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Just START Rojas (now with added Kosta)

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ard Righ wrote:
I'd like to see Rojas stay another year, cement his place on the team sheet. Help us win the A-League, then consider his options.

I think Kosta was lucky with his move to Brisbane and the style of football they are playing suiting his natural speed.

But not all moves are always so lucky... the club-hopping of current All Whites in the UK shows that not all that smells are roses.


Perhaps, but do the AW's in the UK have his talent?
I don't think so.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Cosimo wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
I just went and had a hair cut and when I walked in people were talking about "that kid Rojas" and how exciting he was to watch.
 
I then went an bought some strawberries from New World Metro on Willis and three people in the line in front of me were saying that "they got goosebumps everytime he got the ball".

And they were talking about the Nix in the supermarket.
 
This is good.
 
They said stuff like that about Kosta when he played for us too...oh wait...
 
Bully for you.
 
They said good things about landing on the moon, and curing small-pox and the discovery of inhabital planets in other galaxies, and Shane Warne's first ball in Ashes cricket, and winning the apples case at the WTO and a million other things too.
 
So what?
 
As I said This is good. That is all. Not it is better than anything. Not it is the best thing ever. Just it is good.
 
Full stop.
 
And it is good.
 
You might want to argue whether Rojas is better than Kosta was, or is, or might be. I don't, I just want to enjoy what is going on now. I specifically didn't quote any of the thread-jacking rubbish that has been thrown back and forth for the last 3 or 4 pages, so don't quote me and drag my simple statement of good things happing into some boring arguement that should be in a thread of its own.
bwtcf2010-12-22 13:27:49

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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bwtcf wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
I just went and had a hair cut and when I walked in people were talking about "that kid Rojas" and how exciting he was to watch.
 
I then went an bought some strawberries from New World Metro on Willis and three people in the line in front of me were saying that "they got goosebumps everytime he got the ball".

And they were talking about the Nix in the supermarket.
 
This is good.
 
They said stuff like that about Kosta when he played for us too...oh wait...
 
Bully for you.
 
They said good things about landing on the moon, and curing small-pox and the discovery of inhabital planets in other galaxies, and Shane Warne's first ball in Ashes cricket, and winning the apples case at the WTO and a million other things too.
 
So what?
 
As I said This is good. That is all. Not it is better than anything. Not it is the best thing ever. Just it is good.
 
Full stop.
 
And it is good.
 
You might want to argue whether Rojas is better than Kosta was, or is, or might be. I don't, I just want to enjoy what is going on now. I specifically didn't quote any of the thread-jacking rubbish that has been thrown back and forth for the last 3 or 4 pages, so don't quote me and drag my simple statement of good things happing into some boring arguement that should be in a thread of its own.
 
So, basically what you're saying is that Kosta is better? I disagree...
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Grumpy old bastard alert

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playwithFire wrote:
yeah another couple of years would be good for everyone. think he'd be more suited to an Oar/ Leckie type transfer if he does get that good. Fingers crossed!

Would be great if a dutch team came in and signed both Marco and Kosta together as they did for Oar/Sarota/Zullo.

Or even give Ipswich a ring and get Tommy onto it haha


So this. I think European leagues, other than the UK, is where we should be looking at for our players. Especially the likes of Marco and Kosta. Czech, Norwegian, Dutch, French, German, Russian. Get our players in these leagues.
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Jeff Vader wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Erm, it's English - if you can't understand it, not my fault. What I'm basing this on is the fact that Kosta has always been a good player - here or at Brisbane. The difference? He has more appearances for Brisbane in one season that he's had in 3 years with the Phoenix. How many goals did he have in his first 10 games for the Roar? He was given continuity, and the club showed faith in him and allowed him to build confidence. Obviously Ange's style of play helps him, but do people really believe Kosta couldn't have done this for the Phoenix? Do people honestly believe that Kosta went from a guy who shouldn't start for the Phoenix to one of the key players and goalscorers for Brisbane in just a short few months, just because of Ange? You really believe this?


I do
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The Phoenix game has been by and large been built on the cross in from the flanks to a striker to score. We rarely come down through pinball alley and strike direct on. Why Kosta never worked or would never have worked is because he was played centrally and was also 5 nothing up against 6 ft guys. Is�he having to win aerial balls for the Roar? Nope. However thats how he was and I suspect would have been used here had he stayed.

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So no, he was not going to succeed in our game style and the best thing he ever did was move to a team that played him in the right place and the right style for him. You can say what you like about it but its all there on the replay.


So then you basically agree that his time here was mishandled?
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how many Kosta pages in this thread give it up already

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Nobody forcing you to read them
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came here to read about rojas sorry my bad

perhaps the backroom staff should change the thread title
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el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Erm, it's English - if you can't understand it, not my fault. What I'm basing this on is the fact that Kosta has always been a good player - here or at Brisbane. The difference? He has more appearances for Brisbane in one season that he's had in 3 years with the Phoenix. How many goals did he have in his first 10 games for the Roar? He was given continuity, and the club showed faith in him and allowed him to build confidence. Obviously Ange's style of play helps him, but do people really believe Kosta couldn't have done this for the Phoenix? Do people honestly believe that Kosta went from a guy who shouldn't start for the Phoenix to one of the key players and goalscorers for Brisbane in just a short few months, just because of Ange? You really believe this?


I do
 

The Phoenix game has been by and large been built on the cross in from the flanks to a striker to score. We rarely come down through pinball alley and strike direct on. Why Kosta never worked or would never have worked is because he was played centrally and was also 5 nothing up against 6 ft guys. Is he having to win aerial balls for the Roar? Nope. However thats how he was and I suspect would have been used here had he stayed.

 

So no, he was not going to succeed in our game style and the best thing he ever did was move to a team that played him in the right place and the right style for him. You can say what you like about it but its all there on the replay.


So then you basically agree that his time here was mishandled?
So what you're saying ir Ricki shouldve restructured the entire teams system to fit an (at the time) unproven young kids style of play?

Allegedly

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paulm wrote:

came here to read about rojas sorry my bad


perhaps the backroom staff should change the thread title


to.... ???


"a thread about how the thread has the wrong title"

or

"Just talk Rojas"

or "warning this thread might contain traces of Kosta"
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Kosta PARTY:
Where? This Thread!
All welcome! BYO Opinions
I like tautologies because I like them.
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I'VE BOOKED A DJ...
 
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Erm, it's English - if you can't understand it, not my fault. What I'm basing this on is the fact that Kosta has always been a good player - here or at Brisbane. The difference? He has more appearances for Brisbane in one season that he's had in 3 years with the Phoenix. How many goals did he have in his first 10 games for the Roar? He was given continuity, and the club showed faith in him and allowed him to build confidence. Obviously Ange's style of play helps him, but do people really believe Kosta couldn't have done this for the Phoenix? Do people honestly believe that Kosta went from a guy who shouldn't start for the Phoenix to one of the key players and goalscorers for Brisbane in just a short few months, just because of Ange? You really believe this?


I do
 

The Phoenix game has been by and large been built on the cross in from the flanks to a striker to score. We rarely come down through pinball alley and strike direct on. Why Kosta never worked or would never have worked is because he was played centrally and was also 5 nothing up against 6 ft guys. Is he having to win aerial balls for the Roar? Nope. However thats how he was and I suspect would have been used here had he stayed.

 

So no, he was not going to succeed in our game style and the best thing he ever did was move to a team that played him in the right place and the right style for him. You can say what you like about it but its all there on the replay.


So then you basically agree that his time here was mishandled?
So what you're saying ir Ricki shouldve restructured the entire teams system to fit an (at the time) unproven young kids style of play?


In that case, so was Kwasnik's time, seeing as he has scored 8 goals now, one less then Kosta. Perhaps Ricki should have changed the style to fit around him also.

LOL,  If we had kept them both,  we could be 17 goals better off and in the black with our goal difference.   
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hepatitis wrote:
Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Erm, it's English - if you can't understand it, not my fault. What I'm basing this on is the fact that Kosta has always been a good player - here or at Brisbane. The difference? He has more appearances for Brisbane in one season that he's had in 3 years with the Phoenix. How many goals did he have in his first 10 games for the Roar? He was given continuity, and the club showed faith in him and allowed him to build confidence. Obviously Ange's style of play helps him, but do people really believe Kosta couldn't have done this for the Phoenix? Do people honestly believe that Kosta went from a guy who shouldn't start for the Phoenix to one of the key players and goalscorers for Brisbane in just a short few months, just because of Ange? You really believe this?


I do
 

The Phoenix game has been by and large been built on the cross in from the flanks to a striker to score. We rarely come down through pinball alley and strike direct on. Why Kosta never worked or would never have worked is because he was played centrally and was also 5 nothing up against 6 ft guys. Is he having to win aerial balls for the Roar? Nope. However thats how he was and I suspect would have been used here had he stayed.

 

So no, he was not going to succeed in our game style and the best thing he ever did was move to a team that played him in the right place and the right style for him. You can say what you like about it but its all there on the replay.


So then you basically agree that his time here was mishandled?
So what you're saying ir Ricki shouldve restructured the entire teams system to fit an (at the time) unproven young kids style of play?


In that case, so was Kwasnik's time, seeing as he has scored 8 goals now, one less then Kosta. Perhaps Ricki should have changed the style to fit around him also.

LOL,  If we had kept them both,  we could be 17 goals better off and in the black with our goal difference.   
snap  - I was about to post the same thing. Post it in the Kosta thread to wind up Boxey

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hepatitis wrote:
In that case, so was Kwasnik's time, seeing as he has scored 8 goals now, one less then Kosta. Perhaps Ricki should have changed the style to fit around him also.LOL,� If we had kept them both,� we could be 17 goals better off and in the black with our goal difference.� �


Nah but but but Kwasnik was different, Ricki should have made the team play both styles at the same time, imagine Kosta and Kwasnik playing up front!!! Sack him.

Such a retarded argument.
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ScoobyD wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
In that case, so was Kwasnik's time, seeing as he has scored 8 goals now, one less then Kosta. Perhaps Ricki should have changed the style to fit around him also.LOL,  If we had kept them both,  we could be 17 goals better off and in the black with our goal difference.   


Nah but but but Kwasnik was different, Ricki should have made the team play both styles at the same time, imagine Kosta and Kwasnik playing up front!!! Sack him.

Such a retarded argument.


I would be happy playing with any style other than boot it long and hope Ifill or now Rojas can produce something out of nothing....
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MrWaikato wrote:
I would be happy playing with any style other than boot it long and hope Ifill or now Rojas can produce something out of nothing....


But... we didn't play like that against the Jest. I remember lots of short triangle passing in midfield before it got out to the wingers. The Jest were the ones playing Route One.

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
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when us plebs go off topic we're often immediately warned by the 'backroom staff' yet when one of their own is getting all precious with his rubbish little off-topic argument nothing is said whatsoever
 
 
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paulm wrote:
when us plebs go off topic we're often immediately warned by the 'backroom staff' yet when one of their own is getting all precious with his rubbish little off-topic argument nothing is said whatsoever
 
 
SACK BOXEY

Founder

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to be fair i almost always enjoy reading banter involving el grapadura and the otherpeople that make this website happen so please dont ban me for my previous comment :)
 
And to float further off-topic, perhaps a poll for 'favourite backroom staffer' would be a funny thread if it hasnt been done before?
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stay on topic please

Founder

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lost a vote there


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paulm wrote:
to be fair i almost always enjoy reading banter involving el grapadura and the otherpeople that make this website happen so please dont ban me for my previous comment :)
 
And to float further off-topic, perhaps a poll for 'favourite backroom staffer' would be a funny thread if it hasnt been done before?
 
 
Tigers. ftw     

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Hard News wrote:
Jag wrote:
 
Tigers. ftw     


Ban.
 
 
 
 
You know I love you, News. (in a manly, ruggedly heterosexual, non biblical sense kind of way. Obviously!)
Jag2010-12-23 12:21:20

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Erm, it's English - if you can't understand it, not my fault. What I'm basing this on is the fact that Kosta has always been a good player - here or at Brisbane. The difference? He has more appearances for Brisbane in one season that he's had in 3 years with the Phoenix. How many goals did he have in his first 10 games for the Roar? He was given continuity, and the club showed faith in him and allowed him to build confidence. Obviously Ange's style of play helps him, but do people really believe Kosta couldn't have done this for the Phoenix? Do people honestly believe that Kosta went from a guy who shouldn't start for the Phoenix to one of the key players and goalscorers for Brisbane in just a short few months, just because of Ange? You really believe this?


I do
�

The Phoenix game has been by and large been built on the cross in from the flanks to a striker to score. We rarely come down through pinball alley and strike direct on. Why Kosta never worked or would never have worked is because he was played centrally and was also 5 nothing up against 6 ft guys. Is�he having to win aerial balls for the Roar? Nope. However thats how he was and I suspect would have been used here had he stayed.

�

So no, he was not going to succeed in our game style and the best thing he ever did was move to a team that played him in the right place and the right style for him. You can say what you like about it but its all there on the replay.
So then you basically agree that his time here was mishandled?


So what you're saying ir Ricki shouldve restructured the entire teams system to fit an (at the time) unproven young kids style of play?


No. What I'm saying is that a lot of players worse than Kosta have played in the system which apparently doesn't 'suit' him (which at its heart is a bollocks argument, since good players will remain good players regardless of the system they play in, and it's up to the manager/coach to get the best out of them). And they've had a lot more chances to 'fit in' into this 'system' than Kosta had.

The point remains - the club mishandled this situation. Either they didn't recognise the talent, or they failed to get the best out of it. Whichever way you look at it, it's a big fail on the part of the club. And please note that I never said anything about Kwasnik. But of course bringing that randomly in is indicative of the level of debate on this forum these days, which had in fact led me to leave the forum for a few weeks. I thought I'd give it another chance, but since I see the amount of stoopid on here and its frightening growth rate, clearly there's no point in bothering.

So with this post I'm officially retiring from here. Hope you all have a wonderful time patting yourselves on the back, I've got better things to do.
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I blame feverish.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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i agree with everything grapadura said.
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Marco has a facebook fan club, Kosta does not. Nuff said.
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Can the Mods please put a filter onto the fourm that changes Marco to Marko?
 
Might help the Kosta fans get over the fact that he has left us and gone on to bigger things!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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good article on the a-league site about Marco

http://www.a-league.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=37728

"What his performances will have done is make opposition players scrutinise him more closely, but again the livewire midfielder, who is equally comfortable playing off both feet, is unperturbed.

"I suppose they know a little bit more about me than what they did before but my game is always going to be the same," he said. "I've got plenty of different tricks that I can use and one-on-one it's not going to change too much."

Ultimately the ambition is to play for New Zealand.

"Everyone dreams of playing for their country. Hopefully I'll get to go to a World Cup and do that as well," he said.

The main priority at the moment though, remains getting the Phoenix, currently seventh, into the finals.

As for life outside of football and away from his family in Hamilton, Rojas is settling into that too.

He has friends studying in Wellington he catches up with and his cooking skills have improved enormously.

"I've actually cooked a good chicken fettuccine. I had a look on the internet and saw the recipe and thought it can't be that hard. It's probably the best meal I've cooked," he said."
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Life lessons I have learnt from Heavy Metal #1:

In many ways this discussion reminds me of the Metallica/Dave Mustaine situation.

Mustaine was/is a supremely talented guitarist and one could say that Metallica should have tried much harder to help him "fit in" to the group and get through any issues that he had before they kicked him out. Mustaine clearly felt very let down by the band and carried the burden of his rejection from Metallica for many many years.

Of course, Mustaine's talent was not to be denied and he went on to form Megadeth who became very successful in their own right. In fact, his rejection from Metallica become very much a driving force in his career (the parallels here with Kosta and the Brisbane Roar are pretty obvious).

Metallica, for their part, recruited another supremely gifted guitarist in Kirk Hammett (Marco Rojas in this analogy) and also went on to massive success - ultimately even greater success than Megadeth.

Hopefully the story will unfold in the same way for the Phoenix and Marco Rojas, while we also continue to admire Kosta's talents from a distance.

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Nice analogy. Although I'm slightly concerned if we are Metallica. Does that mean we have 3 or 4 good seasons then everything after that is sh*te?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Erm, it's English - if you can't understand it, not my fault. What I'm basing this on is the fact that Kosta has always been a good player - here or at Brisbane. The difference? He has more appearances for Brisbane in one season that he's had in 3 years with the Phoenix. How many goals did he have in his first 10 games for the Roar? He was given continuity, and the club showed faith in him and allowed him to build confidence. Obviously Ange's style of play helps him, but do people really believe Kosta couldn't have done this for the Phoenix? Do people honestly believe that Kosta went from a guy who shouldn't start for the Phoenix to one of the key players and goalscorers for Brisbane in just a short few months, just because of Ange? You really believe this?


I do
�

The Phoenix game has been by and large been built on the cross in from the flanks to a striker to score. We rarely come down through pinball alley and strike direct on. Why Kosta never worked or would never have worked is because he was played centrally and was also 5 nothing up against 6 ft guys. Is�he having to win aerial balls for the Roar? Nope. However thats how he was and I suspect would have been used here had he stayed.

�

So no, he was not going to succeed in our game style and the best thing he ever did was move to a team that played him in the right place and the right style for him. You can say what you like about it but its all there on the replay.
So then you basically agree that his time here was mishandled?


So what you're saying ir Ricki shouldve restructured the entire teams system to fit an (at the time) unproven young kids style of play?


No. What I'm saying is that a lot of players worse than Kosta have played in the system which apparently doesn't 'suit' him (which at its heart is a bollocks argument, since good players will remain good players regardless of the system they play in, and it's up to the manager/coach to get the best out of them). And they've had a lot more chances to 'fit in' into this 'system' than Kosta had.

The point remains - the club mishandled this situation. Either they didn't recognise the talent, or they failed to get the best out of it. Whichever way you look at it, it's a big fail on the part of the club. And please note that I never said anything about Kwasnik. But of course bringing that randomly in is indicative of the level of debate on this forum these days, which had in fact led me to leave the forum for a few weeks. I thought I'd give it another chance, but since I see the amount of stoopid on here and its frightening growth rate, clearly there's no point in bothering.

So with this post I'm officially retiring from here. Hope you all have a wonderful time patting yourselves on the back, I've got better things to do.


Wow, talk about throwing your toys.

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terminator_x wrote:
Life lessons I have learnt from Heavy Metal #1:In many ways this discussion reminds me of the Metallica/Dave Mustaine situation.Mustaine was/is a supremely talented guitarist and one could say that Metallica should have tried much harder to help him "fit in" to the group and get through any issues that he had before they kicked him out. Mustaine clearly felt very let down by the band and carried the burden of his rejection from Metallica for many many years.Of course, Mustaine's talent was not to be denied and he went on to form Megadeth who became very successful in their own right. In fact, his rejection from Metallica become very much a driving force in his career (the parallels here with Kosta and the Brisbane Roar are pretty obvious).Metallica, for their part, recruited another supremely gifted guitarist in Kirk Hammett (Marco Rojas in this analogy) and also went on to massive success - ultimately even greater success than Megadeth. Hopefully the story will unfold in the same way for the Phoenix and Marco Rojas, while we also continue to admire Kosta's talents from a distance.


Hold on a minute - which one was Kwasnik?

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Jag wrote:
Nice analogy. Although I'm slightly concerned if we are Metallica. Does that mean we have 3 or 4 good seasons then everything after that is sh*te?


Nah, it just means we have 3 or 4 seasons where we win the league playing beautiful football, and the rest of the time we still win the league, it just isn't so beautiful. Either way we are number f**king one!

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el grapadura wrote:
So with this post I'm officially retiring from here. Hope you all have a wonderful time patting yourselves on the back, I've got better things to do.
 
el grapadura = whooooooo's dad
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el grapadura wrote:


The point remains - the club mishandled this situation. Either they didn't recognise the talent, or they failed to get the best out of it. Whichever way you look at it, it's a big fail on the part of the club. And please note that I never said anything about Kwasnik. But of course bringing that randomly in is indicative of the level of debate on this forum these days, which had in fact led me to leave the forum for a few weeks. I thought I'd give it another chance, but since I see the amount of stoopid on here and its frightening growth rate, clearly there's no point in bothering.

So with this post I'm officially retiring from here. Hope you all have a wonderful time patting yourselves on the back, I've got better things to do.


Noted that you didnt mention Kwasnik, but actually it is ok to add other examples into discussions. Been a lot more stoopid than that on here.  Shame you are going

The club didnt get the best out of Kosta  last year/ Kosta didnt shine in the club last year, a year in which we were successful in the league though. Now he has gone and is doing well at another club. It happens.
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