Wellington Phoenix Men

if the nix travel across nz are you going to buy..

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SiNZ wrote:
Now it's all making sense. Terry must have lost the Nix in game of cards or something. This new owner, Tony S, is the bastard behind the dastardly plan to move them away from Wellngton. Probably money laundering his Christchurch based ill-gotten gains.

"I called you here, 'cause I got something to tell you. From now on, I'm gonna rely on you more and more, 'cause you're the only ones I can fully trust. Sil and Paulie and the guys in Wellington.... they're old friends, but you're one thing they're not..." 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Oops, smart pricks I was due back to work and in a bit of a rush.  As to the business side of things, just look at Portsmouth, they're out of money and only 7 days away from being dropped out of english football altogether, and they're a respected 112 year old club.
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yes but ive seen no indication that we are in such financial trouble as that. nowhere has it been even hinted that if we dont go on the road then the club will go bankrupt and cease to exist,except by you on this forum to backup your "football club is a business not a club" theory

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Really.  Last off season we were told how much the Phoenix was costing Terry.  Over Xmas John Mitchell got his name in the papers about people being paid late.

It doesn't take much reading between the lines to see it's difficult and requiring Terry to biff away a million dollars a year can't be the future of the club.

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well why cant they just come out and say its to make terry a bit of money back. instead of just doing it with no explanation and conflicting statements in the press. even so,2 games is a bit much in my opinion.

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I didn't say it's not a club. I said a club is more than just football.
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of course the club has to do what it can to survive. but you were talking about exploiting and making money as a business first and who cares what the fans want. all the kind of things a football fan hates to hear.

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[QUOTE=Tegal]of course the club has to do what it can to survive. but you were talking about exploiting and making money as a business first and who cares what the fans want. all the kind of things a football fan hates to hear. [/QUOTE

Wouldn't mind a couple of away/homegames a season( but please not Palmy again)
But at the end of the day I support a football team not a franchise!

The answer to life's problems are rarely found at the bottom of a beer glass - but it's always worth a look.

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Course I'm getting a season ticket. Enjoy being a travelling fan for the novelty, a change of scenery, no need for a passport and going to bars where they don't know you.
Two's enough though.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Hard News wrote:
Really.  Last off season we were told how much the Phoenix was costing Terry.  Over Xmas John Mitchell got his name in the papers about people being paid late.

It doesn't take much reading between the lines to see it's difficult and requiring Terry to biff away a million dollars a year can't be the future of the club.
Understand what your saying HN,i know its not good that Terry is having to kick in so much money.But Terry has said all along he expected to have to keep putting money in so i dont see whats changed recently for it to have become a problem.
As for the players being played late,it just means they join the others who have to deal with that practice all the time.

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ballane wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Really.  Last off season we were told how much the Phoenix was costing Terry.  Over Xmas John Mitchell got his name in the papers about people being paid late.

It doesn't take much reading between the lines to see it's difficult and requiring Terry to biff away a million dollars a year can't be the future of the club.
Understand what your saying HN,i know its not good that Terry is having to kick in so much money.But Terry has said all along he expected to have to keep putting money in so i dont see whats changed recently for it to have become a problem.
As for the players being played late,it just means they join the others who have to deal with that practice all the time.
 
News has the clues.
The 12 people who have so far voted no either
* need to go a find a communist country where everything is handed out and the real world doesn't matter or
* need to stop being so selfish and
* need to stop whinging and actually do something about it
Really, if you don't want the Nix to play in other ( and in Chch's case) more profitable venues, ( this I can understand) ffs do something about it. Whinging isn't it.
All of you owe Terry, so get off you wineing arses and get out there and promote and get the people to the game. Sometimes getting 6 or 7k to a game is a joke.
 
ballane: No one has said anythings changed but how long do you expect Terry to go backwards, you've had three years. Do not blame him for looking around at a market of 4 million.
As for your comment on the players being paid late, maybe you should try it, that is if you have a job.
auskiwi2010-02-12 09:47:31
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Hard News knows everything.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Tegal wrote:
well why cant they just come out and say its to make terry a bit of money back. instead of just doing it with no explanation and conflicting statements in the press. even so,2 games is a bit much in my opinion.
 
Do you need captain obvious to come knocking at your door?
Why the f should he have to say anything?
As for your whinge about "2 games is a bit much in my opinion". Maybe 10 odd games of negative profit is the real ' too much' part where theres a market of 4 million at his doorstep.
Stop whinging and do sometime about it ( without expecting a medal).
It's up to you and everyone else that lives there.
I will be mighty pissed off if you guys fcuk it up with your complaining hand out mentality.
Suprise me, for all I have seen in my time back in NZ is a country that used to be a leader now just halfarsed.
Fire up ffs.
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auskiwi wrote:
Tegal wrote:
well why cant they just come out and say its to make terry a bit of money back. instead of just doing it with no explanation and conflicting statements in the press. even so,2 games is a bit much in my opinion.
 
Do you need captain obvious to come knocking at your door?
Why the f should he have to say anything?
As for your whinge about "2 games is a bit much in my opinion". Maybe 10 odd games of negative profit is the real ' too much' part where theres a market of 4 million at his doorstep.
Stop whinging and do sometime about it ( without expecting a medal).
It's up to you and everyone else that lives there.
I will be mighty pissed off if you guys fcuk it up with your complaining hand out mentality.
Suprise me, for all I have seen in my time back in NZ is a country that used to be a leader now just halfarsed.
Fire up ffs.

Pretty flippant from someone not just out of the region, but out of the country.

The people on these forms, and the fans in this city, have arguably done just as much (if not more) to raise the profile, boost crowd numbers, drag mates along, spend money on merch, loyally support and attend home, away AND home/away games than the management and marketing departments of the club.
 
We have every right to question any decisions that take HOME games out of this city.
 
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Milky Pisswit2010-02-12 10:32:08
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if the purpose of taking games to different parts of the country is simply to expose NZ to football, then fair enough. 2 games a year seems ok to me.
BUT, if the 2 games turns into 3 next season, then 4 the season after, then 5 etc, thats no good. i think that is what many people are worried about. is it really just 2 games to show off the club to the country? and if so, i see no reason why not to continue supporting the local club by buying a season pass (if i still lived in wellington..)
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Really I don't think they'll start taking more games away, otherwise the season ticket would become totally worthless. I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been discussion of sign holding at the next (hopefully 2) 'Nix home games. Things like 'Don't take Wellington away' or some such, like auskiwi has a point, better showing management your effort that whining on here.
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Milky Pisswit wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
Tegal wrote:
well why cant they just come out and say its to make terry a bit of money back. instead of just doing it with no explanation and conflicting statements in the press. even so,2 games is a bit much in my opinion.
 
Do you need captain obvious to come knocking at your door?
Why the f should he have to say anything?
As for your whinge about "2 games is a bit much in my opinion". Maybe 10 odd games of negative profit is the real ' too much' part where theres a market of 4 million at his doorstep.
Stop whinging and do sometime about it ( without expecting a medal).
It's up to you and everyone else that lives there.
I will be mighty pissed off if you guys fcuk it up with your complaining hand out mentality.
Suprise me, for all I have seen in my time back in NZ is a country that used to be a leader now just halfarsed.
Fire up ffs.

Pretty flippant from someone not just out of the region, but out of the country.

The people on these forms, and the fans in this city, have arguably done just as much (if not more) to raise the profile, boost crowd numbers, drag mates along, spend money on merch, loyally support and attend home, away AND home/away games than the management and marketing departments of the club.
 
We have every right to question any decisions that take HOME games out of this city.
 
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i already travel to all the home games in wellington from wanganui so not at all keen to have to travel further and spend more to go to away/home games,i also bring people to most of the games with me.always try to get people i know in wellington and wanganui to get along to games as most people on this forum do.it is a bit rich of you to suggest we need to do more to attract people to games,people are not whinging as you suggest they are just putting forward their opinions which they are entitled to do, just because you do not agree with them does not give you the right to slag them off
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auskiwi wrote:
Tegal wrote:
well why cant they just come out and say its to make terry a bit of money back. instead of just doing it with no explanation and conflicting statements in the press. even so,2 games is a bit much in my opinion.
 
Do you need captain obvious to come knocking at your door?
Why the f should he have to say anything?
As for your whinge about "2 games is a bit much in my opinion". Maybe 10 odd games of negative profit is the real ' too much' part where theres a market of 4 million at his doorstep.
Stop whinging and do sometime about it ( without expecting a medal).
It's up to you and everyone else that lives there.
I will be mighty pissed off if you guys fcuk it up with your complaining hand out mentality.
Suprise me, for all I have seen in my time back in NZ is a country that used to be a leader now just halfarsed.
Fire up ffs.
 
He should hve to say something because there is a loyal fan base in Wellington which has been following the club since Day 1, a reasonable number of whom buy season tickets. In the short time they have been in existence, the Phoenix have created a local identity as a Wellington club and those supporters have gained a reputation in the A League. Irrespective of anything else, taking both of those points on board, I think it only reasonable that the Club should explain to those supporters why 'home' games are being moved to other cities.
 
So, you're advocating taking even more games out of Wellington then? To tap into this "4 million on his doorstep".
Jag2010-02-12 11:55:13

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Oh true,i forgot that us in wellington dont do anything to support the team and Terry. We're all selfish and deserve games to be taken away from us. Who the hell are you to say such things?

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1. Terry is losing money on the Nix. As a property developer times are probably not easy for him and it is more than reasonable for him to want to "manage" his loss on the Nix.
 
2. Terry legally owns the Nix company and brand. The supporters have a significant degree of emotional ownership of the Nix which manifests itself in the time, effort and $s supporters invest in the Nix.
 
3. The team is the Wellington Phoenix - the brand is the Wellington Phoenix - the brand values are the values of Wellington (absolutely positively Wellington), family values and location. Thinking you can grow the brand, when the brands values are so tied to Wellington, by taking games outside Wellington is flawed.
 
4. The Wellington Phoenix has no more responsibility to football outside Wellington than the Breakers and Warriors have to their respective sports outside Auckland. Developing football in NZ is the responsibility of the NZ FA.
 
5. Football development in NZ will benefit far more from the NZ FA and NZ FC working with the Nix to get the Nix youth team up and running than from the Nix playing a game or two a year outside Wellington. If the Nix were getting crowds of 30,000 per week then no games would ever be played outside Wellington so I conclude playing games outside Wellington is not primarily about developing football it is about $s.
 
6. Losing the advantage of playing at fortress RoF could cost the Nix competition points.
 
7. We are in a recession and, despite a great season this year, season ticket sales will be a challenge next year. Everything must be done to keep season ticket prices the same or only very marginally increased. This season we will have 11 games at the RoF. Next season we will have 15 "home" games.
 
After I have thought through all of the above I have come to the conclusion that I could be reluctantly live with one or, if push comes to shove, two home games away next season. This will leave me with 13 home games. This will put some $s in to Terry's pocket and keep season ticket prices down.
 
The key for me is how this is communicated. There is no shame in the club saying it is of financial benefit to the club to play one or two games away a year so they can continue to invest in bringing top players to Wellington. If I was the club I wouldn't be talking about the flaky (imho) notion of developing football in NZ because supporters will see the $ argument as a means to an end (viable club, better players etc) but the developing football argument undermines the clubs Wellington identity and developing football has no end - two games this year, three next year, four........
 
The communication, to date, has left a lot to be desired - the message needs to be carefully thought through in the context of many passionate fans who are incredibly protective of their Wellington Phoenix.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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The uncomfortable thing for me is 1/5 of the season's gate takings were at chch.  I know we were all there at 10:30 on a cold Weds night, or getting batterd & hypothermic on "Fury Friday" but that is a LOT of people.

Agree with Whitby Boy's main point - let us know the real reasons, affirm that there will be a limit of 1-2 matches (if that is the case, and say so if it is not), and hopefully listen to the fans and take on board advice like "not one of the last four games of the season" or "how about Wellington-games-only season tickets".

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RedGed wrote:
Course I'm getting a season ticket. Enjoy being a travelling fan for the novelty, a change of scenery, no need for a passport and going to bars where they don't know you.
Two's enough though.
 
I agree with this man.
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auskiwi wrote:
All of you owe Terry, so get off you wineing arses and get out there and promote and get the people to the game. Sometimes getting 6 or 7k to a game is a joke.
 
Bullsh*t. If the club want us to continue to buy season tickets, they can't come with the "you owe us, so stop whining" line. Really, you seem to be on a wind-up with most of your comments.
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SiNZ wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
All of you owe Terry, so get off you wineing arses and get out there and promote and get the people to the game. Sometimes getting 6 or 7k to a game is a joke.
 
Bullsh*t. If the club want us to continue to buy season tickets, they can't come with the "you owe us, so stop whining" line. Really, you seem to be on a wind-up with most of your comments.
Incorrect. Are you not aware of responsibility?
If you wanted out of the responsibility, maybe when he got the deal for Welly you should have written him a letter telling him your not prepared to except the responsibility of his investment in your town and your not really up for it. Did you?
Of course you owe him. Everyone in Welly does. Front up to it.
And yes its easy to wind up half arsed people who don't front up to responsibility.
Only solution is, get more bums on seats.
If you don't you can't complain.
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My bum has been on the seat since day one. Ive also bought a lot of other bums with me. So can i continue complaining now?

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[QUOTE=Milky Pisswit

Pretty flippant from someone not just out of the region, but out of the country.

The people on these forms, and the fans in this city, have arguably done just as much (if not more) to raise the profile, boost crowd numbers, drag mates along, spend money on merch, loyally support and attend home, away AND home/away games than the management and marketing departments of the club.
 
We have every right to question any decisions that take HOME games out of this city.
 
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Not so flippant as Ive payed my way with a donation larger than a season ticket. Though I'm not owed anything. 
I've stated the fever is the best thing the Nix have got, by a mile.
Your right the marketing department has to take some responsibilty too.
I think they should pay for the fever to tour anywere thay take the game in NZ as the promotion the fever gives the game is priceless.
But sadly if you've done all you can then its obviously not enough. Come up with more.
And sadly you can't rely on others, even the Nix 'marketing' dept.
You have to find a way to make it pay.
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Tegal wrote:
well why cant they just come out and say its to make terry a bit of money back. instead of just doing it with no explanation and conflicting statements in the press. even so,2 games is a bit much in my opinion.
 
Or perhaps Terry (after this season) look for business partners to buy into club to make his losses less?
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I think people are just taking offence at your telling us we're not trying etc. Most of us have gone to every game,shelled out a lot of money,encouraged others to come along who have then become season ticket holders themselves. So for you to turn around and say such thing,its no wonder people get worked up. Im quite sure most other A league clubs dont exactly make money either,but i dont see them becoming a circus?
 
Im just saying,some sort of proper communication and an attempt at some sort of cheap deal to get to wherever we are playing,would ease the pain a little. Because what we have got so far is pretty piss poor to be honest. And that feeling a little bit more distant from our wellington identity etc  is fair enough also i think.
 
Edit: ^^ is in response to auskiwis last post.
Tegal2010-02-12 14:38:10

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I thought about that too, would have to be someone still willing to take a substantial loss themselves though. 
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as soon as I win lotto, I'll give Terry a call  
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auskiwi wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
All of you owe Terry, so get off you wineing arses and get out there and promote and get the people to the game. Sometimes getting 6 or 7k to a game is a joke.
 
Bullsh*t. If the club want us to continue to buy season tickets, they can't come with the "you owe us, so stop whining" line. Really, you seem to be on a wind-up with most of your comments.
Incorrect. Are you not aware of responsibility?
If you wanted out of the responsibility, maybe when he got the deal for Welly you should have written him a letter telling him your not prepared to except the responsibility of his investment in your town and your not really up for it. Did you?
Of course you owe him. Everyone in Welly does. Front up to it.
And yes its easy to wind up half arsed people who don't front up to responsibility.
Only solution is, get more bums on seats.
If you don't you can't complain.
 
In this fantasy world of yours, what are these rules of responsibility? If you were head of PR, there would be no season ticket holders at all! And when you've finished with those drugs, pass them around.
 
 
 
 
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Tegal wrote:
I think people are just taking offence at your telling us we're not trying etc. Most of us have gone to every game,shelled out a lot of money,encouraged others to come along who have then become season ticket holders themselves. So for you to turn around and say such thing,its no wonder people get worked up. Im quite sure most other A league clubs dont exactly make money either,but i dont see them becoming a circus?
 
Im just saying,some sort of proper communication and an attempt at some sort of cheap deal to get to wherever we are playing,would ease the pain a little. Because what we have got so far is pretty piss poor to be honest. And that feeling a little bit more distant from our wellington identity etc  is fair enough also i think.
 
Edit: ^^ is in response to auskiwis last post.
I agree with 99% of this post, however the reason the other A-League sides don't have the travel options like the Nix have, is because the country they are in have another 8 teams in it, whereas the Phoenix have none. Would be different if Chch and (hopefully never again) Aucks had a team. Maybe the other sides might have a market in another big city in their state I'm not sure, not that well clued up on Australian geography.
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Fair call,I did think that as i was writing (RE: why dont other clubs travel too). But they do still have the option of taking a phoenix home game to ChCh for that 19k crowd $$$ booster do they not.

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Given that Darwin are trying to get a club (the plan is to join the S-League, apparently there is opposition from FFA but support from FFNT), you'd imagine that Aussie teams who adopted the "circus" approach would see that as a potential venue.
 
PS Don't tell the Nix about Darwin - at least not until after next season's fixtures are finalised!
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From memory (admittedly cloudy) the Pussy Cat fruits took a game up to Dairy Farmers in V1 or V2... a proper game, not pre-season... of course this was before the Furries were even a glint in whatsanames eye :p
E + R + O

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They do, and this is a proven way of doing it eg. Bulldogs playing against Warriors in Wellington a few years back. I guess travel costs would be a lot higher for them to do this than the 'Nix too though. Most importantly though... Only 3 hours until kickoff and Nix gain a home playoff
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Tonights attendance made Terry some money.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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