Wellington Phoenix Men

if the nix travel across nz are you going to buy..

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Hard News wrote:
Yes, but none of those things pay Terry's bills.

If the council acknowledged that and organised a discount on stadium hire or, paid a dividend to the club for that then it's well and good. However, If someone in Christchuch says 'We'll take the risk, guarantee you this revenue and more if we beat our targets" versus the club making a loss on 8000 people here it's a common sense business decision to take the game away.

We have to remember Terry can't afford to just pay out year after year.
As i said earlier if in another thread. Terry may face short term cash issues regarding the Nix but his end of year financials will show the loss written of against his tax bill, and he will actually probably be getting a 0 tax bil or even a refund from the government if he is doing his sums right. UberGunner2010-02-08 09:36:24
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Agree totally UberGunner, especially the part about the make up of the 19,000 & the comparison with our Adelaide game in 2008 (Galaxy weekend). What really bothers me is our identity.  This is the first time I've actually had a professional football team to support "in person", "at home games", "in my town", "the town where I belong"......MY team! since I left my beloved Leeds in 1975. I waited 33 years and when the Phoenix came to town three years ago it was like being a 21 year old again.....I was reborn, and along with it came the sillyness of youth & the joy of having my own team to support.  Prior to that, when I watched the A-League I supported Melbourne Victory cos I liked their style and....................I like the city, great place. The knights/kings thing did nothing for me, they were an Auckland entity despite being labelled "New Zealand" and the fact they thought they represented you, me & the rest of us tuned me off them straight away.  Please, let's not go back there and while I'm at it let's give a thought to the Asia/Oceaia situation, making us a truly "New Zealand" team will not go down that well with Mohammed what his face in Asia & I'd like to support the Nix literally "Till I Die", not Till 2011.  I think I'd eventually like to see us in Asia, with another A-League team from ChCh in the mix.
Come on Terry, think about the football, the passion that you've brought to this city through the love of fooball.  Taking us on the road and "Nationalising" the team will diminish the parochial passion that comes with supporting a football team.
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Yea I still will.

However, games outside of Wellington are sort of like away games - surely we could mix it up a bit and get Gold Coast to play one of its home games in Auckland

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with 1-2 games on the road.  Just make it that the season pass is only for games at the Cake Tin, and lower the price accordingly.  If people in Chch and Auckland are willing to come out to support a Wellington team that is something worth celebrating IMO.
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They tried to make me go to auckland but i said no, no, no
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BeachBoy wrote:
  This is the first time I've actually had a professional football team to support "in person", "at home games", "in my town", "the town where I belong"......MY team! since I left my beloved Leeds in 1975. I waited 33 years and when the Phoenix came to town three years ago it was like being a 21 year old again.....I was reborn, and along with it came the sillyness of youth & the joy of having my own team to support.
 
 
I SO relate to that (not the Leeds bit).
 
Also noticed at one game a while back an older couple sporting his and her Preston North End shirts.   Very loyal - but hopefully they'll get his and her stripeys.
 
 
 
Junior822010-02-08 12:53:16

"Phoenix till they lose"

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UberGunner wrote:
why is everyone still taking the 19k crowd in CHCH as a repeatable target?
It was the opening of the Robbie Deans stand and a hell of a lot of people went for that reason alone, plus all the complementary tickets to everyone who helped build the thing, plus the number of travelling wellingtonians?
How many casual fans from CHCH actually paid for a ticket to watch the Nix? 19k was an aberration.
It would be like expecting the crowd from the Adelaide game the night before the Galaxy match to show up each week.
Delusional.
 
Also when you take the event away from the ROF you also take the extra revenue away from Wellington as whole, everyone who works at the stadium misses out, RYOS and the Nix store misss out, the Backbencher and the Four kings miss out, even the guy with his guitar and amp on the concourse misses out. accomodation from traveling supporters etc.
 
Wellington as a whole has really gotten behind the Phoenix and taking it away now that they are doing well really does feel like a slap in the face, almost like "thanks, but we dont need you anymore"
 
What he said and his follow up message later.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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I cant see for the life of me why playing all over the country will aid the Phoenix....THE WELLINGTON phoenix. There is no advantage to the team playing these games because if they want to win anything of note in the A league then pretty much being asked to play away games wont do it, and its ok to say it helps the phoenix brand  but bollocks to that, christchurch was a one off and as for Auckland well, they have had a couple of attempts and the crowds wer'nt exciting then,  so how about lets keep The WELLINGTON phoenix in wellington and try to build the fan base on an already staunch membership

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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Yes, of course. But I hope that in future, admission for non-Wellington home matches aren't included in the overall cost. It's poor form to have Wellingtonians pay for the matches they potentially can't attend - even the "renew early and get free admission to Palmy & Chch" we got this season isn't good enough IMHO.
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UberGunner wrote:
why is everyone still taking the 19k crowd in CHCH as a repeatable target?
It was the opening of the Robbie Deans stand and a hell of a lot of people went for that reason alone, plus all the complementary tickets to everyone who helped build the thing, plus the number of travelling wellingtonians?
How many casual fans from CHCH actually paid for a ticket to watch the Nix? 19k was an aberration.
 
 
Most people went for the football. Everyone was buzzing aboutt he football after it and not the bloody new ground. I heard so many "man we need more phoenix" compared to "man we need more openings of new stands"  
 
The new stand hasn't got alot to do with it considering a good 25000 already had passed through from opening. And from what i've heard there wasn't that many free tickets given out.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Someone needs to start a facebook group to keep Wellington Phoenix games in Wellington.
 
 
 
I refuse to join because I like a game down here


While I support the idea of keeping Wellington in Wellington I can't join that either.  It's great having one less game to spend a few hundred getting to and from Wellington for.
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Scottishbhoy wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
why is everyone still taking the 19k crowd in CHCH as a repeatable target?
It was the opening of the Robbie Deans stand and a hell of a lot of people went for that reason alone, plus all the complementary tickets to everyone who helped build the thing, plus the number of travelling wellingtonians?
How many casual fans from CHCH actually paid for a ticket to watch the Nix? 19k was an aberration.
 
 
Most people went for the football. Everyone was buzzing aboutt he football after it and not the bloody new ground. I heard so many "man we need more phoenix" compared to "man we need more openings of new stands"  
 
The new stand hasn't got alot to do with it considering a good 25000 already had passed through from opening. And from what i've heard there wasn't that many free tickets given out.


I can only assume people who say that huge numbers only went to see the stand just want to undermine how well Christchurch did.  I spoke to many people and not very few cared about the new stand and not one of them went mainly or solely for that reason.

And yeah, thousands saw it a few weeks earlier.
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Honestly talking about the new stand is clutching at straws. People who want to see it will wait until the sport of their choice, not whatever comes along first. I must admit though, I did pay for my mate to get in, other wise he'd never have bothered. 
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admit i haven't read the views in thethread  - but I'm tempted to say "no"
 
it would be a tough decision but I'm not impressed with this bullsh*t Harlem Globetrotter's approach to running a football club
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The general consensus, Tigers, is that one home/away game could be accepted (albeit under rather strict conditions from season ticket holders) but two games away would be a stretch. Even most out of towners on here seem to agree with this.
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cheers Timmym for the lazyweb on the thread
 
i've read almost all of the post now, and to your summary I'd add there's a fair proportion of the posts (many of them from pretty full-on fans) that say they/we feel a bit 'used' or 'let down' by the Nix management
 
as i have said, if Terry needs the dosh then perhaps fair enough - but it's not likely to build on the loyalty shown by folks who have spent the last 3 years:
 
* talking up the nix, at work, in pubs, even at bus stops, and online
*doing the fever friday thing, and
* staying  behind in all conditions to applaud the team off - even after a loss
 
i certainly don't feel as good about the club as i used to - despite our play-offs success
 
i know i'm just a 'consumer' now, i thought I'd be a fan - welcome to the modern world tigers
 
 
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I really don't think Tony understands he has a tiger(s) by the tail - he's smart, hopefully he'll figure it out before any real damage is done.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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I guess tigers will be feeling a bit like "fangs for nothing" at the moment.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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tigers wrote:
cheers Timmym for the lazyweb on the thread
 
i've read almost all of the post now, and to your summary I'd add there's a fair proportion of the posts (many of them from pretty full-on fans) that say they/we feel a bit 'used' or 'let down' by the Nix management
 
as i have said, if Terry needs the dosh then perhaps fair enough - but it's not likely to build on the loyalty shown by folks who have spent the last 3 years:
 
* talking up the nix, at work, in pubs, even at bus stops, and online
*doing the fever friday thing, and
* staying  behind in all conditions to applaud the team off - even after a loss
 
i certainly don't feel as good about the club as i used to - despite our play-offs success
 
i know i'm just a 'consumer' now, i thought I'd be a fan - welcome to the modern world tigers
 
 
What that man said. Some of us are also in the position where its not possible to travel to away games or "home away games".

Not sure  if my memory is failing me,but i seem to recall Terry saying that he was in it for the long haul and  knew all along it was going to cost money.Yet is it speculation or has it been said that these games are needed to balance the books.I could understand better if there had been some genuine attempts at marketing in Wellington.But has that really happened its seems many on here have been used as the marketing department to print off flyers and post them.Surely they should be making some real attempts at influencing there obvious market before attempting to expand it.

As for a season pass yes i will.However i will be well PO if more than one game is taken away and would expect more for my membership than a lousy $25 voucher.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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A new phase in the relationship?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Junior82 wrote:
A new phase in the relationship?
 
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TonyP has been on these forums alot today. Hope he is reading these threads.

Allegedly

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Well if he has he would see that 49/59 people will still buy a season ticket. He will also see that he will get a bigger crowd in CHCH. (even without giving away free kids tickets).
 
So enough bleating about what you want.  The CEO and the coach see the club as a national treasure, so should you.

I let my guitar speak for me

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true,never mind what the season ticket holders since day one want,lets go tour the country with no explanation to them  Tegal2010-02-10 23:28:20

Allegedly

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I suspect some of the people selecting no are probably lion.
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VimFuego wrote:
Well if he has he would see that 49/59 people will still buy a season ticket. He will also see that he will get a bigger crowd in CHCH. (even without giving away free kids tickets).
 
So enough bleating about what you want.  The CEO and the coach see the club as a national treasure, so should you.
 
So a drop in membership of 16% would be of no concern?
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Don't like it but will still always buy a season ticket for our own local football team (even if they take us for granted).  Having said that did enjoy the trip to CCch as had never been there before but won't be able to afford it/be prepared to make it a priority financially next year.  Playing in Auckland would be a joke and a guaranteed money loser to boot!  Go the Nix!
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Vim has a point. You guys should be proud that the WELLINGTON Phoenix are drawing such a following nationally, not berating it.
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timmymadden wrote:
Vim has a point. You guys should be proud that the WELLINGTON Phoenix are drawing such a following nationally, not berating it.
 
Who's berating the fact that people from outside of the Phoenix's catchment area want to support the club? I haven't seen any statements to that effect.
 
There is consternation that the Phoenix are apparently going to take games away from home.
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timmymadden wrote:
Vim has a point. You guys should be proud that the WELLINGTON Phoenix are drawing such a following nationally, not berating it.
 
Bullsh!t, nothing I've read has suggested even in the slightest that anyone here takes out-of-town support for granted, let alone berated it.
 
In fact, if anything, people having been pretty up-front about making that clear.
 
Like the fabled "big picture" Vims' "point" was equally full of sh!t...
 
Milky Pisswit2010-02-11 12:46:29
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timmymadden wrote:
Vim has a point. You guys should be proud that the WELLINGTON Phoenix are drawing such a following nationally, not berating it.
 
Bullsh!t, nothing I've read has suggested even in the slightest that anyone here takes out-of-town support for granted, let alone berated it.
 
In fact, if anything, people having been pretty up-front about making that clear.
 
Like the fabled "big picture" Vims' "point" was equally full of sh!t...
 
That's not what I was getting at. Tony/Terry have recognized the following the Phoenix have gathered and are taking advantage of that, which is just business sense. If you have a business in Wellington, regardless of what it is, if you have people from other places in the country interested in your product then you exploit it. Professional football is more than just football, it's business as well. If we were all totally honest we'd say we want the Phoenix to win no matter what, and if that means they play all home games at home then fine, I don't think out of towners will complain. (Although might I point out the Phoenix have never lost in Chch ) You're taking advantage of Tony S generosity and berating him trying to put a plus in his business (no matter which way you try and spin it).
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thats a shame,i thought id been following,supporting and putting money into a football club that has a bond with its fans...not a business. may have to reconsider my yes vote to a no if that actually is the attitude.

Allegedly

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Man, we're going round and round in circles so fast it's making my head spin...
 
Where do I get off?
 
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timmymadden wrote:
Vim has a point. You guys should be proud that the WELLINGTON Phoenix are drawing such a following nationally, not berating it.
 
Which one of you mofos has been berating me? Eh, come on. Who was it? Ballane, was it you? 
 
As for this thread:
 
 
 
 
 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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timmymadden wrote:
timmymadden wrote:
Vim has a point. You guys should be proud that the WELLINGTON Phoenix are drawing such a following nationally, not berating it.
 
Bullsh!t, nothing I've read has suggested even in the slightest that anyone here takes out-of-town support for granted, let alone berated it.
 
In fact, if anything, people having been pretty up-front about making that clear.
 
Like the fabled "big picture" Vims' "point" was equally full of sh!t...
 
That's not what I was getting at. Tony/Terry have recognized the following the Phoenix have gathered and are taking advantage of that, which is just business sense. If you have a business in Wellington, regardless of what it is, if you have people from other places in the country interested in your product then you exploit it. Professional football is more than just football, it's business as well. If we were all totally honest we'd say we want the Phoenix to win no matter what, and if that means they play all home games at home then fine, I don't think out of towners will complain. (Although might I point out the Phoenix have never lost in Chch ) You're taking advantage of Tony S generosity and berating him trying to put a plus in his business (no matter which way you try and spin it).
 
Ah, this explains your views completely. You think a football club should be run like a business? In other words not like a football club at all.
 
Football clubs represent, or purport to represent their community. That's why they play within their catchment area. It is why there is such a fuss kicked off in the rare instance of a club relocating, such as Wimbledon to Milton Keynes.
 
There are lots of ways that football and business are not alike. One is the loyalty of the members. A business treats you badly, you change to a new one. Football is not like that. The club that treats its fans like that soon falls into trouble. The other way that football and business are totally different is in what their trying to achieve. A business will want to put competitors out of business and achieve a monopoly. A football club that puts its competitors out of business goes out of business itself - no-one turns up to games if there are no opponents!
 
And who the hell is Tony S?
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SiNZ wrote:
  ........And who the hell is Tony S?
 
 
Superb. No relation to Terry P, is he?
 
You see, that's why the 'Nix have to get round the country, to spread the name of the Big Boss!!
Jag2010-02-11 13:45:31

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
timmymadden wrote:
Vim has a point. You guys should be proud that the WELLINGTON Phoenix are drawing such a following nationally, not berating it.
 
Which one of you mofos has been berating me? Eh, come on. Who was it? Ballane, was it you? 
 
As for this thread:
 
 
 
 
 
 
Buggar you mean i have missed a chance.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Sack Tony S
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SiNZ wrote:
.......And who the hell is Tony S?
 
You don't mess.......with Tony S!
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Now it's all making sense. Terry must have lost the Nix in game of cards or something. This new owner, Tony S, is the bastard behind the dastardly plan to move them away from Wellngton. Probably money laundering his Christchurch based ill-gotten gains.
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