Keeper Angst V1.08

Put it this way. According to you,if Paston had played for upper hutt city vs Manchester united and conceded 50 goals,while Crowther had played on the weekend and conceded 4...that makes Crowther 12 times a better keeper than Paston. Im not disagreeing with you,im just lol'ing at your way of trying to prove it statisticallyTegal2009-11-30 23:31:01

No but these statistics are taken by players in the same league so the standard against them is the same. ManU and Brisbane have a huge gap between them. Brisbane and CCM do not.

Sigh,i knew you would make me do work. So for now ill settle with...If van der sar (or insert some other world class keepers name here) had played for us on the weekend (as a guest player for the week) and conceded 4 would you say Paston was the better keeper? Tegal2009-11-30 23:38:05

I know what you mean but that would be a one off game and Van Der Sar would not concede 4. He just wouldn't in that game. Maybe 1 or 2.

I did not use this example in earlier seasons, Paston conceded less goals in less games but lets not start that up again...

Haha had Van der sar conceded 2,he would on average be a worse keeper than Paston according to you with 2 goals a game and 0 points won

Back that up.. I'd be interested. He is clearly the best keeper for us but seriously your stats are pretty ridiculous. It doesn't take into account who we played, or how many goals we scored in those games, as well as saves made and shots on target etc. Just plenty of things that make them unreliable.

Stats mean far less in football compared to in other sports (say cricket).

There could be any reason for the above.  We could have played with 4 blind defenders when Crowther conceded but that type of stat wouldn't reveal it.

Having said all that, I shall continue to use stats when they suit me.

I could not care less if I cop a ban for this.

wellyphoenixfan, on behalf of all goalkeepers, you are a f**king idiot.

Without wanting to go too deep back into stats land, I cut the numbers as follows:

With Paston in goal (12 data points), WPX get 53% of their maximum points, with a margin of error of 14%.
With Crowther in goal (4 data points), WPX get 33% of their maximum points, with a margin of error of 24%.

There is some probability that you're right, but it's not clear-cut.

(edit:  This kind of thing is why statisticians don't have to say silly things about hypothetical one-match stints by Casillas and the like.)
Stripes2009-12-01 00:41:03

Can we please not go down this road again...

There are 10-9 other players who should not have put any keeper under this pressure. Where are all the threads about the other performances.

    THE KEEPER IS THE LEAST RESPONSIBLE!

Some light hearted relief courtesy of Chant Legend Jess Korey-Slow:

Needs more Bannatyne!!!

Superb.

Will have to do a rendition of it on Friday night if Paston's playing.

Wow, no-ones ever called me a true keeper before

 

Yes Paston is better. Obviously. But dont blame soley crowther for goals conceded. His defence on Sunday was atrocious

Because Paston organises...erm, I'll stop there.

Two of Crowther's games were away against Sydney, that's not easy and he wasn't too bad in one of them.
No good last game, but who was?

Thread got better when it changed to sundaes

Crap thread.

He's the reserve keeper ffs. He's not supposed to be awesome.

Those sundaes looked great.  The beer was going down very well for a Sunday at 9pm.  Working weekends'll do it to you though.

Sundae 

I think in the A-League it doesn't matter who you play as all teams have the possiblity to put quite a few goals against you. Our defence has practically been the same all season except when McKain slotted in but he doesn't drop the level there. This comparison wouldn't work between keepers at different clubs as the defenders are different, midfielders are different etc. At the Phoenix it is relatively them same.

My point is goals conceded is the best stat you can use to justify how good a keeper is. I know there are plenty of reasons why or why not a keeper conceded the amount of goals they did but both keepers face relatively the same circumstances so I think it is a fair comparison. Of course you have to have a bigger sample than one game.

u could also that crowther conceded 7 of his goals against sydney and brisbane. two of our worst performances as a team collectivly

For those saying how as a whole we were useless, that is correct.  But Crowther was probably the worst of a bad bunch.  Slipping on the way out to shutting down the angle against van Dick.  I know slippages happen but why must he slip at that crucial time?  Why not on his way off the field.  That'd be a laugh at least.

The (fourth?) goal, the one that went through his legs he should have ran out to narrow the angle.  Instead he stood there, looking like a jerk.  Maybe he was worried that if he ran out Dodd could cut it back to someone who could knock it in, but we all know Dodd is useless so that's a fail as far as I'm concerned.

I'm gonna put it out there that that he isn't as bad as people seem to be trying to prove. First goal- good reflex save, but average parry. take a top keeper to have held it though.

Goal 1 - soft had to try to hold that
Goal 2 - aim to make yourself big he managed with the slip to be as small as possible, unfortunate but co-ordination does seem to be a problem with him
Goal 3 - Should have clear sight of shot and that was his side to cover, never even got near it
Goal 4 - totally exposed by defence

Should he be happy with that display? No Should you expect better from a back-up keeper? Yes

Not beating up on him he was simply poor, not alone on that score though.

Hes got all the physical features but he just seems dumb.
He looks really unco and whats up with the stuff(i think its tape)around his ankles and wrists.looks wierd.

I think he just isn't very Photogenic myself.

The free kick annoyed me because the commentators had a big ole wank over it when from that angle if you don't hit the side netting it should be a save.

hes sure got a boot on him though. Hoofs it further than paston. Doesnt make up for his other problems though. Neil young at newcastle looks ok and might get the boot when kennedy comes back?

Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks and more bollocks. f**k me, what a load of bollocks.

Ben Foster playing for Watford during the 2006/2007 season, Watford come 20th in the English Premier League and get relegated, yet Ben Foster wins both the Fans' and Club Player of the Year Award.
DKP222009-12-01 20:38:37

Hmmm... goals conceded is the best stat?

Another one of WPF's stupid statements.

What do you mean both keepers face the same circumstances?
If you mean that they both stay in their goal box and wear gloves. you are right.

Back up all the statements you made in that.

Epic fail.  Football is not a sport where stats can explain performance/quality.  Cricket and baseball yes.  But Football.  Not a chance.

Please delete that out of your initial comment before WPF reads that as I do suspect he will try to back all his statements up and that will enrage me so.

Good point, but it will bring lolz for me at work tomorrow when I am bored.