibility of a second was being considered, but he was trying to avoid that happening.

    "What I'm trying to do here is get the guys to say they don't want to lose even one game," Morgan said.

    "Wellington has put a lot into this team. We have a marvellous team here."

    Asked if there was any possibility the team could become the New Zealand Phoenix, he said he would "resist that to the end".

    Surely we should be thrilled by what he is saying? Get over it people...
    bwtcf2012-01-24 14:17:42

    Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


    Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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    I am waivering I must admit.

    Allegedly

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Tegal wrote:
    That he was far too quick to threaten the fans with moving games.
     
    In which case, no, honestly, I don't see how that proves your point.
     
    I think it proves that doing so was part of a considered, wide ranging set of intitiatives. A set of initiatives that seems to be working.
     
    And it's possible, as I have said before, that he was just being deliberately provocative to stir up the debate and get people off their couches.
    bwtcf2012-01-24 14:18:20

    Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


    Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    bwtcf wrote:
    Tegal wrote:
    That he was far too quick to threaten the fans with moving games.
     
    In which case, no, honestly, I don't see how that proves your point.
     
    I think it proves that doing so was part of a considered, wide ranging set of intitiatives. A set of initiatives that seems to be working.
     
    And it's possible, as I have said before, that he was just being deliberately provocative to stir up the debate and get people off their couches.
     
    That article was more like it. I like it. The tweet wasn't very good, but he has since explained what he meant. I'm happy again.

    Allegedly

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    If you are happy chicken man, I am happy.
     
    It's a symbiotic relationship.
     
    You are my litmus paper.

    Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


    Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    This thread needs more Monty Python...

    Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

    "Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Jag wrote:
    This thread needs more Monty Python...


    He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy...."

    Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    One 'home' game away from Wellington. One regional round game. Perhaps even one Gold Coast home game in New Zealand.

    I'm hoping that only one of the 13 home games we get is outside Wellington, and then whatever else is in NZ will be great yip have outside Wellington

    Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    This thread threatens to overlaps with the Crowds thread but with regards whether Gareth has done it wrong - how would YOU have done it?

    The Club is bleeding money, and we all know how that ended last time. Want to go through that again?

    Gareth's has issued a challenge. He's hurtfully frank. But also refreshingly so. In doing so he's sparked discussion about how to get the crowds up such that games DON'T have to be shifted away.

    So pray tell me what YOU would have done in Gareth's position?ahmad2012-01-24 15:51:01

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    2 is fine, 3 is pushing it, 5 or more and id stop supporting the club
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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    threatD wrote:
    2 is fine, 3 is pushing it, 5 or more and id stop supporting the club
     
     
    It will never get to that amount as the novelty value will wear as thin in other places as it has here. Lets go on the road for 2 but start building a connection to the club for fickle kiwi sports fans.
     
    As covered endlessly here the factors for low attendance can be addressed by:
     
    Combating added costs on Match day, (food, beer, parking, transport, etc)
    Possibly lowering prices
    Better media relations,
    Better use of technology and advertising to raise awareness
    Increase traditional advertising for matches for comp noobs
    Better ticket packages or better awareness of packages that already exist.
    A big-name player
    More grass route connections with amateur/youth footy clubs
    Some sort of pre-match/half-time stuff that is actually interesting to watch.
     
    Erm cheerleaders for Junior
     
    (For those that can't be bothered going through all the posts).
     
    ForteanTimes2012-01-24 16:07:17

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    An easy win.
     
    STOP HAVING SO MANY SUNDAY GAMES
     
    Find a parent that wants to take their kid to a game on a Sunday when there is school the next day. Saturday is so much easier annd we don't tend to get many of them, or Friday ones....

    Grumpy old bastard alert

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Jeff Vader wrote:
    An easy win.
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    STOP HAVING SO MANY SUNDAY GAMES

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    Find a parent that wants to take their kid to a game on a Sunday when there is school the next day. Saturday is so much easier annd we don't tend to get many of them, or Friday ones....

    Wrong thread friend. Repost in the other as valid point.

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Jeff,I may be wrong,but I think actual attendance figures don't back you up there.

    Allegedly

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Not sure how much say the Nix would have in that either? Jag2012-01-24 16:12:43

    Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

    "Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    I reckon we must get our games due to FOXFOOTBALL hmmmm, Mel, I mean time zones.

    Friday night is a bad time as working hours in all of Australia. Why are we such a sitter for Sunday games at 4/5pm?

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Tegal wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Just curious, as an out-of-towner. People who say they'll give up their season membership, would you still go to all the games at the ROF?
     
     
    I can honestly say I don't know. More than 2 would piss me off. Whether I then take action over that I don't actually know.
    Same for me we will just have t wait and see.

    GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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    patrick478 wrote:
    One 'home' game away from Wellington. One regional round game. Perhaps even one Gold Coast home game in New Zealand.

    I'm hoping that only one of the 13 home games we get is outside Wellington, and then whatever else is in NZ will be great to have outside Wellington


    +1
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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    If the season ticket is priced accordingly ....I don't have a problem with 2 away home games and a regional round away-as long as the Nix get the money for all those home games.
    There's potentially the equivalent of 3-4  RoF games income per away home game possible in Auckland Christchurch and Dunedin, based on our current crowds here.


      Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    1 game is fine, its the closest most people get to having an away day. Just so long as its not Adelaide, we haven't seen them in Wellington since 2009.
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    Tegal wrote:


    I'm happy with 1. Unhappy with 2. Any more than 2 may be the tipping point for me.


    What would a tipping point entail? Would you simply not go to the away game or would you also not turn up to home games in protest.

    What would Yellow Fever members do if 5 or 6 games were taken away from Wellington?William2012-01-24 20:27:44
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    I'd travel more.

    Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


    Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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    I would support TW more.

    (they have sausage sizzles too, probably also bovril if I asked them)


    I would then post about Aussies killing OUR game and stealing OUR crowds. I would change my name to Yellow and Black Magic.

    "Phoenix till they lose"

    Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

    Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    3 games would be completely taking the piss IMO and I would be expecting a 'Wellington games only' season ticket to made available at a reduced cost if this was to be the case.

    Some sort of help for the Wellington fans to get to these games wouldn't go amiss either, i.e. A tie in with Air NZ for some sort of flight package plus a ticket etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Steve-O wrote:
    3 games would be completely taking the piss IMO and I would be expecting a 'Wellington games only' season ticket to made available at a reduced cost if this was to be the case.
     


    Just like what has happened in the past?
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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    I'd be happy to see three home games go elsewhere next season. I realize this isn't a popular view but Wellington crowds are poor and it's needed to make the club more financially viable.
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    2ndBest wrote:

    Steve-O wrote:
    3 games would be completely taking the piss IMO and I would be expecting a 'Wellington games only' season ticket to made available at a reduced cost if this was to be the case.
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    Just like what has happened in the past?


    I was not aware there was such a ticket as I thought we could use our ST to get into Eden Park for example?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    the overall cost of membership went down when they took games away.  Price per game stayed the same.

    So they threw in free tickets for the away game.
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    2ndBest wrote:
    the overall cost of membership went down when they took games away.� Price per game stayed the same. So they threw in free tickets for the away game.



    Fair enough. I do think Season Tickets are well priced incidentally. At the moment anyway.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    I always thought I was a cynic but Steve-O tops me everytime

    a.haak

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    about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    valeo wrote:
    I always thought I was a cynic but Steve-O tops me everytime


    Cynical for saying season tickets are well priced? If they take another game or two away and remain the same price they'll not be as well priced? Seems more factual than cynical but you prefer to be cynical about my posts...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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